Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[lalaladucks]

Care to contribute any readslist of your own rather than calling my one nullread disgusting?
No?
How about you keep your comments to yourself then.

[RedCoyote]

Time for one more post because I'm watching boxing tonight. SH, as I said earlier, as scum, there's no way I'd shoot AA9. I also assumed Kat influenced this kill. It doesn't make sense to me that, one, the scum aren't trying to find the angel, and two, Kat had zero influence on the angel's kill.

That being said, I admit that was a bad post. I should've kept that in my head. I'm known for getting excited and talking to fast sometimes... and people take advantage of that.

Lalala, I dunno, I messed up. Thanks for having the courage to stick up for me, though. <3

[Elbirn]

Care to contribute any readslist of your own rather than calling my one nullread disgusting?
No?
How about you keep your comments to yourself then.

Oh wow, that. That overdefensive reaction to me pointing out how gross it was for you to put one of your partners in your null reads.
Also, what is 1475. Oh, yes, my reads list. How'd that get there.

VOTE: Lalaladucks

[farside22]

Yea this post clear has you defending RC.
Thanks for proving me correct.

Farside: Your past posts are defending RC!
Glass: Not really, heres why... -insert logic-
Farside: T-that post just proves it!

Soz grapes, will do detailed reads tomorrow after Chem oral but just a quick overview of how I'm reading people atm:
Townies
lalaladucks
ArcAngel
Sakura Hana Banana
Gaiden
RedCoyote
Equinox
dunno
Katsuki
farside
grapes
Albert of Albuquerque
Elbirn
Cho
Demonies
lufan
massive
Glass

Hey Lala, what changed in your reads?

I used that quote because it's clearly what you implied when you voted me in the first place.
It's defending RC.
You think RC slipped or you think I did.
You quickly accused me of some slip instead because of thinking of possible outcomes.

However you have RC clearly saying the angel killed AA over the mafia.
Only way he could be that fucking sure is if
1) he is the angel which is call bs right now
2) he's scum that knows scum didn't kill AA.

Explain how it's not otherwise.

[farside22]

I'm discussed that people continue to call me scum whenever called then scum and after seeing a slip find ways off the RC wagon.

Fasinating

[farside22]

God that post was awful.
One day post preview.
I am disgusted by people that call me scum, those I've called scum for sometime. Suddenly after seeing RC slip, find ways off the wagon.

[lalaladucks]

Care to contribute any readslist of your own rather than calling my one nullread disgusting?
No?
How about you keep your comments to yourself then.

Oh wow, that. That overdefensive reaction to me pointing out how gross it was for you to put one of your partners in your null reads.
Also, what is 1475. Oh, yes, my reads list. How'd that get there.

VOTE: Lalaladucks

Oh, I didn't realise that your reads wouldn't change at all in 300 posts.
Thanks for the vote, looks nice on my resume!

[Glass]

However you have RC clearly saying the angel killed AA over the mafia.
Only way he could be that fucking sure is if
1) he is the angel which is call bs right now
2) he's scum that knows scum didn't kill AA.

Explain how it's not otherwise.

It's possible that RC legitimately believes that the angel shot AA, and he believes everyone would come to the same conclusion as him. I don't think that's likely, so unlikely that I would be willing to lynch him, however (this is important):

If RC slipped, then scum know who the angel is.
I think it's likely that RC slipped, hence I am calling for an angel claim to say if they shot AA. If the angel says they shot AA, then we lynch RC. This is not a problem since scum will already know who the angel is.
If the angel comes out and says that they did not shoot AA, it is fairly obvious that RC's post was NOT a scumslip, and we should NOT lynch RC. This is not a problem since that means the angel was RB'd, and is probably going to be RB'd every night until the scum see a second kill go through (which would never happen).

Until that time comes, I'm happy pushing for a lynch on you.

[lalaladucks]

Lalala, I dunno, I messed up. Thanks for having the courage to stick up for me, though. <3

Of course!
This town makes me sad

[Glass]

By the "this is a not a problem", I mean in reference to the angel claiming.

[farside22]

However you have RC clearly saying the angel killed AA over the mafia.
Only way he could be that fucking sure is if
1) he is the angel which is call bs right now
2) he's scum that knows scum didn't kill AA.

Explain how it's not otherwise.

It's possible that RC legitimately believes that the angel shot AA, and he believes everyone would come to the same conclusion as him. I don't think that's likely, so unlikely that I would be willing to lynch him, however (this is important):

If RC slipped, then scum know who the angel is.
I think it's likely that RC slipped, hence I am calling for an angel claim to say if they shot AA. If the angel says they shot AA, then we lynch RC. This is not a problem since scum will already know who the angel is.
If the angel comes out and says that they did not shoot AA, it is fairly obvious that RC's post was NOT a scumslip, and we should NOT lynch RC. This is not a problem since that means the angel was RB'd, and is probably going to be RB'd every night until the scum see a second kill go through (which would never happen).

Until that time comes, I'm happy pushing for a lynch on you.

Why would RC think someone he called confirm town would be shot by the angel over scum?

[Elbirn]

Care to contribute any readslist of your own rather than calling my one nullread disgusting?
No?
How about you keep your comments to yourself then.

Oh wow, that. That overdefensive reaction to me pointing out how gross it was for you to put one of your partners in your null reads.
Also, what is 1475. Oh, yes, my reads list. How'd that get there.

VOTE: Lalaladucks

Oh, I didn't realise that your reads wouldn't change at all in 300 posts.
Thanks for the vote, looks nice on my resume!

That reads list came at the end of the last day phase. We are not even 24 real life hours into this day phase. All that's really changed is Angel and Katsuki are dead now.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm feeling less and less happy about Glass, and Elbirn as well.
I'm thinking the possible scenario last night ocurred:
Angel killed AA9
Scum didn't submit a kill.
Scum RC overreacts to the AA9 kill made by the Angel, since he knows it wasn't caused by scum, their plan on no killing was to out the Angel, but his overreaction is screwing that up and is getting him lynched.
So RC's scum partners come to try to save the day and say that they wont lynch him until the Angel confirms it's a scumslip by claiming.
Seems like the perfect plan to continue the plan on outing the Angel.
So no, my vote's not moving, and I don't think the Angel should claim.

In hindsight, i'd be more suspicious about the person who brought the "Angel should claim theory" first, the other could be a townie that thought it could be a good idea, but idr who did that first and i don't have time to check atm.

[Glass]

@SH
thoughts on post 1700?

[massive]

OK, you all put in five pages and so far no one has said "Angel has had an entire day with muffin and Tere and I don't care HOW MUCH Katsuki shouted, the idea of the angel listening to just him is dumb as a box of rocks."

Now continuing my read.

[massive]

Also the angel fishing and open speculating rubs me the wrong way.

Didn't we all just agree that the scum most likely know who the angel is? Why is this still scummy?

Don't mass claim just yet please.

So ... are you not reading the thread? Or are you expecting something interesting from all of us shouting "I'm a vanilla townie"?

I wish I could post music note emoji so it looks like I'm singing when I

vote lalaladucks

[lalaladucks]

lol massive you're either scum or town with absolutely no idea

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: farside

[lalaladucks]

Albert don't you think lufan is scum?
I guess farside could be but I haven't been completely convinced, whereas lufan is obvscum...

[Sakura Hana]

@SH
thoughts on post 1700?

Hmm, maybe.
I'll think it over while i sleep.

[lalaladucks]

I have a theory. Could be completely wrong, but eh.

ArcAngel was calling massive scum scum scum.
massive finally had enough and kill kill killed her?

Not sure about the Angel kill then.
Could've been RB'd I guess.

[grapes]

Angel claiming should be their prerogative. Just my 2 cents on that.

Um, where's Equinox at?

I squinted pretty hard at RC's post to open the day and still didn't see a scumslip. I mean maybe if you stretch it, twist it, push it and pull it and make about 5 assumptions then maybe,

maybe

you could ship it as a scumslip. Otherwise, quit pushing that shit.

I mean the only kinda scummy thing he did was take credit for his AA9 read but to be fair he poured his soul into getting people off of her yesterday with possibly the only convincing meta read I've ever read so even that's meh.

It's also not even that big a stretch to assume the Angel shot Angel. (Although assumptions are bad anyway mkay why don't we drop the NK spec bullshit and scumhunt plz)

1) Scums winrate drastically falls with AA9 out of the game if she's town. There are legitimate studies done backing this up.
2) I've never seen a scumslip in all my years playing mafia that actually came from scum anyway. More often than not it's town not giving a fuck about what they're saying.
3) There's like 2 or 3 people saying that it could/could not be a scumslip based on how the night kills actually fell last night.

Tryna have your cake AND EAT IT TOO HUH?

Tryna push this mislynch based on a 'lolscumslip' and when RC flips town ya'll can be like well yea cuz I said it was only a scumslip IF...yada yada yada.

Sup Glass. Looking at you baby. Having fun this game? Laying low as fuck all game and then hit the ground running today basing all your pushes on NK spec bullshit that holds no fucking weight whatsoever? I see you.

Sup Elbirn. Looking kinda lost bro. Where's your head at?

Sup Farside. Having fun side lining your vote the whole game? Pushing your own stuff making unique cases. Then you come out of the woodwork and sheep glass who you've not spoken about the whole game and then when get called into question you bite back with 'lolstopdefending rc.' HI THERE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

Sup lufan. Are there any wagons you

won't ride

? Serious question.

I could do like

lufan(maybe)/glass(yes)/elbirn(meh)/farside(possibly)

today

Also albert FUCK YOU for hammering while I was reading yesterday. That's just bad manners.

VOTE: glass

[lalaladucks]

grapes is awesome.
better than cherries I must admit.
grapes is in the town fruit basket now.

Since no-one wants lufan lynched even though there are many excellent reasons to lynch lufan (deep sigh) I'll go with grapes.

VOTE: glass

Tere was onto you.
Finally someone else is too

[lufan131]

Any wagons I won't ride? I won't ride ones that fly, and am not too fond of rollercoaster cars. Oh, and a wagon on myself I don't feel like voting on.

[grapes]

Any wagons I won't ride? I won't ride ones that fly, and am not too fond of rollercoaster cars. Oh, and a wagon on myself I don't feel like voting on.

Why so snarky?