Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[lalaladucks]

Cbf.

[farside22]

Lala: those in red don't even match my list at all. How is it similar?

[farside22]

Just to make it a bit clearer, the orange (Elbirn) and the pink (Cho) are approximately equal in suspicion level in my reads list~

lalaladucks

Apr 17, 08:21am May 11, 08:32pm 0 days 0 hours

279

Sakura Hana

Apr 17, 05:06am May 11, 06:34pm 0 days 2 hours

426

Elbirn

Apr 17, 04:26am May 11, 02:05pm 0 days 6 hours

82

grapes

Apr 17, 11:58am May 11, 01:47pm 0 days 6 hours

49

Glass

Apr 17, 06:02am May 11, 10:53am 0 days 9 hours

70

Albert B. Rampage

Apr 17, 09:37am May 11, 10:00am 0 days 10 hours

198

Cho

Apr 28, 05:29am May 11, 08:34am 0 days 12 hours

124

lufan131

Apr 17, 04:07am May 11, 08:06am 0 days 12 hours

116

farside22

Apr 17, 04:37am May 10, 08:31pm 1 day 0 hours

93

And the grey is tentative town lean.
Obviously green = town
And red = demon
In case you were wondering

Well grapes is the same but you have Abr as town.
What is orange?

[Sakura Hana]

Lala: those in red don't even match my list at all. How is it similar?

It is not, that's exactly why it's bothering me.

[lalaladucks]

Orange and pink are scumleans.
It's somewhat similar.

[lalaladucks]

But you and Albert are switched in position, that's the major difference.
By similar I meant scumreading grapes and suspicious of Elbirn and Cho.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 5.3

Elbirn [1] - lufan131

Not Voting [8]

- farside22, Elbirn, Glass, grapes, lalaladucks, Sakura Hana, Cho, Albert B. Rampage

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

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Deadline is May 17, 2015, at 10 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-05-17 12:00:00)

[Cho]

Going to sort in a sec.

[Elbirn]

So I've been busy with work and a sudden extreme need to find a new place to live, and am quite frankly pretty stressed. I saw Sakura request everyone's reads, but I don't remember much else. If there are any questions anyone had (or if anyone wants to ask me one now) please point me to it and I'll answer.

Towniest to scummiest:

Sakura Hana
Elbirn
Glass
Albert B. Rampage
Farside22
Lufan131
Lalaladucks
Cho
Grapes

Notes on this list. I have Lala as third scummiest, but I believe it's more likely that I'm wrong about one of my townreads than her being scum. I'd look at Farside/Albert for that potentially-wrong-person. Glass seems town to me. Lufan I'm just paranoid about, because frankly there's no way to read him and I don't see how RedCoyote pushing him all game means he's town. In fact, if the assumption everyone goes with is "Scum wouldn't bus their teammate all game", then that's EXACTLY what scum should do. Having said that I don't want him lynched. I'm not confident in him being scum, and I wouldn't want to bet the game on it. I still want to hang Grapes for defending RC's scumslip, that post was all kinds of awful. As for Cho, somewhere in the back of my mind at the end of D4 I thought, "If Cho isn't the NK she is scum", and I'm trying to remember why. I think it's the sincount. She has two sin. There were other two sinners (Lala and Lufan) but I could see them being lynchbait, hence scum wouldn't kill them. Why would Cho not be NK'd though?

"But Elbirn, NKA is bullshit and wifomy and scum manipulate that and how can you believe that and hate VCA at the same time" because fuck you thats why

I need to reread this game basically and at the moment I don't have time to

[Cho]

Cho The Bulge Seraphim, SIN, SIN
Sakura Hana, SIN, SIN
Albert B. Rampage, SIN

grapes
Glass

farside22, SIN
lufan131, SIN, SIN

Elbirn, SIN

lalaladucks, SIN, SIN

-----

Town, null (I cannot figure out at all anymore if part of a scumteam would want no sin so town could get it or if they would be ok with getting sin in order to help push things), drifting between nulltown and nullscum (as in I keep thinking different opposing things about these players and farside in particular I keep reading wrong and while I don't want to lynch her I also kind of do if only it didn't probably have a huge margin of error there), nullscum and I think the only lynch I actually want atm, and scum.

Also, my lack of townreads this game annoys me probably more than it annoys you.

[Cho]

ITT Elbirn's position of scum-but-not-the-most-scum and omg-2-sin-alive is exactly as predicted.

[Cho]

is literally the whole game scumreading me

[Cho]

elbirn
lalala
farside
glass
lufan ......................what is brown
sakura (here just because)
oh rc was scumreading my slot earlier too heh

grapes is attacking people's arguments on me but avoiding a specific read on me. Not sure if appreciated.

ABR is... townreading me I think? It felt like that yesterday at least. Kind of like grapes except I liked it. So.

[Sakura Hana]

I have fallen sick and atm i dont feel like doing much, hopefully i get better tomorrow so i can actually do something, imma check which people have posted their lists then and do some analysis.
Just to remind myself of who has posted reads:

farside22, SIN

Cho The Bulge Seraphim, SIN, SIN

lufan131, SIN, SIN
Sakura Hana, SIN, SIN

Elbirn, SIN

Glass

Albert B. Rampage, SIN
lalaladucks, SIN, SIN
grapes

I really would like to have everyone with their arranged reads by tomorrow @_@

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just started at work and I have 3 games that have started over the weekend so I won't be caught up for some time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Me
Sakura
Glass

Lala, cho, Elbirn

Lufan, farside, grapes

My list ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was pretty sure lala was scum, but at this point, if she is then she deserves to win anyway.

Lufan, farside and grapes make more sense. Maybe Elbirn, some of his posts are scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cho are you scum? If you're not then why do you think Elbirn is scum?

[lufan131]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to rank them...
Sakura
All else townreads
All scumreads.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to rank them...
Sakura
All else townreads
All scumreads.

Do so anyway.

[lufan131]

Sakura Hana, SIN, SIN
lufan131, SIN, SIN
lalaladucks, SIN, SIN
farside22, SIN
Cho The Bulge Seraphim, SIN, SIN
Glass
grapes
Elbirn, SIN
Albert B. Rampage, SIN

... So what's the point in my second list? I just gave out the scum-reads, so I want to know what difference this new format makes.

[Elbirn]

[quote="In post 2275, lufan131"]If at the end of the game, sakura is the last scum, I'll laugh./quote]

Weeee Phone posting

I was thinking about this and this statement screams "dumbtown". Like I'm sorry to have to phrase it like that, I myself am pisswd people keep calling *me* bad/dumb. But yeah I don't see scum saying this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think you played well, actually. I'm not sure of your alignment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lufan was bandwagoned for good reason on Day 1, and then I convinced myself he was probably town because everyone wanted him dead, but the more I think of it, we just kind of left him alone for no good reason as he hasn't posted anything substantially town.

Farside isn't really making any waves today. I still think she's scummy for claiming credibility for Equinox unvote a9. He was probably going to do it anyway, it really just seemed like she was fishing for townie points by making herself look more important for that derailment than she actually was.

grapes, I just don't have a feel for his game. Elbirn or grapes are logical from a POE perspective, but I don't really want to vote them today.

[lalaladucks]

Fine

Sakura.

lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

~READS~

lalaladucks

Sakura Hana

lufan131

Glass

Albert B. Rampage

farside22

Cho

Elbirn

grapes ~ el demonfruit

*They've changed slightly; don't find farside as scummy any more