Open 595: Elemental Mafia (Town Wins!)

[TheReverend]

The fact he thinks lane is a PR also hints that he's looking for PRs. I'm not. Toffee is so far removed from my line of thinking that he simply must be a different alignment to me.

toffee could have been scumhunting instead of PR hunting, which is why he didn't hit lane who he thinks is PR. He also might have hoped scum saw what he saw and took a swing for lane.

toffee begging for town cred for this is scummy as shit.

[TheReverend]

BBT, if you thought that, why didn't you Popcorn Rev instead? Far's posted to say she won't be posting today.

This is an astute post. Toffee think I'm SK yet popcorn's farside? Nope, I'm online as we claim and toffee would have passed it to me, knowing I go to farside next.

He knows I'm not SK.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I know who a PR is.

If I'm right, it confirms me as town because I would have killed said PR if I were scum.

If I'm wrong, then it's irrelevant.

PEdit - It was pretty easy to spot. I'm always looking for PR crumbs to remove them from my 'to lynch pile'. We play very differently Rev, if we're both town, you're going to have to come to terms with that.

I find it extremely scummy (SK-y?) that you constantly have the SK at the forefront of your mind. You're either worried about the SK because you're scum (unlikely) or you're the SK and you're feigning SK hunting.

We'll have to wait and see.

It's also very clear I have been scum hunting, remember when I caught scum D1? Good times.

[ConManMick]

Toffee is so far removed from my line of thinking that he simply must be a different alignment to me.

This is a silly argument, you may have lost me here. Different folks, different strokes my friend.

Pedit:
Point about the nature of his popcorn pass is interesting, however.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I haven't suspected Farside at all have I? What a strange person to pass the popcorn to.

[ConManMick]

I think I know who a PR is.

If I'm right, it confirms me as town because I would have killed said PR if I were scum.

Wait, wait, I know THIS acronym!
It's WIFOM!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Haha, nah. It's straight up fact.

Anybody who does not kill PR's as scum/SK is playing sub-optimally.

[Bellaphant]

Surely Scum/SK also want to kill each other?

(also, Con, I dunno if I agree, but I lol-ed)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, but you don't want PR's around to catch you/block your kill.

At least, that's how I look at it. The longer PR's are around the more chance you have of being PoE'd late in the game.

[ConManMick]

Unless you were scum, figured out he was a PR, and decided to buy yourself some town credits before disposing of him.
The pot calls the kettle black;
WIFOM.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Buy myself town credits how?

[ConManMick]

Like this

[Plotinus]

@Bella I don't fully understand it either and I'm hoping it's not referring to any ongoing games other than this one. (it isn't on my end)

@The Reverend you say that you're not looking for PRs but you commented on Wrong Song's crumbs which at least one player (me) wouldn't have noticed had you not pointed them out.

@BBT: I can accept that there is value in looking for crumbs: practicing for the next time you role scum (especially for a newbie just learning to crumbhunt), in Matrix6 as a powerrole to look for scumcrumbing impossible alignments, or trying to avoid mislynching people. But I do find this crowing that you're conftown to be a bit distasteful.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like this

You're saying I predicted a D2 mass claim? I mean, I'm good, but I'm not

that

good.

Solid point Plotinus. Your rebuttal Reverend?

[TheReverend]

@The Reverend you say that you're not looking for PRs but you commented on Wrong Song's crumbs which at least one player (me) wouldn't have noticed had you not pointed them out.

I stated the obvious regarding wrong song. I wasn't actively looking for reasons people are PRs.

[Bellaphant]

1241, 1247, 1248 Is the conversation I don't get. Plot just said they don't get it even though BBT said they had it exactly. *baffled*

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I understand the PR thing actually, the logic being that you would have nightkilled them the prior night.

This is what I was replying to Bella.

[ConManMick]

No. Hypothetical WIFOM situation here:
You're scum / SK.
You cop onto lane being a PR.
You announce: LANE IS PR, IF HE IS I'M CONF TOWN BECAUSE IF I WAS SCUM HE'D BE DEAD.
Reasonable argument, have these town credits man.
You cash in on those town credits and sail away into the sunset. Then you sail back and murder everyone because they thought you were town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hahaha.

OK, but that would mean I would first have to out a PR.

Do you think I would get town points for outing a PR for no reason?

[Plotinus]

I simultaneously think that the fact that SK nailed mafia last night hints that the SK is good at scumhunting (which doesn't mean it's BBT but it suggests something), and also think that if BBT is the SK then BBT will have a burden of proficiency problem later on in the game when after nailing the last mafia BBT will have to lead us on lynches against townies for a few days before we get suspcious that BBT is suddenly less good at this. As such I'm not really interested in pursuing the matter of whether BBT is SK or not at this time because I think it will sort itself out eventually.

Like, I also think that being suspicious of people on the grounds that they're good at scumhunting is shooting town in the foot.

@Bella &BBT: the part that I don't get is what my name was doing in this sentence:

Remember that if I die Plotinus

I understood the rest, sorry. I was asking for clarification on why BBT thinks BBT will be conftown and BBT confirmed that I understood BBT's viewpoint.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh, I was saying you should remember that I thought Reverend was SK if I died.

[Plotinus]

Hahaha.

OK, but that would mean I would first have to out a PR.

Do you think I would get town points for outing a PR for no reason?

well you did kinda (lane, if it's true), but we're already massclaiming

[ConManMick]

Hahaha.

OK, but that would mean I would first have to out a PR.

Do you think I would get town points for outing a PR for no reason?

Toffee you're hurting my brain. If lane proves to be a power role, is this not what you've literally just done?

[Plotinus]

Oh, I was saying you should remember that I thought Reverend was SK if I died.

oh, ok. well then I will continue to remember that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also feel like Rev is trying to discredit me as a townie in an attempt to get the docs to protect elsewhere so he can kill me.

Just a thought.

PEdit - No, because we're mass claiming. Did I give off any hint whatsoever that I knew Lane was a PR before mass claim was suggested?