Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Game over!

[Bookitty]

Whatever, I'm not sold on Andrius being town. I'm not going to accept flavor reasons at this juncture.

Screen: sangres

because people want to lynch them and I think that is a bad idea.

Why do you think both

that the game may be flavour breakable and that people should be screened based on their flavour

but that Andrius's flavour is not worthy of consideration as a reason he might be town?

[AngryPidgeon]

Probably the same reason that I don't believe in any particular definition of God, but I also find it unlikely that there isn't one.

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IDK, I could justify myself but really my thoughts are the following:
My observations lead me to believe that the game is highly based on flavor (my own role even makes me think it) which leads to potential security vulnerabilities that massclaiming + spec might expose.
My belief is that CDB and Nexus probably know better than to put shit in a game that is breakable so there is likely some sort of unexpected thing yet to be revealed. For instance, a Human in the show turning out to be a sleeper agent here.

[Bookitty]

It's also worth noting that Andrius was breadcrumbing Admiral on Day One.
He claimed it on Day Two.
Tammy was Admiral Adama and back-up admiral.
Adama was second in rank only to Admiral Cain.
There are no other Admirals in the fleet that I know of.
So what would Tammy be backup to, if not Cain?
If there was another Admiral for whom Tammy would have been backup, wouldn't they have counterclaimed when Andrius did?
Cain was absolutely a human. A horrific one, but a human nonetheless.
Both of the scum who have flipped have flipped show-Cylon.

These are the facts that we know. None of them spell Andrius-scum.

If the sleeper-agent is human? Then we don't have to kill it. We win when all Cylons are dead. Period. End of story. There's nothing in the wincon that says we have to kill humans to win.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't trust anything from PB at all, because PB is not around to post anything and isn't using Toogeloo as a voice even remotely.

PB soft-clearing Andrius on Flavor is wonky and I don't like it. But I'm also willing to tip my fedora to the fact that flavor is aligning with roles. Frankly the claimed flavor for PB is a bit sketch in that department though, so eh.

Andrius is caring way too much about PB and that is largely because PB is 'clearing' him.

His comments about his role and Tammy's really remind me of:

Spoiler:

[Bookitty]

I didn't mention PB at all, because I didn't consider that as part of my reasoning for Andrius-probtown.

I think that it's really possible that Peacebringer is the Cylon sleeper agent, but that would be really twisty and false of the mods if that does turn out to be the case.

Also, I'm not your buddy, guy! (Shout out to South Park.)

[AngryPidgeon]

So what would Tammy be backup to, if not Cain?

Nothing?

I don't want to say how likely I think it is because I know I'm paranoid and overthink things oftentimes.

Basically Andrius having Helena as a fakeclaim makes sense though he could be whoever and have whatever as his role.

Yes?

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't think PB is a sleeper agent. Well, maybe. The fact that he can't be in the thread makes him either a Mafia Traitor or a Town voteless lover that can actually clear Andrius.

[Bookitty]

So what would Tammy be backup to, if not Cain?

Nothing?

I don't want to say how likely I think it is because I know I'm paranoid and overthink things oftentimes.

Basically Andrius having Helena as a fakeclaim makes sense though he could be whoever and have whatever as his role.

Yes?

No, not really.

Andrius claimed more than the flavour name. He claimed the role.

Tammy is backup Admiral. Her flavour matches that.

Andrius claimed Admiral. If Tammy is backup to nothing, that's a bastard element that wasn't explained in the rules. We were told about one and assured it was the only one.

It would be equivalent to having a nurse but no doc in the game. It is a form of lying to a player about their role and I don't think that's what's going on.

You can ignore the Helena Cain flavour (though I think it supports town-Andrius) but I don't think you can ignore the lack of counterclaim from anyone else in the game as the one true Admiral (accept no substitutes).

[AngryPidgeon]

Having a backup role with no primary role is not-bastard. It would actually pass a normal review.

[Bookitty]

We'll agree to disagree, but I think Andrius could wait anyway. I think he's town.

I'll join you on the Sangres thing at least for now:

screen: Sangres

[NotAnAxehole]

Andrius' interactions concerning his flavour and pb make me think he's scum. I don't understand why this would at all clear him. Even if he is the admiral, he could he a cylon.

[Andrius]

I don't trust anything from PB at all, because PB is not around to post anything and isn't using Toogeloo as a voice even remotely.

Peacebringer isn't reading the game.
Peacebringer has little incentive to care.

[AngryPidgeon]

What the fuck does that prove?

If PB isn't reading the game then PB isn't reading the game.

That means fuckall about his alignment.

[NotAnAxehole]

Whatever, I'm not sold on Andrius being town. I'm not going to accept flavor reasons at this juncture.

Screen: sangres

because people want to lynch them and I think that is a bad idea.

Why do you think both

that the game may be flavour breakable and that people should be screened based on their flavour

but that Andrius's flavour is not worthy of consideration as a reason he might be town?

Andrius, you were at one point all for screening yourself, would you still like to volunteer?

This is the best screen IMO.

[Andrius]

I wasn't trying to prove anything, AP. You said you don't trust anything because he can't post - I'm adding onto that saying he's not reading because of his role, basically. I sympathize to a degree.

There are better Screen options than me. I wouldn't be opposed, of course, but there are better options. I like using it as a second lynch, but with qualifications - screening LLD is a waste. Screening sangres/AP is not a terrible move.

[AngryPidgeon]

I really want to screen sangres Today. I think its the right move.

[NotAnAxehole]

I really want to screen sangres Today. I think its the right move.

I'm not opposed to screening Sangres despite the fact I'm pretty sure I know his role and alignment. I think it's a decent screen, but not an optimal screen. If many people are thinking he's scum, then it's probably a good screen just to clear that.

Screen: Sangres

[AngryPidgeon]

If many people are thinking he's scum, then it's probably a good screen just to clear that.

That is exactly why I want to screen them. I have no idea how Boo ended up getting screened despite no one really wanting to lynch her.

If sangres is scum, great. Otherwise, we just stopped a mislynch on a strong slot.

[RIP]

screen sangres

I'm fine with this. Dude has been MIA and suspect at this point

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm only voting either Andrius or TWL for lynch today.

VOTE: The Wrong Lynch

[Nikanor]

^What changed your mind on TWL?

[Nero Cain]

vote:twl

[Nero Cain]

looks like I'll be voteless tomorrow

[Nero Cain]

screen:Sangres

[NotAnAxehole]

^What changed your mind on TWL?

It was a combination of your ideas, Mantis post and reviewing TWL's game. It's not set in stone and I'm not overly confident on this lynch, but there is no lynch I'm overly confident in right now. I think Andrius is a better lynch, but I won't have time to justify any of my thoughts properly till Monday for sure. I also don't think Andrius is a likely lynch despite being a better lynch.

Let's see if there's anything that comes from the pressure on TWL.