Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[lalaladucks]

Happy Mother's Day farside!!!
Hope your family spoils you ~>~

[farside22]

Thank you!

[farside22]

I actually looked at the vote count. I don't recall a single point that ABR ever made that justified him ever being on any wagon at all.

[Sakura Hana]

I think i'm falling into apathy u.u Everytime i think someone's scum someone disproves my theory and i can see reasons for being scum for almost anyone.

[Sakura Hana]

You know what, fuck it, i'm doing a reset and going off my VCA

Vote: Elbirn

[Sakura Hana]

Also Happy Mother's day farside!

[Sakura Hana]

Cho might as well be scum too.
Still working on the 3rd.

[Sakura Hana]

Elbirn: Playing a very passive game at D1 start, then latching onto lufan and doing... very little to push that as RC and Equinox were already pushing it.
His reason for joining AA9 wagon at D2 start sucked, also apparently he wanted another "accidental" hammer. 1225: Very silly way to explain why he didnt fell off the wagon sooner. 1290 is meh at best.
Also I remember he wanting to indict Gaiden on D4 due to my question as to why I got shot, then when i heavily townread Gaiden he suddenly dies? Gaiden wanted Elbirn dead at the end of D4 too...
His D3 still looks like busing to me...

[Sakura Hana]

other than that, i want elbrin lynched if massive is scum, but if massive happens to be town, i'm biased toward getting rid of lalaladucks.

Elbirn wanted lalaladucks dead yesterday.
Elbrin also wanted to indict Gaiden based on NKA.
Gaiden then suddenly dies.

What's concerning me is why would he be killed when there were higher sin players.

Seems to be setting up on possible NKA today...

Not to mention that VCA also points towards him being scum.

[lufan131]

Sakura, I think I agree with your VCA.
VOTE: Elbrin

[Sakura Hana]

>Says she's falling to apathy
>Makes a bunch of posts rambling
ok...

Anyway yeah, that's why i think Elbirn's scum.

[Elbirn]

>Says she's falling to apathy
>Makes a bunch of posts rambling
ok...

Anyway yeah, that's why i think Elbirn's scum.

You mean a blivet of fuckall?

Seriously I just got on a computer and am rereading, and I truly don't understand how you think you pulled anything alignment indicative out of that. You realize that if I get lynched the game is over. You're going to bet the game on this?

Elbirn: Playing a very passive game at D1 start, then latching onto lufan and doing... very little to push that as RC and Equinox were already pushing it.
His reason for joining AA9 wagon at D2 start sucked, also apparently he wanted another "accidental" hammer. 1225: Very silly way to explain why he didnt fell off the wagon sooner. 1290 is meh at best.
Also I remember he wanting to indict Gaiden on D4 due to my question as to why I got shot, then when i heavily townread Gaiden he suddenly dies? Gaiden wanted Elbirn dead at the end of D4 too...
His D3 still looks like busing to me...

Alright so that last bit was @ your "VCA". This is still pretty crap.

I pushed Lufan, a player who was pretty unanimously wanted dead, so that makes me scum because...? You're basically criticizing me for having a slow start on Day fucking one.
I don't understand your statement that I wanted another accidental hammer, i.e., when did an accidental hammer happen before, when did I state I wanted one, etc. etc. you're making shit up don't do that.
Don't understand your criticism of either 1225 or 1290.
I don't know what the "indict gaiden on D4" bit is.
Gaiden wanted me dead if Massive flipped scum, otherwise he wanted Lala, someone I was pushing. Sounds like if I were scum that would be a good reason to keep Gaiden alive.
I'm sorry I pointed out a scumslip and hammered said scum?

Sakura, I think I agree with your VCA.
VOTE: Elbrin

Lufan, explain why you agree with her VCA, unvote, or just claim scum. Because I refuse to believe you understood any of that.

If Lufan is town, scum is in a position to quickhammer me for the win.

[Glass]

SH, what does muffin/Tere/massive think?

[Elbirn]

other than that, i want elbrin lynched if massive is scum, but if massive happens to be town, i'm biased toward getting rid of lalaladucks.

Elbirn wanted lalaladucks dead yesterday.
Elbrin also wanted to indict Gaiden based on NKA.
Gaiden then suddenly dies.

What's concerning me is why would he be killed when there were higher sin players.

Seems to be setting up on possible NKA today...

Not to mention that VCA also points towards him being scum.

1. What do you mean I wanted to indict Gaiden based on NKA? Like holy shit I never said that anywhere, I said nothing but bad things about Lala yesterday.

2. Why is NKA analysis bad? I sincerely don't even understand your objection here.

[Glass]

And I guess I'll answer farside's question which will go nowhere:
I think it's more likely that lufan is town than scum, but I don't have a strong townread on him.

[lufan131]

>Says she's falling to apathy
>Makes a bunch of posts rambling
ok...

Anyway yeah, that's why i think Elbirn's scum.

You mean a blivet of fuckall?

Seriously I just got on a computer and am rereading, and I truly don't understand how you think you pulled anything alignment indicative out of that. You realize that if I get lynched the game is over. You're going to bet the game on this?

Elbirn: Playing a very passive game at D1 start, then latching onto lufan and doing... very little to push that as RC and Equinox were already pushing it.
His reason for joining AA9 wagon at D2 start sucked, also apparently he wanted another "accidental" hammer. 1225: Very silly way to explain why he didnt fell off the wagon sooner. 1290 is meh at best.
Also I remember he wanting to indict Gaiden on D4 due to my question as to why I got shot, then when i heavily townread Gaiden he suddenly dies? Gaiden wanted Elbirn dead at the end of D4 too...
His D3 still looks like busing to me...

Alright so that last bit was @ your "VCA". This is still pretty crap.

I pushed Lufan, a player who was pretty unanimously wanted dead, so that makes me scum because...? You're basically criticizing me for having a slow start on Day fucking one.
I don't understand your statement that I wanted another accidental hammer, i.e., when did an accidental hammer happen before, when did I state I wanted one, etc. etc. you're making shit up don't do that.
Don't understand your criticism of either 1225 or 1290.
I don't know what the "indict gaiden on D4" bit is.
Gaiden wanted me dead if Massive flipped scum, otherwise he wanted Lala, someone I was pushing. Sounds like if I were scum that would be a good reason to keep Gaiden alive.
I'm sorry I pointed out a scumslip and hammered said scum?

Sakura, I think I agree with your VCA.
VOTE: Elbrin

Lufan, explain why you agree with her VCA, unvote, or just claim scum. Because I refuse to believe you understood any of that.

If Lufan is town, scum is in a position to quickhammer me for the win.

Why? Because I'd like to believe most of the scum voted for me at one point, since a scum lead my wagon. I also think her pointing out how town voted is useful to find non-town. Is that not the point of VCA?

[Elbirn]

So one scum was on your wagon, so there should be other scum....Because why? Why would scum be more likely to be on a wagon? Why would they be off?

Wagon/Voting analysis is quite literally nonsense and fairy dust because you assume that scum will do one thing, when there is absolutely zero reason why they would do any particular thing over any other particular thing.

I say again, Lufan, if you are town, then scum can quickhammer me and win the game. It's 5 votes to lynch, 3 scum, and 2 votes on me right now. If you don't unvote, you're claiming scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Elbirn's posts this page have been awful. I won't vote him because his play was aligned with mine since day 1, and right now I'm feeling like lala is more likely to flip scum than cho or elbirn.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Elbirn the defense of why would you kill gaiden because he said a massive town flip would make him go after lala is really, really bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: laladucks

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: grapes

Yeah. That's what I want to do.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lala's vote for Cho is actually decent. Elbirn man, if you're town, write a case on somebody or something man.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 5.1

Cho [1] - lalaladucks
Elbirn [2] - Sakura Hana, lufan131
grapes [1] - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting [5]

- farside22, Cho, Elbirn, Glass, grapes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

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Deadline is May 17, 2015, at 10 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-05-17 12:00:00)

[Sakura Hana]

SH, what does muffin/Tere/massive think?

Tere's reads haven't changed much (or at least she did tell me that "i know her reads" so...) and went V/LA until monday.
massive hasn't done anything, he did ask to look at during the RC lynch who else was pushing it as a de-facto slip, we could have scum busing there.
muffin went silent except to say that trusting him is a bad idea after the massive lynch.
Kats dissapeared.

Aside from Tere sometimes poking in to comment on stuff, im pretty much alone at this point, Tere did mention that despite the trolling ducks has been doing today ducks is probably town, but that's the same read she's had on ducks anyway.

You know what, while i know my vote for Elbirn was just purely out of "let's vote whatever", i didn't like his reaction, ABR might be onto something on grapes and Tere's reads align there, i might vote there as well.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm sorry I pointed out a scumslip and hammered said scum?

Huh, i didnt say you pointed out a scumslip, thanks for making my life easier about the point massive made tho!