Open 595: Elemental Mafia (Town Wins!)

[farside22]

Sorry that was snarky.
I'm just frustrated.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, now. Here is a scenario for you;

Scum claimed PR (let's say RMM).

Tracker or back up claimed VT (Let's say FA)

FA comes back to thread tomorrow and says 'I claim PR'.

We now have 6 PRs.

Do you see how this changes the dynamic of the game?

[Wanderer-nl]

Unless backup doc claimed VT, as was mentioned earlier in this thread that should happen if it did come to a mass-claim. (I'm too lazy to look it up right now, need sleep first)

[farside22]

OK, now. Here is a scenario for you;

Scum claimed PR (let's say RMM).

Tracker or back up claimed VT (Let's say FA)

FA comes back to thread tomorrow and says 'I claim PR'.

We now have 6 PRs.

Do you see how this changes the dynamic of the game?

Ok. I'll wait then.

I'm going to bed now.

[FA_Q2]

OK, now. Here is a scenario for you;

Scum claimed PR (let's say RMM).

Tracker or back up claimed VT (Let's say FA)

FA comes back to thread tomorrow and says 'I claim PR'.

We now have 6 PRs.

Do you see how this changes the dynamic of the game?

That is why this entire idea about a PR claiming VT in a mass claim is idiotic IMHO.

Should have never even been suggested considering the point of mass claiming. I am going to assume that no one actually fell for that idea (hopefully). That means my vote is in the wrong place.

UNVOTE:

Now, far's idea is rather townish but he is also the only one that voted like scum. I really cant infer anything else from the vote counts. Not sure who to feed rope now.

[ConManMick]

I'd be happy to wait until everyone checks in again in case someone changes their claim. Otherwise, let's get cracking with checking up on the VT pool.

[Plotinus]

UNVOTE: I am also happy to wait until everyone checks in

[Plotinus]

UNVOTE: WrongSong

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, can we not lynch anyone just yet.

[Plotinus]

She was at L-6 so she wasn't in much danger of being lynched, but my vote was no longer where I wanted it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, I might wanna vote FA actually...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

tough crowd...






Can I please give my thoughts first? >.>

Not only can you but you should. However, if they are the same thoughts you have been giving then don’t bother – BBT was spot on when he called you out for not taking a stance on anyone. You continue this trend in every post you make.

You are not posting thoughts that are useful when you state this person could be scum or they could be town. That is pretty well established already – tell us who you think is scum and WHY.

I can go with this lynch today I think. I will vote later though if it looks as though this is the lynch for today.

I would prefer RMM though.

321 was REALLY bad and that has been beaten to death.

I genuinely cannot find a single townslip or scumslip or anything form anyone. This is unusual for me.

Nothing.
Then:

Plotinus' attitude, however, is what I call 'over the top' style of scum-play. The typical tryhard scum attitude. Overdoes any explanation etc.

And

But then again tryhards can be VERY useful town members so I really am struggling here.

Takes a stance and then runs from it in the very next post. More nothing.

And tops it off with:

yay for bandwagons VOTE: Papi

Really! No issue with players joining wagons on scummy players but at least have a better reason than because everyone else is doing It at the time.

This runs from a stance much more than Papi does, contributes less and has posted 2 things that make me really think he is scum – runs to a PL and jumps on the first available wagon that might get a lynch without bothering to add any thoughts or agree with anything. Just states yay for bandwagons. Wth…

I still read flubber as slightly scummy but he is not as scummy as these 2. I don’t really agree with the bella scum read, she is null for me. This is mostly based on the last game I played with town bella – the style just seems similar IMHO. Will look harder at bella when I have more time to.

This is an interesting post from FA. Where did your suspicion of Flubber go?

You read Flubber as slightly scummy - yet you started D2 sounding pretty convinced that you thought Flubber was scum;

Really because I think that flubber was BLATANTLY scum. Much more than even papi IMHO.

Yes, one mafia and one sk.

There are a few things not adding up here. Your latest stated read on Flubber was 'slightly scummy', this attempt to make your read stronger appear stronger than what it was is a push for town cred I believe.

You then state you will join the lynch (Papi's lynch) if it's the lynch for the Day. But, you would much prefer to lynch RMM instead. Then you joined the RMM wagon. Can you explain your thought process here? Why did RMM suddenly become so scummy? You had posted after 3 of his posts that you quoted you had a problem with, why did you not address the issue sooner?

I think you saw RMM as a good opportunity to stop bussing and push a potential counter-wagon to Papi.

VOTE: FA

[Bellaphant]

If the back up doc or the tracker has claimed vt I want them to claim pr. Anyone who has an issue with this should tell me. Do we need to popcorn this as well?

[Wanderer-nl]

If we do a new massclaim where tracker and backup doc change their claim, and mafia and SK keep to what they claimed before (so there would be a total of 2 changes), then they both know who the tracker and backupdoc are.

[Wanderer-nl]

They should only claim PR if they didn't do so before, because that means mafia or SK are hiding in the PR-pool.

[farside22]

I'm waiting for claims to be done.

[Wanderer-nl]

The claims are done. I was last. I claimed VT. BBT forgot to add me in his list.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The only early VT claim left is Plotinus and I don't see him changing.

I think we have our 5 PR's.

Let's lynch FA.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, I want to know if I can trust those claims and a back up claiming vt is just complicating it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think all the claims are in.

Plotinus has been online and he hasn't changed his claim.

I think scum is in FA/Farside.

[Plotinus]

i'm not changing my claim. I'm VT.

I'm townreading FA, but I'm okay with Farside -- spent a while with their combined ISO with flubber and papi yesterday.

VOTE: Farside

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can do either, I don't care which goes first.

Plotinus, did you read my post on FA? What do you think about it?

[Plotinus]

I read it. I'd like to see FA_Q2's response to it. I read FA_Q2's ISO yesterday myself because I realised I hadn't interacted with their slot very much yet and I was hoping to find something to ask them about or talk to them about to get a better read on their slot but instead I ended up townreading them without having anything much to say. But basically:

I liked FA_Q2's early push on flubber in 112.

The confusion about how many people were voting flubber at the time seemed genuine and it seemed like a good thing to be cautious about.

I liked how FA_Q2 had been interacting with a variety of slots and trying to scumhunt. They seemed to be paying attention and their responses often pointed things out about other players that I had missed. I have never played with them before so I don't know if they're always like this regardless of alignment or not, but their scumhunting seems genuine to me.

In 510, FA_Q2 says that flubber is slightly scummy but not as scummy as the person they're voting and someone else, which is a reasonable reason to be voting where they are.

I liked 610.

The way I see it, FA_Q2 spent day 1 pushing on a number of different slots, including papi and flubber but also conman and madman and some others. I guess I read 892 as being a hindsight thing. FA_Q2 pushed on flubber some early on but then pursued other targets but then looked back and saw that flubber was scummy all along. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm wrong a lot lately. FA_Q2 did hammer though and I do still think a doublebus is less likely than the third mafia being off the wagon.

I'd still like to see FA_Q2's response to your points though.

[farside22]

Okay so back to my idea of town tracker claiming today.

I want only the claimed pr's to discuss this and BBT to stop changing the subject

[ConManMick]

As you said farside, we're losing PRs tonight regardless of whether tracker claims or not. Assuming all claims are true, odds of tracker surviving are better than if they claim. Tracker should only claim if they have something useful.