Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[shos]

The only reason ceph is scumread is that many people announced suspicion on him and nobody voted. Same can be said about you+other reasons. So on these - wisdom should be voting you, not ceph.

Id like wisdoms response to this now, not your.

[Wisdom]

The only reason ceph is scumread is that many people announced suspicion on him and nobody voted.

That's just an observation that makes me more confident, not the main reason. The main reason is ceph's posts.

[Wisdom]

Which I already answered in 2831 but you're ignoring me, showing once more your scum colors.

[shos]

Except that's not the only reason. The simplest reason is he has done absolutely nothing town. Every other player has done things that I can call town. Ceph? Nothing.

Dude. You saynothing here.

Give me a single post by celh and tell me why it is scum. Saying "his posts" means nothing, because im not going to iso him simply because you said so. Ceph is a long ago townread of mine, so I am inclined to listen to what you and others have to say. But nobody actually tells me where to look.

[Cephrir]

Things I neglected to include before:

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here
-notty is also town for his understated conflict with mastin re: shos
-Grey's night action makes sense with what he was doing yesterday & his frustration with getting an innocent reads well

I might start reading now?

[Wisdom]

Ceph is a long ago townread of mine

Yet you've still not told me why he is town

[Wisdom]

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here

You're a much stronger scumread than any of the others, so I don't care whether you're here or not

[Cephrir]

Just reread the start of D2, because you clearly missed the main important event today.

Care to summarize?

The posts that led Shos to ask me to remind him about the start of D2 already WERE a summary. Just read my "today" iso and you'll get it.

Basically T-Bone claimed null-track on Cephrir and Eddie=Wisdom in a way that implied otherwise on Cephrir at first, but was not inconsistent with null-tracks. There's slight weirdness on treating Cephrir and Eddie asymmetrically given identical results, but he justified it by Cephrir's higher activity level.

I got this track as the result of another players ability. I did not track Eddie/Wisdom, that was a different action.

What? I hope this gets cleared up. Why wouldn't you just fucking say this?

I am intrinsically wary of greyice because I believe he could easily fake an aggressive hypertown persona, but man, he's so town right now and he's only been in the game for a page. (I am on page 87)

[shos]

Ceph is a long ago townread of mine

Yet you've still not told me why he is town

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here

You're a much stronger scumread than any of the others, so I don't care whether you're here or not

Look, this is my interpretation of the situation:
1. me
A long time ago I had a townread on Ceph (at least 30 pages ago, it seems).
I have not seen anything scummy done by Ceph.
-->ergo, I am not willing to lynch him.
-->this does not mean I am still townreading ceph hard. this read faded away, I do not remember why it was there. BUT, trusting myself, I make the math of "previously townread"+"not scummy"="not for lynch".

2. you
you attack ceph like an eye-covered bull, but don't ever say why
you say that this scumread is stronger by far than any of the other scumreads of yours (e.g. me)

...
So no Wisdom, I don't see how this works. You need to explain to me why I should vote cephrir based on HIS POSTS. you don't make association tells without flipped scum. saying "his posts" is not nearly enough. direct me somewhere.

[Wisdom]

I can't be bothered to do that. His posts are just not town. I got that feeling when I was catching up. Won't go back there.

[shos]

So how do you expect me to follow you? :/

and then you go call me scum for "not changing my reads".

[Magua]

GreyICE has not picked up his prod. His team has been notified.

Vote Count 3.13

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (3): GreyICE, notscience, TierShift
Cephrir (2): Wisdom, xRECKONERx
GreyICE (1): shos
Iecerint (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (2): Cephrir, Iecerint

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-	0
GreyICE	-	0
Iecerint	-	0
notscience	-	0
shos	-	0
T-Bone	-	0
TierShift	-	0
Wisdom	-	-1,000,000
xRECKONERx	-	1,000,000

[xRECKONERx]

guys do we really think that Ceph's team would create fake reads for him to follow with actual reasoning behind them? Because him posting Brian's thoughts seems town to me.

[Wisdom]

Nothing town about that

[Wisdom]

But I very much dislike how once again you're preparing to get away from voting Ceph.

[xRECKONERx]

*shrug*

My team absolutely 100% would not be giving me fake read advice if I was scum, they'd be giving me strategic tips on who to go after or push

[Wisdom]

Or you know, that was just fake and didn't come from Brian

[shos]

So how do you expect me to follow you? :/

and then you go call me scum for "not changing my reads".

wisdom.? comment?

and that is null reck - he may be inventing, or he may be passing thoughts, as both scum or town.

[xRECKONERx]

Or you know, that was just fake and didn't come from Brian

I doubt he faked it that easily, pulling post numbers and all that shit

[Wisdom]

You shouldn't follow me, you should realize Ceph is scum on your own because he simply isn't town. But you don't do that, you just tunnel on the same people and you don't reconsider no matter what happens.

[Cephrir]

You're right Wis, because every time I read Shos I remember that he accused me of faking my v/la and low activity for an advantage and purposely trying to get Copper modkilled, both under handed tactics that have no business on this site, and using those accusations to justify a scumread. So yeah I'm pretty pissed.

This reads like something scum would get upset about.

Anyway. Tbone claimed that they went nowhere. From this we got they have no PR, ergo they are town, because PRless scum wouldmake the kill. But roleblock doesnt mean anything at all. That is kinda misleading, or rather, a fakeclaim changed in the middle?

I personally inferred track and made that conclusion; he corrected me multiple times to indicate that it was actually just that that person hadn't made the kill, and I kept re-explaining.

So he tried to clear up my confusion on that point, consistent with always having something other than "tracker" in his head.

Yeah, I guess.

likely. But I can see an entire scumteam missing the claim, thinking it was not a truthful claim or believing it was not a complete claim.

I can too. I also missed it FWIW.

I am totally not sure Cephrir is town. He's certain given no reason for anyone to think it.

I just like to err on the side of assuming night actions gave useful information when I'm not sure.

You really seem to like throwing mud at me and I'm starting to dislike it.

ok. LLD is town because of her replace out which you apparently weren't even aware of. Stop voting her.

You are not very good at reasons.

Are we massclaiming?

This is a thing that someone who really wants to claim says, and that bleeds through. However - Grey, why did you want to claim so badly today?

I have no idae how it even happened, frankly.

Vote Count 2.26 - Final

Cabd (6): xRECKONERx,

notscience,

Cephrir, Iecerint, GreyICE, shos

Whyyyyyy are you town....

*headdesk*

Okay, tell Mastin to go eat a Pine then get back here with some real reads if you're going to do this stuff.

As softs go, this isn't very soft, so see last comment.

shos is town, tbone is scum, so is Reck.

Ceph is scum, see how everyone is scumreading him yet avoids voting him like the plague. He has also done nothing town, his posts look townish on the surface but that's all. He has done absolutely nothing.

If by everyone you mean mostly Reck, who is probably scum, like yeah sure. If you want to assume my scumbuddy Reck is that stupid, be my guest, but it's not particularly fair to him. He could easily have voted hypothetical scumbuddy me yesterday without putting me in any danger.

For those playing at home I blocked Rhinox. Who is dead. Hooray for me. I picked him because he has been an under the radar player in my opinion and would be perfect to be the one committing the scumkills if town.

Your night action choices defy sense, logic and also literally everything ever.

Wait for other players so they can drown out the fact that Grey outted himself as scum. Got it.

I find it very difficult to believe you could possibly think this is something that's actually happening.

[Cephrir]

Holy shit, people actually think I made that post up?

You're dumb. Obviously, even if I am scum, those were not muy words, there is zero reason to think that. I've heard of confbias but that is ridiculous.

[Cephrir]

Things I neglected to include before:

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here
-notty is also town for his understated conflict with mastin re: shos
-Grey's night action makes sense with what he was doing yesterday & his frustration with getting an innocent reads well

I might start reading now?

Like, please, someone tell me why I would make up waking up today to posts from Brian saying "hey you forgot this."

[Cephrir]

I suppose I made up things like "[note from later]" too

Get fucking real.

[Wisdom]

Maybe Brian made it up for you then because you were V/LA - it doesn't matter anyway. It's null and Reck trying to argue otherwise while continuing voting you is ridiculous.