White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 4.04

ika (2) - BlueBloodedToffee, theelkspeaks
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Antihero

Not Voting (3) - Ankamius, ika, Regfan

With 7 alive, it will take 4 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, May 22, 2015, at 2:00 AM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-22 02:00:00).

[Antihero]

'mkay, so we've got the ika wagon again, who was the counterwagon to SCUM yesterday WITH THE SAME PEOPLE ON IT MINUS THE FLIPPED FUCKING SCUM

yeah, bbt, you ARE on crazy pills

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anti, please look at ika hammer.

Just fucking look at it. Look at the differences in his two hammers.

Look at Anen jumping off the ika wagon when it becomes joint lead wagon.

I want you to completely disregard your ika meta if I'm shown to be right this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

(anen really likes to bus when it doesn't matter)

[Antihero]

no, he jumped off after i posted the meta. once zach and i started shouting it down, that ika wagon dead in the water.

[Antihero]

Just fucking look at it. Look at the differences in his two hammers.

highlights differences in mood if anything. what's your point?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He looks like he is frustrated that he has to hammer his buddy.

Why would he hammer a town read heading into LyLo? WHY?

[ika]

He looks like he is frustrated that he has to hammer his buddy.

Why would he hammer a town read heading into LyLo? WHY?

easy cus in lylo i fuck people over.

if your ecall robbery on casino i was going to fuck you and your shitty team over but GC fucked it up

check alsmot any game of where i was in lylo/mylo and see how amny fuck ups i have done.

this gaem is stupid get someone to l-1 and i will hammer.

we can do BBT/CES today i have no prefrence

[ika]

that beiing said im heading out for dinks

[Ankamius]

I have a pretty bad migraine from work today, so I'm going to skip on posting in games today. I'll get to this tomorrow.

[Regfan]

Only just skimmed today and need to do plenty more interaction analysis reading but that'll have to wait till tomorrow, doing mothers day early over here.

The Ika votes are awful, if anything the manner that he hammered yesterday is a town-tell; scum have no reason to hammer a partner while subsequently calling them town and wouldn't do it after their partner just posts walls of info that hadn't been responded to yet.

I'm very very likely voting Elk here, I think Anen-Elk interactions (Anens town-read on Elk and the reasoning behind it, Elks scum read on Psyche that somehow vanished despite it being super strong and his town read on Anen that was somehow created out of nothing) fit as partners super well. Was and still kind of am thinking Ank is probably the third out of the lot (Anti/Ika are ObvTown, like ObvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvTown despite the fact that Antis just going to de-credit and shit over anything I say, "oh look he used the words interaction!"), I don't think BBT fits with Anen/Psyche as a partner and I still think CES is town but his change of vote from Elk to BBT means I can kind of see a CES-Elk scum-team possibly being the case and CES not being able to buss here.

[ika]

im baccccckkkkk

why are we even dicussion the game when we could jsut be voting liek its hilarious how bad BBt is being and how he even admits it ego based play right now...

personaly GIf thinks he town

I think based on BBT tone he thinks im town but is jsut pushing policy on me

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Regfan, I would still vote elk. I'm willing to stake this game on it being elk-BBT; BBT's trying to do exactly what he needs to do to win the game, which is take advantage of the good position he is in right now to get his second mislynch in ika before circling back to me Tomorrow. How else is he going to avoid an elklynch?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1807 - ika, this is exactly why if you are actually town I will avoid playing with you. Your play-style is so anti-town it's borderline playing against your win-con. There is no way you are town this game and I feel like I have done enough to crush your meta so that you won't be able rely on it again.

You'll hammer both myself and CES? You actually think myself and CES are both scum? How can people not see that ika is scum?

Sure, I'll let you hammer CES.

VOTE: CES

1810 - That hammer is a town tell? I must live on a different planet.

Town also don't hammer their town reads heading into LyLo either.

I don't know how you're seeing a possible CES/Elk team either. There would be no reason for CES to come out and bus his buddy immediately. I am, however, glad that you've got the sense to start reevaluating your reads.

1811 - Tbh, I'm past the point of caring. I feel I have sufficiently crushed your meta so when you flip scum after we lynch CES I'll get some satisfaction from that (and the fact that, hopefully, you'll never be able to rely on this type of play again). If you're town, I'll console myself with the fact that you're really bad at this game.

1812 - This association is awful. Can you just restate why you think I'm scum again?

You're acting like my reads on you and ika have just materialized toDay to try and support your theory that you're trying to push. Like, I'm scum reading you and ika just to avoid elk being lynched. You see how silly you look proposing this, right?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're acting like my reads on you and ika have just materialized toDay to try and support your theory that you're trying to push. Like, I'm scum reading you and ika just to avoid elk being lynched. You see how silly you look proposing this, right?

I'm clearly referring to your choice to push ika today. Although I don't think it is at all accidental that you've got these tunnely reads on me and ika; that was always going to give you the option of not going after your scum buddies.

This "crush your meta" thing seems completely incoherent.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm clearly referring to your choice to push ika today. Although I don't think it is at all accidental that you've got these tunnely reads on me and ika; that was always going to give you the option of not going after your scum buddies.

You're right.

It's not like I've lynched scum this game... (the only lynch I've been on I might add)

I see that 'static reads' has changed to 'tunnely'. Is that an attempt to discredit my reads further after you realised that saying reads are static is a scum tell was pretty bad?

You have no comment on Ika thinking we're a scum team? Like, no comment on that ridiculous statement at all?

[ika]

I find it funny how BBT is going either "im bad town or im scum" over and over when i have seen him sigle hadldly detroy games as well with his bad meta and plays (and anti point one out)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It's not like I've lynched scum this game... (the only lynch I've been on I might add)

You had no interest in that wagon until it had become very obvious that Anen was getting lynched. This is classic scum trying to claim credit for a scum lynch he played little part in.

I see that 'static reads' has changed to 'tunnely'. Is that an attempt to discredit my reads further after you realised that saying reads are static is a scum tell was pretty bad?

I'm calling them tunnely because that's what relevant; you've put yourself in a position where you can outright refuse to vote for your scum buddy because you're so "convinced" that me and ika are scum and where you don't even have to engage the arguments for your scum buddy being scum.

You have no comment on Ika thinking we're a scum team? Like, no comment on that ridiculous statement at all?

I'd rather focus on what scum is doing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You had no interest in that wagon until it had become very obvious that Anen was getting lynched. This is classic scum trying to claim credit for a scum lynch he played little part in.

It was far from obvious that Anen was getting lynched. You realise that I left the joint leading wagon (Ika) to vote Anen, right? Like, you saw that happen.

I had absolutely no reason whatsoever to bus there if I was scum.

I'm calling them tunnely because that's what relevant; you've put yourself in a position where you can outright refuse to vote for your scum buddy because you're so "convinced" that me and ika are scum and where you don't even have to engage the arguments for your scum buddy being scum.

Can you explain the difference between static and tunnely for me?

I wouldn't be in this position if people had listened to me earlier in the game. We'd have already won by now.

I'd rather focus on what scum is doing.

Of course. How convenient.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, you might have a point if I'd sat here and been like 'Kia and CES are scum' whilst providing no reasons whatsoever.

But we both know that's not the case. I've tried pretty fucking hard to get either of you lynched.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

EBWOP: Ika. Not Kia.

[ika]

i find it more funny how you have yet to even dent my meta since it seems like 90% of my defense is comming form ohters.

it you need to know my own evaluation on self meta it would prob be slightly diffrent then what others make it out ot be.

@ank can i get mollie to talk to me when you get back

pedit: just to piss you off further, you seem to be ingornign everyone elses voice on me being town though? so its moot point.

also you have yet to jsutify why i was doing nothing

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ika, your meta is finished after this game.

People need to see you flip first.

[ika]

Ika, your meta is finished after this game.

People need to see you flip first.

after this game my meta will only be more justified.

see your not even entiliting the idea that i will flip town and you already have removed your blame from being on my myslynch as well

[Regfan]

Fully caught up now and still want to do this;

Vote: Elk

Fairly sure a lynch there ends the game.

@BBT/Ika, p sure you're both town so stop fucking spamming with useless shit.

@Anti - Again if you (Or TTH) still somehow think I'm scum here I urge you to read through my meta, can provide more links if needed because I'm ridiculously easy to meta-read, difference in how I scumhunt/state reads and general activity is massively difference as both alignments.

@BBT - Ikas town, like ridiculously obvious town so you kind of need to stop tunneling there; sure hammering a town-read is bad-play but in this specific case it's not a scum-tell; what does Ika!Scum gain by hammering a partner that just posted a lot of content that may have led others to reevaulate while not actually claiming to have a scum-read on them. The answer is nothing, there's no scum motivation behind his vote.

@Ank - Explain how the Zach kill makes CES more likely town for me please since I'm not following the reasoning there.

tth also said the early-game cooperation from copper on psyche is unlikely to have come from scum copper. she doubts copper would've told elk, as scum, to bus especially in this setup. tth is saying it's not elk and i'm inclined to agree.

Honestly suggest the both of you reread Elks slots read on Psyche/Anen, the way the scum read vanishes points massively towards that being a distance attempt. Not to mention everything about Post 1750 is so fake (And actually kind of make Elk-CES work even more sadly).

I would bank that the only reason Reg is alive is because he has been solidly town reading both you and ika all game long and doesn't reconsider his position at all.

Thought I was a likely night kill N1, was fairly sure I would live through N2/N3 through and I don't think it's because Ikas scum at all because I'd bet a lot on him being town (Albeit I'm willing to at least concede that CES's recent play and Elks interaction with him means I might be wrong on CES) but I think I'm left alive because I was a large pusher of two mslynches and scum felt I'd be de-creditted or ignored due to that. There's also the fact that Elks scum-read on Ika reads as attempting to take advantage of BBT's misread there.

Regfan, I would still vote elk. I'm willing to stake this game on it being elk-BBT; BBT's trying to do exactly what he needs to do to win the game, which is take advantage of the good position he is in right now to get his second mislynch in ika before circling back to me Tomorrow. How else is he going to avoid an elklynch?

Again I don't think BBT-Anen / BBT-Psyche interaction (I'll grab some links when it's not 3am) works as partners ergo I don't think BBTs scum here, the fact that I brought this fact up yesterday yet you switched so quickly from Elk->BBT isn't something I like at all.