In post 342, Heartless wrote:OK, so did you unvote Jingle because you think he's likely to flip town or because you can't lynch him? Because you kind of just said both.
Because I can't lynch him, although I believe he's scum.
Because I knew that Jingle was less likely to be scum due to the flash-wagon
, and if it didn't succeed, I figured I'd have no reason to vote anymore, due to it being a hopeless cause?
It's while I believe he's scum, the fact that if a wagon occurs too fast, it's usually built by scum against town. I want to believe he's scum even though the math says he's town.
In post 375, lufan131 wrote:
It's while I believe he's scum, the fact that if a wagon occurs too fast, it's usually built by scum against town. I want to believe he's scum even though the math says he's town.
Alright, so I get your confusion I guess. But basically you need to come to one of two conclusions.
1. Your initial read on Jingle is correct, and he is scum, and stand by that.
2. Jingle is town based on odds, and therefore at least one scum is on his wagon.
Note that I'm not saying either of these conclusions are correct, just that they are the possible conclusions from your current train of thought, based on what you've said in this post.
I've pasted the relevant vote count below. Tell us, who on the Jingle wagon do you believe to be scum?
In this case, I think Flames is likely to be scum, although someone else pushed the wagon earlier who then left it. I think they're scum, although their name has slipped my head.
Heartless is town unless scum were told we're "good guy" aligned
d3x is town because he was the first to hit the nail on the head wrt the Jingle wagon. The point I felt more-damning on his case wasn't that he inherently agreed scum were called "Dark Coalition", it's that he assumed town had access to that knowledge when only select few did. His "didn't read my PM" defense reeks of scum backtracking.
RD gave me mad town-vibes but I don't remember why exactly.
RIP's play is pretty scummy (his push on Jingle 180'd into a weird defense and it doesn't sit right with me) but his claim is genuine enough (compulsive-directed meeseeks and miller/bodyguard lincler is pretty accurate as far as flavor), and flavor aside lynching bodyguards D1 is just bad form.
Elbirn's massclaiming opinion vs. rolefishing thing = yuck.
Don't like how the Jingle wagon fell off. There's the bit about the DC but it also bothers me how quickly he came to assume Heartless wasn't scum.
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
Ohey! KJ is here!
You've given some town-vibes, how about some scum-feels?
(Yes, I'm mostly asking because you fucked me hard last time we met )
Who's your biggest scum read atm?
Also, I'm here, with a beer, and ready to read back.
Once I've read things I will Iso as necessary and likely vote someone who's scummy AF. Just don't know who that will be yet.
Not fond of MMWW, but willing to give KJ a chance. Scratching MMWW's oddness and starting at a null read. As I say though, would like some scum reads from you.
Jingle and Rip should at least live the day. I see no reson they should die atm.
Heartless is town reading to me. I like this slot.
Everyone else deserves a hard look-at Imo. Will see what I can do in my limited time here.
Flames seems scummy. Only has tyalked about jingle and Rip. What are your thoughts on other players?
Why should we lynch Jingle today and Rip tomorrow? Please expand on tiis thought.
You really seem like you're just trying to look active without ding anything.
Yakko, you criticize Rip for a lack of analysis, but you yourself have none. What are your reads? Your vote is still on MMWW/KJ. Do they strike you as scum and why? Given that you mainly had supposed hydra dissonance for your read on them, does this still stand with Kj in play?
VOTE: Lufan
I mean, you have a crappy reason both for the vote and the unvote on Jingle. Your every post feels forced and your question about bussing feels faked.
Also, I see more posts, but less content, than a lot of the people here. I could easily see scum in this spot.
Elbrin seems okay Imo, decent posting, questioning, overall better than a lot of ppl here.
Bye, I don't get your read of the Jingle/Heartless interactions mentioned in 182. Care to elaborate as to why Jingle is scum from it?
Also, I dislike your "It's D1, fuck it" attitude that has come out as a defense. Seems like you ran out of defenses and it was as good a reason as any.
Maniez feels like he's been faking the unsuredness in order to look town, but maybe is just low on his reading. His posts sure contain tittle that is of help.
It seems a lot of people really need to post more in this game.
I know how shitty that is, coming from myself, but I mean, clearly some people are leading the thoughts, some are confused by this, and some are just sheeping. I'm sure there's possible scum in all 3, but let's go for the latter two first, as they can be harder to catch sometimes, especially if left too long.
I HAD a town read on Meds. Now I'm second guessing that read.
Let me ask you KJ, how do you in one breath call d3x town for 'hitting the nail on the head' with Jingle, saying Jingle's defense "reeks of scum backtracking", then in the next breath call RIPs play scummy as well? Do you think they are both scum or...?
I like Arist's catch-up post. Reads as genuine.
In post 393, Aristophanes wrote:Bye, I don't get your read of the Jingle/Heartless interactions mentioned in 182. Care to elaborate as to why Jingle is scum from it?
Also, I dislike your "It's D1, fuck it" attitude that has come out as a defense. Seems like you ran out of defenses and it was as good a reason as any.
I did elaborate on it in p185. Rainbow's p188 made me rethink and reread without tunnel vision goggles on. As for my D1 attitude, that's me so...sorry?
As for your Lufan vote, well, it's not awful. It does hinge on Jingle being town though which even though I'm not so cock-sure he's scum that slipped, I'm not sold he's town by any stretch.
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
#37
Logic: Jingle knew about DC -> Jingle is scum #196
Logic: Jingle knew about DC -> Jingle is town PR because RIP's PM also mentions DC (also rolefishing)
I don't like the manner in which RIP completely flipped his perspective on Jingle, being provoked only by the speed of which the Jingle wagon took flight. It reads like "I think he's scum (initial) BUT I don't think he should be lynched (flip) BUT I want him to claim anyway so I can 'clear' him".
What's so difficult to understand about that? It has nothing to do with d3x.
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
If those videos are any indication. Isn't posting images and just silly stuff while u are being wagoned, the same as giving up?
It is called lolcats in other sites and it's a scum trait
Pedit:
Jester: it occurred to me after checking my role again, what if jingle is a Pr like me?
He's posting got better and I started to have seconds thoughts.
I didn't want to put my role or talk about it as it would out his.
If VT got no mention of Dc then it's normal to think that only Pt got then or scum.
To me it reads as he is more likely town.
@lufan. Prove us wrong, who should be lunch instead?
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