Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[Glass]

Because what you said in regards to voting me and post 1698 and 1700.

Basically you went from yea he scum slipped to well maybe not let's check.

In regards to post 1698/1700:
If RC scumslipped, then scum knows who the angel is anyways so there is no harm in having the angel claim.
If RC didn't scumslip, I doubt he's scum, and in which case I would rather not lynch him.

So if the angel claims and says "I killed AA", I would be very happy lynching RC. The problem is that we can't go with "Angel, claim if you shot AA" since then if the angel doesn't claim then the scum know that they roleblocked the angel last night, and hence will know who the angel is.

Basically your comment is RC didn't scum slip because farside said X.
That is defending RC to push on me.

I never said RC didn't scumslip.

Also, I think maybe if just the people with sin voted it might be a better idea so some people may still be able to go to heaven, but people probably won't cooperate

No, spreading the sin out is better. Having more people in heaven will probably not give us any more power, and having too much concentrated sin could be a huge problem.

[Sakura Hana]

Pretty sure RC is town.

Why?

Also, I think maybe if just the people with sin voted it might be a better idea so some people may still be able to go to heaven, but people probably won't cooperate

No, this is a terrible idea, it'll make it easier for scum to fill the sin gauge.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

The scumslip thing only makes sense if Angel killed AA9, and I really don't see how/why angel would have killed AA9. The more likely theory is that AA9's self hammer attempt was so convincingly town that team scum decided they had to kill her.

Therefore, Angel was roleblocked, might as well claim.
RC I'm sorry I doubted you bae

[Sakura Hana]

I really don't see how/why angel would have killed AA9.

And that's exactly why RC's scumslipping because the logical conclusion would be to assume that AA9 was a scum skill, yet the first thing he sees is... that Angel killed AA9?

[Elbirn]

But if he were scum, he would know that scum killed AA9.

[lalaladucks]

So individual players garner multiple sin?
Huh.
I thought once you had sin, that was it.
Oops.
Okay, yeah it should be spread out then.
Ignore the comment I made previously about sin!

[Glass]

...
What Elbirn?

[Elbirn]

Going with the assumption that AA9 was a scumkill, which I believe to be the case

[Sakura Hana]

But if he were scum, he would know that scum killed AA9.

Thing is, why, would you assume, that Angel killed AA9? Only logical explanation is because he knows that's what happened.
Look at my post again and how they assumed muffin was the scum kill, but now another globally townread player dies and he assumes it was Angel kill? it still sounds like Bollocks to me.

[lalaladucks]

Wwwhaatt???
Why do you think RC is town?

His reads are on point, he's

actively

scumhunting. His motivations appear to be town-driven.
He's really towny guys. I don't even get all these wagons this game.

[Sakura Hana]

Also I'm starting to grow suspicious of everyone going "If the angel claims they shot AA9 then sure we will lynch RC" sounds like scum planning to sacrifice RC for the sake of figuring out who the Angel is...

[lalaladucks]

Can we flashlynch that scum lufan by any chance?

[Elbirn]

*Rubs temples*

This is confusing.

Scenario 1: Scum kills AA9, Roleblocks Angel

Scneario 2: Angel kills AA9, Scum targets Angel

If I'm not mistaken, these are the possibilities. I don't see scenario 2 happening, because AA9 was practically conftown yesterday, Angel killing AA9 doesn't make ANY sense. So scenario 1 happened. But if scenario 1 happened then RC didn't scumslip.

[Elbirn]

Also I'm starting to grow suspicious of everyone going "If the angel claims they shot AA9 then sure we will lynch RC" sounds like scum planning to sacrifice RC for the sake of figuring out who the Angel is...

But if my conclusion is correct, they already know who Angel is.

[Sakura Hana]

Or they no killed, saw the AA9 kill and are trying to get the angel to out themselves.

[lalaladucks]

I don't want an Angel claim but tbh their kill/s weren't very good

Also people who've 'slipped' that they aren't the Angel could've done this on purpose so as to be read as not the Angel.

[Glass]

Also I'm starting to grow suspicious of everyone going "If the angel claims they shot AA9 then sure we will lynch RC" sounds like scum planning to sacrifice RC for the sake of figuring out who the Angel is...

That doesn't make sense, though. If RC scumslipped, scum know who the angel is.

[lalaladucks]

RC, it looks like we're alone on this one
Shaking my head.
Just lynch lufan.
Really.

[farside22]

Because what you said in regards to voting me and post 1698 and 1700.

Basically you went from yea he scum slipped to well maybe not let's check.

In regards to post 1698/1700:
If RC scumslipped, then scum knows who the angel is anyways so there is no harm in having the angel claim.
If RC didn't scumslip, I doubt he's scum, and in which case I would rather not lynch him.

So if the angel claims and says "I killed AA", I would be very happy lynching RC. The problem is that we can't go with "Angel, claim if you shot AA" since then if the angel doesn't claim then the scum know that they roleblocked the angel last night, and hence will know who the angel is.

Basically your comment is RC didn't scum slip because farside said X.
That is defending RC to push on me.

I never said RC didn't scumslip.

Also, I think maybe if just the people with sin voted it might be a better idea so some people may still be able to go to heaven, but people probably won't cooperate

No, spreading the sin out is better. Having more people in heaven will probably not give us any more power, and having too much concentrated sin could be a huge problem.

Yea this post clear has you defending RC.
Thanks for proving me correct.

But if he were scum, he would know that scum killed AA9.

Let's use facts for a moment.

I need a computer before my phone dies but bare with me I just need 10 min

[lalaladucks]

Just lynch lufan.

All our troubles will fly away in the wind~~~~~

[Glass]

Yea this post clear has you defending RC.
Thanks for proving me correct.

Farside: Your past posts are defending RC!
Glass: Not really, heres why... -insert logic-
Farside: T-that post just proves it!

Soz grapes, will do detailed reads tomorrow after Chem oral but just a quick overview of how I'm reading people atm:
Townies
lalaladucks
ArcAngel
Sakura Hana Banana
Gaiden
RedCoyote
Equinox
dunno
Katsuki
farside
grapes
Albert of Albuquerque
Elbirn
Cho
Demonies
lufan
massive
Glass

Hey Lala, what changed in your reads?

[lalaladucks]

Hey Glass,

Here you go

Townies

lalaladucks
Sakura
Gaiden
Red Coyote
Equinox
Elbirn

Null

farside idek

Pool of Possible Demonies

Glass
grapes
Albert
Cho
massive
lufan

[lalaladucks]

I'd appreciate if others could do readslists like this if possible? Might be a good way to organise ourselves.

[farside22]

Sorry it took longer then expected. I had a sudden emergency to attend.

I'm a little upset right now so I'm just going to quote RC and ask why he responds as though he knows for fact the angel shot AA.

Wow.

So I guess Kat completely pulled the strings on that one... even from beyond the grave. You know, I dislike Kat's play this game, but the onus of that shot really falls on the angel for not standing up to Kat. I laid out the rationale for AA9 town about as clearly as I could possibly have done. I do not understand that shot at all, and I'm very disheartened with it. I'm guessing it's just someone that either hasn't been paying much attention to the game or let themselves completely be controlled by Kat. The same Kat that has been voting AA9 since page 1, post 17.

I'm guessing it's someone that read Kat as town and AA9 as scum... but, wow. I'm really shellshocked how anyone was still taking Kat seriously this far along into the game. I'm not going to vote until we get a claim. I think I know who is might be, but I was thinking he would've been better able to ignore Kat's nonsense. Well, I guess I'll just come right out and call it as Gaiden because I want the credit for calling it before he claims.

[Elbirn]

Null

farside idek

Look at this
Look at how disgusting this is