Mini 1653: A Game of Pokes - game over

[massive]

I don't see any reason to mass claim. We've snagged ZERO scum so I can't imagine how it would be helpful.

[havingfitz]

Can someone link to a good case or two on viking?

No quick hammer would be nice too.

[Iknal]

Vote Count 3.2

vikingfan(4): Kop, randomidget, wickedestjr, massive
randomidget(1): havingfitz
Havingfitz(1): FA_Q2
Not voting: Aristophanes, vikingfan, Formerfish
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 23/05/2015 1900 UTC +10
(expired on 2015-05-23 19:00:00)

[havingfitz]

That's 4 (L-1....not L-2) on viking....c'mon mod.

[vikingfan]

Back, sorry for my absence there.

wrt viking Post 954 - You spent most of D1 and D2 on random Idgit. Why? Do you find random suspect? And if your opinion towards random is no different today than it was D1 and D2...why bemoan the fact that his wagon is not getting traction while you yourself or not voting him? As for votecount analysis...I'm a huge proponent of votecount analysis but this game has not been good for that. D1 everyone was pushing for Monkey or Oka...and they were lynched in that order. So D1 scum could have been on either wagon just as easily as the other. The D1 wagons basically cancel each other out wrt vote analysis benefit. And D2's mislynch (Oka) was at one point or another voted by everyone still in the game (except for you).

I actually think there is more room for suspicion OFF the Oka wagon at D2's end.

Yes, I still think randomidget is scummy for the most part and the only thing that is saving his bacon currently is his claim. Now that his kill failed, he is still trying to explain his missing kill as being due to a mafia roleblocker (except, how do we know one is in the setup?) It's much easier for me to believe that he simply lied about his claim and thus the missing kill is self-explanatory. Pretty much everyone hated his play day 1 and 2 and even with his more involved play now, it's not really helping him that much. That being said, if he's scum, he's also got buddies. And I thought I was voting him, my bad.

vote randomidget

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I said that I wss used to shot being conserved if roleblocked due to town of Salem.
I didn't know epm was in the game until the flip, so I checked in the title post who he replaced, and the chances are that scum killed the slot bc Saul rather than bc epm. Thetefore it makes more sense to talk about what Saul was doing. You are going to look like a dick when it turns out I was telling the truth.

This is a totally different mod and site. Based off THIS site and mod (to the best of your ability) do you think you still have a shot?

But I said I wasn't shooting kop,

As everyone else has already noted, you never said so. I'll be honest, I don't know if rando is scum or not, but this is blatantly anti-town behavior. Guess this is another of the 1 million things you forgot to post and is totally untrustworthy at this point (if we can't trust him as town on this, can we trust him as town on anything?). And I never saw a part 2 of the case on me either like you promised along with a lot of other things. But since randoscum probably has scum buddies, I will evaluate other candidates. I don't have time for an iso wall on each player so a brief rundown will suffice of where I'm at gutfeel-wise.

Rando: either scum or anti-town behavior.
wicked: leaning town
fitz: town
FF: not sure on him, the kill on slandaar night 1 would make sense if he is scum. And yes, I know, that could be easy framing as well.
Aristo: I would like to see more active playing and less sheeping, though he has been less guilty of it today than other days.
FA: town
Kop: leaning scum, especially if rando is actually misguided town, blocking rando's kill makes perfect sense to preserve himself.
massive: town.

And I concur, other than rando's wall on me, I haven't seen much in the way of a case on me either that I can respond to. An unvote would be cool so we avoid an accidental hammer. And I'm just VT.

[FA_Q2]

?

You are at L-1. It is time to claim. Why did you not claim in the above?

[Randomnamechange]

I already said why I thought I had my shot.
I didn't shoot n1 because I wasn't cinfident in my reads and didn't have to.

[vikingfan]

?

You are at L-1. It is time to claim. Why did you not claim in the above?

Did you not read my last sentence in the post?

[vikingfan]

I already said why I thought I had my shot.
I didn't shoot n1 because I wasn't cinfident in my reads and didn't have to.

right. But do you think you have your shot now? That's what I was asking. I know what you thought in the past.

[massive]

Here are my notes on vikingfan.

242 votes Randomidget for stating Kelbris is town and having no reasons for this.
496 Votes Monkey for no reason other than to get on a wagon.
526 blames the D1 wagons for forcing him to abandon his top scumread, Randomidget, despite not pushing Random other than the vote in 242. Also doesn't vote Random here.
688 moves from 'top scumread' Random to 'nowhere near endgame' Random
738 disbelieves Random's claim AND suggests directing him in the same post
744 moves from 'nowhere near endgame' Random to 'purposefully avoiding the game' Random

If anyone had any reason to roleblock Random's one-shot vig, it's Vikingfan. He knew he'd never get Random to commit to shooting Kop, and Random had already said vikingfan was a suspect in 809. I mean, he certainly TRIES to get Random to commit one way or the other, but fails spectacularly.

858 interestingly calls the plan to direct Random's kill Fitz's. Was it Fitz's idea to shoot Kop? because it was vikingfan's idea to direct the vig.

Up until 1004, he's pushed no other scum candidates and had no other town reads.

[havingfitz]

If random is not going to get support I need to look at other options.

We have ten days till deadline. If someone (

massive or wicked

) wouldn't mind inviting I'd like to do a papa (?) but it might be a few days. By weekend at the latest. Till then...

unvote

[massive]

unvote

We can win this, guys. We get one flip and I feel like the rest will fall in line.

[havingfitz]

Just noticed phone autocorrect misspells. Thanks massive.

[FA_Q2]

I will be V/LA for the next 2 days. Need to catch an MRT to Kuwait and I do not know how reliable the internet is over there. Will check in if I can

[massive]

I resisted the urge to

invite

[havingfitz]

MRT?

[massive]

Wickedest

: Does your gut read on Aristophanes have any non-gut aspects?

Aristophanes needs another prod.

I went and did my own follow-up on vikingfan calling the idea to shoot Kop "Fitz's idea" in 858. Looks like it's actually Aristophanes in [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6811513]844[/wwurl]. Not sure that has relevance.

[massive]

Seriously I even previewed that one, where did those WW's come from?

[Formerfish]

Massive what conclusion do you reach with Aris being the one to push hardest for handcuffing?

[massive]

It's not Aristophanes, it's definitely vikingfan who is running that show.

738: Do we direct him or do we forego having him shoot at all?
771: How do we know even if we are directing him that he will shoot who we want?
783: Can we replace him?
804: How do we know even if we are directing him that he will shoot who we want?
807: Can we replace him?
812: Are you going to do what we tell you to do?
843: Are you going to do what we tell you to do? (while voting him)
852: Gonna keep voting him until he says he'll do what we tell him to do
858: Fitz do you think he will do what we tell him to do?
866: Are you going to do what we tell you to do? (the Circle Yes/No edition)
882: Well clearly he's not gonna do what we tell him to do

END SCENE

Aristophanes' involvement is basically to say "if we lynch Oka, are you OK shooting Kop?" That's 762. He runs with that in 795 and 844 and moves his vote to Random to try and force it, but it doesn't feel nearly as desperate to line up a confirmed shot as vikingfan does.

[Wickedestjr]

Can someone link to a good case or two on viking?

No quick hammer would be nice too.

My suspicion of vikingfan is largely POE/gut, but here are links for the more concrete points that I have provided:
Post 172
Post 278
Post 565

Wickedest

: Does your gut read on Aristophanes have any non-gut aspects?

I townread Cheetory for the stubbornness in his awful Slandaar vote as well as for the manner in which he replaced out. But my town read on Aristophanes, in particular, is solely gut-based.

[Aristophanes]

I am so sorry everyone.

So, I have to reread Viking. I did get scum feelz there before, but need to refresh myself.

I don't think Idget is a good kill for today. He's maybe not trying so hard, but his shot failing is Wine, not immediate condemnation.
Also, I thought he stated he wasn't going to kill Kop, but he did so in a roundabout way.
Here he pretty clearly states a townread, which I understood as not having any will to shoot him.

Reading back some, and a day off tomorrow, so post will be here and good. (Or at least acceptable)

[Iknal]

Vote Count 3.3

vikingfan(3): Kop, randomidget, wickedestjr
Havingfitz(1): FA_Q2
Not voting: Aristophanes, vikingfan, Formerfish, havingfitz, massive
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 23/05/2015 1900 UTC +10
(expired on 2015-05-23 19:00:00)

[Randomnamechange]

I already said why I thought I had my shot.
I didn't shoot n1 because I wasn't cinfident in my reads and didn't have to.

right. But do you think you have your shot now? That's what I was asking. I know what you thought in the past.

As many people are coming out of the woodwork with scum reads on Viking, it is unlikely he was protected. As he said he isnt bulletproof, he is either lying which points to him being mafia, or I was roleblocked. I think it's more likely I was roleblocked, but it depends on thr mod's rules whether or not I have my shot.

[Randomnamechange]

I already said why I thought I had my shot.
I didn't shoot n1 because I wasn't cinfident in my reads and didn't have to.

right. But do you think you have your shot now? That's what I was asking. I know what you thought in the past.

As many people are coming out of the woodwork with scum reads on Viking, it is unlikely he was protected. As he said he isnt bulletproof, he is either lying which points to him being mafia, or I was roleblocked. I think it's more likely I was roleblocked, but it depends on thr mod's rules whether or not I have my shot.