Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[ActionDan]

I know. I'm probably going to default to it if these continue to be the only other choices.

OR possibly Anx wagon happens (very possible!) and then there'd be a real choice

[ActionDan]

I guess maybe FF is like, Auxiliary, because people are into his grill too

[Titus]

I know. I'm probably going to default to it if these continue to be the only other choices.

OR possibly Anx wagon happens (very possible!) and then there'd be a real choice

Anx wagon?

[ActionDan]

DV's replacement's name shortened

[mastin2]

His read on Bulba from his iso seems to be organically made in so far as the suspicion has mounted over the course of several days. Trace on TTH was pretty town too.

I cannot even understand his Bulba read. The trace on TTH is pretty scummy. It blocks TTH, obvtown likely to trace, fromgetting a result, even if true. If anything it looks like scum protecting fellow scum to me. How do you get tracing TTH as town?

^Titus is right on the ball this game.

Just like, before you fucking LYNCHED HIM, I said Bulbazak was. (No, seriously, iso me and control-f "Bulb"; you will see me say that of him time and time again.)

And you fucking want to lynch HER now, too.

Talk to me more about Deas besides Tails of You.

*cough*

Another scum-DV game I had. (Note that DV won.)

Ok. Mastin can be town too.

Two questions.

What the hell was it in 4921 that was town (there really isn't anything there)...
And why the

fuck

wasn't I already town?!?

Townbloc:
Vezok
Gamma
Cheetory
TTH
CDB
Almost townbloc:
Singer
Titus

Kick Vezok and Cheetory out of the block, and stop considering Singer. At that point, you're on the right track.

This dude knew his stuff. (And you lynched him. You. fucking. lynched. him.)

[CDB is town]
Speaking of Cheetory, I'm not sure how I feel about him. A lot of his pushes and reasoning seems off, but then there will be moments where I see his thought process at work, and it is not one of a player who knows the alignments of all the players in the game. It looks really genuine, but again, I really have a problem with a lot of the pushes that he makes. This is really a read that my entire team is having trouble on, so I'm putting it on the backburner for now.
[Shadoweh is town]
[Vezok's scum]
[Formerfish is town]
Singer is still scum.

AD and DV are town.

Well aside from the DV being town bit...again. Spot. on. Especially the longer explanations.

As I said in my previous post, there's something really off about Vezok. Call it gut, call it whatever, but I'm really not seeing a town thought process from him and every fiber of my being is telling me that he's scum here. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm still not seeing it. Cheetory is due to the fact that I'm having a hard time sorting him. I'm not saying he's scum, but I don't think he's town bloc material. Singer is focusing on nitpicky things to push while not trying to figure out thought process or motivation. She's using it as a way to make it look like she's scumhunting, but you'll notice that everything about it is off. Like I said, it reminds me of what Nacho does as scum.

because even though everyone is shouting me down, there is something fundamentally wrong with [vezok's] play, and while I can't pinpoint it, I just know that he's not town.

/through 200, btw, but stopping here for now. Will resume when I can.

[Gammagooey]

im so tired

if you want to bitch about things

please have opinions of your own that you're willing to vote on and try to convince people of

[TellTaleHeart]

Surviving townbloc:

TTH
Titus
Shadoweh

Town:

Oversoul
ActionDan
ChannelDelibird

Townish:

Gammagooey
Formerfish/Marquis

Scummish:

Untrod Tripod
Aronis
vezokpiraka

Scum:

Cheetory6
Espeonage
singersigner
DeasVail

Approximately.

Remind me why Shadoweh is untouchable, please.

[Titus]

TTH, Because there's no good reason provided to lynch her and in the early game she was really fucking town. If you disagree, make a case showing her scum agenda. I don't see it. I am open to being reasoned with, I'm telling you what I need to see TTH. If you don't do that, the odds of persuading me there's anything to a Shadoweh wagon are slim considering your last push on Bulba I felt had the same issues.

[TellTaleHeart]

VOTE: 4nxiety

I would do this or Espeonage.

[Titus]

Yeah, I would be willing to do Espy. I am not willing to do 4ity.

[TellTaleHeart]

Here, let me dig up what I said about DV.

[TellTaleHeart]

[ActionDan, Aronis, Bulbazak, GiF]

That's a pretty terrible lynch pool.

More details on this and updates:
I said it was a terrible lynch pool because it fits the profile for who scum would put in their lynchpool. There's two definite lurkers in there that's a pretty safe bet to push on: ActionDan and Aronis. They've both already demonstrated that they probably won't make much of an effort to defend themselves and no one can really justify a town read on either of them, barring role related information. GiF arguably fits into the "lurker" category too, but only in the sense that he's fairly low profile, not really making waves so far (not necessarily for lack of trying), and he's a question mark on a few other people's lists. ffery comes to mind as one of those people. This is also a pretty safe push. I refer to these as "safe pushes" simply because reasons for voting them aren't really there. Even with scum lurkers, those reasons usually exist and can be articulated, but DV hasn't really made an attempt to convincingly do so. Bulbazak, of course, has to make an appearance since DV was pushing him earlier. Even though the vote on ActionDan hasn't ever progressed past the "vanity" stage, the vote stays there even though a vote on Bulbazak (which is much more substantiated and much less neglected) would have the same impact on the overall vote count. So why is the vote on ActionDan?

tl;dr: On the surface, this lynch pool looks like a plausible team but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny and the vote placement doesn't match real estate allocation in the DV's posts.

Here's our old friend from back when DV was reportedly hitting his stride.
Two of them have since flipped town and the other two are

still

targets of convenience.

[Cheetory6]

Titus are you joking.
You're willing to vote off of the Bulba wagon but only as long as it isn't DVslot?
You've expressed that you'd at least consider Shadow and Espe now. Like.
Gahhhhhhhhhhhh.

[singersigner]

I'm particularly interested in why it's ok now for Aronis not to explain anything and what happened to your Shadoweh scumread now that people are pushing her.

I think comparatively, Aronis has provided more that made me townread him (at the end of D1), than the others who aren't providing anything. It's a compromise lynch for me because of the way it developed and fell off before, I really feel like it's another scum driven mislynch. I explained that Shadoweh's read came from my team but it's another compromise lynch. I'd actually basically lynch anyone but Mastin off of the Bulb wagon, to be honest. I like Cheetory's theory that in order to create chaos and get multiple mislynches, scum need to buzz around all of the wagons, to make it more likely that "the next best thing" aka Aronis, goes through, too.

[Titus]

And I highly doubt Aronis is town.

Hating someone's scum pool but saying it's a plausible team. Real estate allocation means nothing if DV's legit not having the time. AD hasn't pushed much, Aronis IS scum, Bulba was scumread by everyone, and GiF was lurking. So yeah, as much as I think DV's pool was mostly wrong, I still think yours is too TTH.

[singersigner]

Titus are you joking.
You're willing to vote off of the Bulba wagon but only as long as it isn't DVslot?
You've expressed that you'd at least consider Shadow and Espe now. Like.
Gahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Cheetory.

She's scum.

Protecting her buddies.

I'm not 100% ok with a DV slot lynch.

[Titus]

Titus are you joking.
You're willing to vote off of the Bulba wagon but only as long as it isn't DVslot?
You've expressed that you'd at least consider Shadow and Espe now. Like.
Gahhhhhhhhhhhh.

I'm willing to compromise but it has to be something with evidence showing how the hell we got to this clusterfuck with them as scum. I'm not seeing that with DV. Disagreeing with his scum team is NOT a reason to lynch him. People don't like being told they are wrong, even more so than finding out they are wrong.

[TellTaleHeart]

4nx's entrance hasn't done anything town-ish so far. He's actually mainly concerned with answering attacks on DV than anything else in the most misrep-y way possible.

Also, it seems off that you are now the second (or third) person who's deconstructed an argument on a replacement slot due to "lurking," when that only sumpliments it.

well what is the full argument on DV than? What I saw was he's not playing like usual, needs to be more active, replacing out, team would've helped him more...

Well you all just lynched my biggest townread, so there's that.

Why was bulb your biggest townread?
quick skim: something about him being a sleeper, was there more to it?

How about "the reads were low quality because they were bullshit."

These little cute remarks "from Ceph" aren't really doing anything for me either. If he's up with the game enough to tell you not to vote Titus he should know why I'm being treated as near conf-town.

[Titus]

I'm considering all of them, I'm just wanting something that actually resembles evidence. We did this whole cocky "I don't like Bulba's scum pool VCA" dance before. Now instead of VCA, It's lurking and not liking the scumpool.

[TellTaleHeart]

Real estate allocation means nothing if DV's legit not having the time.

No, it means a lot

especially

if DV legit doesn't have enough time. People will spend time on what they think is important.

[Titus]

Real estate allocation means nothing if DV's legit not having the time.

No, it means a lot

especially

if DV legit doesn't have enough time. People will spend time on what they think is important.

Yeah and most people value RL more than a game. So I'm not getting your point.

[Untrod Tripod]

Surviving townbloc:

TTH
Titus
Shadoweh

Town:

Oversoul
ActionDan
ChannelDelibird

Townish:

Gammagooey
Formerfish/Marquis

Scummish:

Untrod Tripod
Aronis
vezokpiraka

Scum:

Cheetory6
Espeonage
singersigner
DeasVail

Approximately.

hey dipshit, I'm Alquin

if you weren't so busy loving the smell of your own farts you would have known that

[Untrod Tripod]

alternate way of saying that:

this is a gentle reminder that I have claimed Alquin

[TellTaleHeart]

Real estate allocation means nothing if DV's legit not having the time.

No, it means a lot

especially

if DV legit doesn't have enough time. People will spend time on what they think is important.

Yeah and most people value RL more than a game. So I'm not getting your point.

What they spend time doing

while they're here

.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Anx

Mastin!!! My savior!!