In post 524, Rainbowdash wrote:Also KJ while having a dumb role is probably town if its true, otherwise its game breaking for scum if used right. Think going into a five alive two scum scenario all they have to do is claim the partner is going to be lynched, they take a dive and that leave a F3 where KJ has two votes. I could absolutely live with him getting targeted by role cop though
In post 524, Rainbowdash wrote:Also KJ while having a dumb role is probably town if its true, otherwise its game breaking for scum if used right. Think going into a five alive two scum scenario all they have to do is claim the partner is going to be lynched, they take a dive and that leave a F3 where KJ has two votes. I could absolutely live with him getting targeted by role cop though
who said anything about kj getting two votes?
For some reason I thought I saw that. Either way, it seems a little broken for that to be a scum role since best play would likely be to keep claiming a partner dies and then benefit when that happens.
In post 524, Rainbowdash wrote:Also KJ while having a dumb role is probably town if its true, otherwise its game breaking for scum if used right. Think going into a five alive two scum scenario all they have to do is claim the partner is going to be lynched, they take a dive and that leave a F3 where KJ has two votes. I could absolutely live with him getting targeted by role cop though
who said anything about kj getting two votes?
For some reason I thought I saw that. Either way, it seems a little broken for that to be a scum role since best play would likely be to keep claiming a partner dies and then benefit when that happens.
lolwat? how the hell is that broken?
in order for it to be broken you have to assume that whatever the ability is is something like a kill or extra vote or something super swingy
Can we wait until Aristophanes claims before we discuss balance issues? Seriously. Dude has not claimed yet, let's not discuss what makes a claim good or bad right now.
I am against massclaim because it's D1, because it is shitty to the mod, and because I enjoy gameplay more than game solving.
Why are we pushing this so?
I have a really swingy role.
I'm town, but can "vanillaize" people at night.
Meaning I take away their powers, making them useless.
Meaning lots of PRs.
(I'd like solid scum reads before using it really though)
So morty is scum but Elbirn can function as a Morty cop, his weird rolefishing earlier makes perfect sense now. RD is most likely town as his controller hasn't claimed. Still very comfortable with Heartless and d3x as town. Aristophanes' claim doesn't make 100% sense flavorwise but neither do a few others and unless he improved his scumplay a LOT since Taylor Upick I'm leaning slight town on him.
Don't care much for the other 7 at the moment. Only seriously considering a Yakko/Jingle lynch today.
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
like my vote on Aristophanes. I went and took a peek at Taylor Swift Mafia and I really don't know what huge distinction you're seeing, killerjester, or why I should particularly care about it. I consider his role borderline negative utility anyway.
So, whoever Morty is, he's confscum. I could have seen getting a Morty claim today, believing it because what scum would out themselves on purpose, deciding that the "evil morty" hint in the role pm was a false trail, and then having a neighbor for the rest of the game. That didn't happen. So, I get a two shot chance to figure out who Morty is, and Kthx is a 1 shot name cop. That's 3 attempts at outing Morty.
I can't think of a single reason why Jerry would be a negative utility inventor, but that would make perfect sense for a role for Mr. Needful. Who, being Satan, would obviously be scum. Couple that with the etc. etc. on lynching him earlier today, and I think that's a good lynch.
Yakko's claim sucks too, particularly since he lied about being weak watcher when he was motion detector.
Mainez, I can't think of a reason why Summer would be a jailkeeper. I can't think of a reason why Summer would be a role here because jesus she's boring.
I think we need to pick one of these 3 to lynch, and one of the other two to be my morty target. And I think, honestly, that kthx should use his name target on RIP. If he is in fact Lincler, would anyone else believe his claim? Because if his name is actually Lincler I would believe that he's a miller bodyguard honestly.
Aris doesn't scumhunt when he's scum.
Like at all.
He'll run around acting clueless, and primarily respond to points that others have made - essentially looking busy while not doing much of anything. I could cite examples but I'm too lazy right now if you iso him in TSwift Upick you'll see what I mean.
This game is a complete shift. He's not exactly the cornucopia of content, but from what I do see he's actually playing the game and deriving reads on his own.
I mean sure I nailed him to the fucking wall in TSwift but it doesn't feel like he's overcompensating for his scummeta or anything like that. Especially since he was making reads before I showed up.
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
Roles with questionable matches to flavor: aristophanes, Jingle, Kthx, yakko, mainez
I see a distinct lack of hard investigation in this setup, and a ridiculous amount of protection. Heartless, how does your role interact with a miller?
Kthx is probably functionally a 1-shot cop here, given the assumption that flavor matters. I'm fine with assuming that on the basis of "Dark Coalition" being a named scumteam and the morty clone thing from Elbirn's PM.
Just a quick glance here tells me that neither the vig nor the vanilla-izer should act today. I'd like to use my ability tonight to figure out what it does just in case. If I'm right and it's negative utility, Aristophanes can vanillaize me the next night and we can prove his role as well. The busdriver will never be able to act like a vig now that he's claimed and is functionally an ascetic bg, thus shouldn't be targeted by town. If he lives too long he's a concern, but he's likely to
I had been thinking Meseeks was the source of the scumkill, but that's probably not true with the only powerful investigative in the game being a tracker. He's probably still scum controlled though, which means no one should target him. Ever. A tracker result to RBD is a guilty and means you're scum. Conversely, there are too many nerfed protective roles in the game for there to be a possibility of no investigatives at all. No way in hell are all of these weakened without there being some kind of follow the cop possible.
Here's my preliminary thoughts.
Tracker targets as he will. Claims his results in thread the day after.
Weak doc should target tracker tonight. Bodyguard should target weak doc. Busdriver should target bodyguard. That way we know that the tracker is town. The tracker can't be killed. The doc can't be killed. And the person protecting the doc can't be killed or roleblocked. Kthx should target RIP cause he has a chance at faking a guilty. If we don't lynch Yakko he should target the doc to prove the bodyguard actually targeted him as protection.
Meanwhile, Elbirn should target as he chooses. Main should wait until tomorrow to JK the doc.
That leaves the lynch pool as {Me, Yakko, Aristophanes, KJ, Lufan, No Lynch}, at least for today.
Can anyone break that logic?
I'm going to come back fresh tomorrow, but I think that confirms the optimal amount of people tonight. Additionally, I think it gives us the highest chance at confirming additional players tomorrow and the night after. If possible, we want Elbirn and Flames targeting separate people, but we also want their targets to be fairly unknown to prevent them from being killed/played around.
Also, while typing this I realized RBD claimed his action had the strongman modifier which makes it even more likely it's not the kill. If he was a strongman kill then there is literally no point to any of the protective roles in the thread except maybe stopping a vig shot.
