Micro 474: Over the Garden Wall Mafia (GAME OVER)

[SXTLHGaiden]

I'm an NK immune miller vig IC

[Alchemist21]

Hey! Jokeclaims are my schtick!

[SXTLHGaiden]

Also, you underestimate Gaiden lurk styles.
This is clearly the "front load style" where i post "a lot" early then coast on my obvtown aura.

[Alchemist21]

I don't think you're obvTown.

[SXTLHGaiden]

that's cause your clearly scum

[SXTLHGaiden]

you're**

[Alchemist21]

And I suppose all the players who don't think you're obvTown either are my scumbuddies.

[SXTLHGaiden]

how'd you guess?

[SXTLHGaiden]

wait, i've played this game before...
VOTE: conspiracy

[Alchemist21]

[Kagami]

Official Vote Count

Metal Sonic

(3): ActionDan, pieguyn, Doduo

Doduo

(2): Nachomamma8, Metal Sonic

SXTLHGaiden

(1): Alchemist21

9/11 was an Inside Job

(1): SXTLHGaiden

pieguyn

(1): Honey bee

Not Voting

(1): Lia

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-05-19 07:01:02)

[Doduo]

VOTE: cheney

[Kagami]

VOTE: cheney

Thesp's votecounter says this is a vote for Doduo, so we'll just go with that (Gaiden's was for actionDan).

[Doduo]

VOTE: Doduo

Funtime over. No more silly votes

[Doduo]

VOTE: ms : [

[Doduo]

i honestly thought it could be an actual mechanic tho

just silliness.

[Honey bee]

I'm about 99% sure he could post it as either alignment. faking confusion about smth it's publicly known scum has is an easy way to appear as town-ish in some ppl's eyes (it actually strikes me as something he'd specifically go out of his way to do as scum, but I don't feel that strongly about it).

either way when he jokes around early game I don't see it looking like this. he usually just fluff posts about stuff that's not game-relevant.

some people is mostly just me, and in this game it's just me saying this too. It almost never pays off for scum. I guess I could see ways he'd just say that as scum, but I don't see it as pandering.

Do you have an example of what you're talking about tho? I haven't gone on a meta crunch yet so these arguments seem distant from me.

I'm going to let go of whatevers bothering me about pie. Rest of her play doesn't really support it. VOTE: lia because I don't my vote idle and most of the active players aren't troubling me. Did you not have anyone better you wanted to vote?

[Lia]

All I've really got so far is a scum read on MS and possibly on Honey bee. I'm going to give Nacho and Alchemist a tentative town read for now for the point that Nacho raised on that, and that Alch queried. They both feel town for that. Everything else seems to be just sparring based on meta. Still getting a slight twinge about Pie from her early posts but can't quite put my finger on it.

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I'm going to let go of whatevers bothering me about pie. Rest of her play doesn't really support it. VOTE: lia because I don't my vote idle and most of the active players aren't troubling me. Did you not have anyone better you wanted to vote?

My vote would be on MS but I don't want to put him at L-1 yet which is why I'm not voting. Do you have any scum reads yet? Your read on Pie seems similar to mine. Is that from a meta read or just from this thread?

[Doduo]

that is a really big time gap for a pedit

[Lia]

I was looking back over the thread while writing my post so didn't see that post till I previewed before submitting.

[Honey bee]

My vote would be on MS but I don't want to put him at L-1 yet which is why I'm not voting. Do you have any scum reads yet? Your read on Pie seems similar to mine. Is that from a meta read or just from this thread?

nah, I don't know pie's meta, so from the thread. My reads are varying from townie feeling to slightly scumish.

[pieguyn]

I smell butthurt

this notsci? you support Marquis' scum read on MS?

like i'm pretty sure you would still make that flavor claim as scum because you have the balls to do so. and i'd imagine in this scum mechanic it'd be a great way to fly in the face of the obvious suspicion if you were scum

disagree. I didn't think about this before, but I don't think he'd go out of his way to claim flavor as scum from a strategic POV for a few reasons: 1. since scum have a flavor NK (which in this case is a strongman kill that can't be affected by anything) it naturally opens up paranoia as to why he's still alive in LYLO, which is something I'm pretty fucking sure he'd want to avoid if possible, 2. there is a nonzero chance there exists a town investigative role that acts on flavor and if he's the only one who's flavor claimed he's the obvious target for it (I'm not sure how strong this is bc I incorrectly townread zmuffin for something like this in a previous game, although in his case it was bc he just didn't think about it).

I thought it also looked town for other reasons, which I don't really want to elaborate on. either way I'm fairly sure this is just Nacho's town game

[pieguyn]

Do you have an example of what you're talking about tho? I haven't gone on a meta crunch yet so these arguments seem distant from me.

MS is known for essentially being a huge derp, and afiact he abuses this as scum to make a bunch of pointless posts and have it all be written off as "lol, derp". I don't have any specific examples of his scum play, but I've loosely followed a few games he was in where he was scum and I generally got that impression off the posts of his that I saw. the 2 most recent town games I had with him were

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=61111 (Endless Possibilities hydra) - he just fluff posts and has fun early game until he starts pushing Om. there were only I think 3 or 4 posts before that, the rest of them were me.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60046 (mental somnic hydra) - he just ignores everything (and says as much) until he starts getting reads. all the other posts that were about stuff were Om.

it might be difficult to tell individual posts apart bc both of those are hydra games. most of his games he does the former as opposed to lurking the game out, but regardless (I can link more games if you want).

I didn't mind his response to my initial push, but it's not enough to make me drop the scum read by itself. more recently, I don't like his Gaiden read either for the same reason - I don't get the impression he actually believed Gaiden is "conftown" off anything he did, and if he does, he shouldn't go back and immediately think he might be scum for meta reasons. it feels more like he's just coming up with shit for the sake of it without any internal consistency anywhere.

All I've really got so far is a scum read on MS and possibly on Honey bee. I'm going to give Nacho and Alchemist a tentative town read for now for the point that Nacho raised on that, and that Alch queried. They both feel town for that. Everything else seems to be just sparring based on meta. Still getting a slight twinge about Pie from her early posts but can't quite put my finger on it.

elaborate on both of these? (in MS' case, I don't disagree, but I want to know your specific reasoning)

[Metal Sonic]

someone let me know how good is pie's scumgame

The above seems too good to be true

[Metal Sonic]

The two most recent town games I had with him were: "w