In post 1824, Boonskiies wrote:the tracker wouldn't have gotten that she visited nowhere if they tracked her...mala said she targeted sleepykrew, but got RB'd....the tracker couldn't have seen any of it....
1. Mala targeted <someone> with rolecop on N1.
2. Mala receives: no result
3. Mala knows she was RB'ed.
4. RB'ed actions don't show up on tracker or watcher reports.
5. Mala knows she wouldn't have shown up on any tracker or watcher reports N1.
6. thus, Mala can just make up whoever target she wants knowing she can't get called on it
bolded the bad link in the chain.
mala got caught on her fakeclaim because she claimed something untrue according to the wiki. Assuming that she checked role interactions is not safe.
I realized, however, that she was trying to get town power to claim and get value out of her death, so she might have lied about her target to try to force uhhhhh no. it's not incorrect
In post 1824, Boonskiies wrote:the tracker wouldn't have gotten that she visited nowhere if they tracked her...mala said she targeted sleepykrew, but got RB'd....the tracker couldn't have seen any of it....
1. Mala targeted <someone> with rolecop on N1.
2. Mala receives: no result
3. Mala knows she was RB'ed.
4. RB'ed actions don't show up on tracker or watcher reports.
5. Mala knows she wouldn't have shown up on any tracker or watcher reports N1.
6. thus, Mala can just make up whoever target she wants knowing she can't get called on it
bolded the bad link in the chain.
mala got caught on her fakeclaim because she claimed something untrue according to the wiki. Assuming that she checked role interactions is not safe.
I realized, however, that she was trying to get town power to claim and get value out of her death, so she might have lied about her target to try to force the tracker claim if any existed. So my conclusion is the same.
if Mala knows she was RB'ed, and RB'ed actions don't show up on tracker/watcher reports, she would fucking know she didn't show up on any tracker/watcher reports N1
In practice, roleblocked abilities are simply considered to have never happened. Thus, roles such as Tracker, Watcher, and Paranoid Gun Owner do not work if they Track/Watch/are targeted by Roleblocked actions.
In post 1826, pieguyn wrote:mala got caught on her fakeclaim because she claimed something untrue according to the wiki. Assuming that she checked role interactions is not safe.
Assuming. That she knew. The interactions of a roleblocker. is not. safe.
if you're really going to base assumptions on the notion that people just don't have common sense, I have no interest in continuing this conversation any further. but hey, not the first time you've done this this game
except RB'd actions not being on tracker/watcher reports is, as I said, common knowledge
you don't have to look up anything on the wiki to be aware of it. I for one definitely knew about it, but wasn't aware of x-shot roles getting their shots refunded not being normal - and this was the case without me looking up either roleblocker or "Normal" on the wiki
and even if it *wasn't* necessarily common knowledge, it's still a bad assumption to make
like seriously, think about it more. you're attempting to clear SK here and it's based around the assumption that MALA WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN HOW ROLE INTERACTIONS WORK. did it never occur to you that's a really dangerous assumption you have to make in order to clear someone?
I really don't see how it's risky? in her case, it's not like she actually did anything to him, or was even capable of doing anything to him in the first place (given you can't just shoot someone, whereas you can, for example, make up a cop report which can then be confirmed/disproven). as I said, I don't really have any data on it, but I would expect that there is no risk in claiming an action on a scum partner for her claim here.
I'll elaborate on some of the stuff that pinged us later. it's 5 PM and I'm still half-asleep -.-
In the case of actions scum fakeclaim like cop or doc, they tend to almost always be on townies, despite this meta attention usually ends up shined on the subject of the fakeclaim and that's probably part of the reason they tend not to claim on their scum buddies. I imagine that kind of attention that comes with the other roles might be in play here which is why I would tend to think Mala would be liklyish to claim an action on a townie.
Not that I'll ignore evidence that Sleepy is scum if you have some. At the moment though he's not really jumping out to me as an obvious last scum... that's kind of the problem I'm at right now, no one really is. I have some maybe reads but I would kind of like to get it right.
If I were to guess right now I'd say it's egg. When I took a look in my team topic, Jason is actually really convinced that it is egg.
There's no fucking evidence. pie's just gonna do that incredibly awful 'bind myself for you' crap again and try to push the whole thing on assertion. I think we're all just here to be an audience for her.
seriously, your attitude is among the worst I've ever seen. I've never seen anyone who can create this kind of a toxic atmosphere in a game where we've lynched scum on D1 _and_ D2, explicitly IN RESPONSE to the scum lynches occurring.
Do you guys have issue with each other or something?
Pie's contributions to the game at this point have been pretty overwhelmingly positive for the town. She's a large part of the reason myself/jason are still alive here and a significant factor in the Mala and Thor lynches.
I'm not sure how you can say she's playing bad here when the empirical evidence shows the opposite.
