Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[T-Bone]

Who doesn't like playing mafia at all so his replace out was meaningless too. A player's activity has very little to nothing to do with alignment so I don't know why you and Shos continue to push those obviously wrong angles for the basis of any reads ever.

[T-Bone]

My opinion of Who is very low to begin with so I prefer to think he replaced out because he isn't a good player. I'm not discrediting your argument, I'm just telling you that regardless of the conclusion, right or wrong, you have the wrong reasons for attempting to make those conclusions. Unfortunately I've all but confirmed you as town so your alignment isn't in question anyway. You are town not because of anything Who did, mollie did, Eddie did, or you did, you are town because I blocked you, a kill happened, and you have no active ability meaning barring a strongman or ninja the scumteam would have had you made the kill. Because without that you are playing a proscum game otherwise. You come to conclusions based on things that have very little to do with the game. Your read progression is non-existent at best and all over the place at worst. You can't see the obvious IN-GAME material that should help you develop reads, you only see irrelevant things. LLD replacing out is irrelevant. Who/mollie/Eddie replacing out is irrelevant. I am genuinely concerned that scum are gonna leave the likes of you and Shos alive because you are practically blind to the happens in this thread in favor of irrelevant meta tells. I know as scum I will leave a player using meta alive every day of the week because I know their reads will be almost completely wrong.

Obviously sniping at you is not going to help, so tell me what I can do to help you.

[T-Bone]

But LLD's like or dislike of a game, LLD's commitment to the game, LLD's attitude to playing town vs. scum has nothing to do with her alignment and is no reason you should be basing a read on that slot! She and Greyice have plenty of actual substance with which to develop a read on and you're fixated on the ONE thing that is irrelevant concerning that slot!

[T-Bone]

And when confronted on your reads you shut down, and obviously that's a problem you need to do some soul-searching for. Because I'm not the only one telling you that you're wrong.

[T-Bone]

When confronted with the fact that I am probably wrong, I changed focus and I blocked Rhinox because I all but cleared two of my top scumreads, and he would have been playing a good scum game if scum.

But you're gonna drag the whole game down with you because you can't understand what is going on in the thread, and when confronted by that fact you get dismissive and shut everything down in favor of your rhetoric. It's pretty frustrating knowing that you will allow yourself to be obviously wrong and not think 'maybe I should reevaluate'. It's the same damn thing Shos is doing and now you're following suit.

I prefer to think he replaced out because he isn't a good player.

yeah he signed up to play team mafia just to replace out

You are not even trying to make sense

No that's a personal thing because he organized a big fucking hydra for Ceph's last game and then fucking abandoned it to me immediately at a time when I couldn't devote full-time to playing mafia. I was so glad he replaced out so I didn't have to deal with that. I didn't get so much as an apology from any of them for flaking on me.

[T-Bone]

No Reck, why would he do that? We should ALL be coming to the same conclusion as him all the time. I made a bunch of posts about that very thing and the only thing he could respond to is my jab at Who.

[T-Bone]

Man Reck, remember the last time we were a scumteam and how obvious we were together? He's got us!

[T-Bone]

Last team mafia. I was making a meta joke since Wisdom likes meta but it sounded better in my head.

[T-Bone]

Reck, what do you think of Grey's role claim?

[T-Bone]

Last team mafia. I was making a meta joke since Wisdom likes meta but it sounded better in my head.

Oh, Wisdom likes meta!?

He should ask mollie about whether I defend my buddies fervently and openly or bus them, then!

I don't know that he outright said it, but the basis for his LLD read is that LLD wouldn't have replaced out as scum...or something. I'm not quite sure since it's not relevant to the game state.

I assumed he's claiming cop but he never actually said what he was did he.

He did. I'll go dig up the post, because I think it's a safeclaim and I would like some opinions on it.

[T-Bone]

Yeah, it kinda doesn't work very well.

I'm the mod mistake where you don't replace players before the night ends (can I claim my role name?) and I can find out if the player has the ability to send a night action.

N1, LLD discovered that T-Bone can submit night actions.
N2, I picked the hated claim because I know 100% my role can test it, and he can't submit night actions.

To me, this sounds like a safeclaim...maybe even fake. It was common knowledge I had a night action...and it was common knowledge NotSci claimed to not have an action. So it's a safe as safeclaims go.

No, not lynching Notsci and unfortunately not lynching Wisdom, can't afford it when he is most likely town.

[T-Bone]

For the record makes me not want to lynch Ceph or Reck either for the same reason as Reck...

[T-Bone]

Yeah I know. If I'm not lynched today I already have two guaranteed votes on me (and two votes that I think are town slots to boot) tomorrow (3 if Grey is also around).

Yeaaah no way scum ever kills you Grey so don't try to play that card.

[T-Bone]

To be honest if not Grey I'd like to lynch like, Iece cause I'm paranoid. I need some townies to evaluate Shos for me, because it would be easy for me to add him onto my hypothetical scumteam, but I feel like my perspective on him is too tainted.

No way scum is going to kill one of their own Grey, I think you can sleep safely tonight.

[T-Bone]

Grey outted himself as scum

Tbone explain to me again how Grey's claim supposedly outs him as scum

Well other than I already think he is scum. His claim is safe as it outs no new information. We already knew I had a night action (at least a claimed one) and we already knew NotSci claimed hated with no night action. I mean maybe the NS thing was a calculated gamble (he could have had a night action and not mentioned it), but the way in which he came out with it provided no new insight to the game state. What did we learn? What did Greytown produce to help us lynch scum? I think Greyscum's goals was to prompt a mass claim and to get some town cred with his claim by giving out true information. On the surface he has given us truth with his claim whether it's his real role or a fakeclaim. You can't compare my claim to his either as they accomplished fundamentally different things. I really don't know what his accomplished as town. I know that at least I may have potentially cleared two slots as town, so that's something. With nine players, from my perspective 3 out of 6 potential lynches are scum lynches. I don't think Grey did anything protown, he was just trying to look town.

[T-Bone]

Also, I blocked Grey so how did he get a night 1 result anyway?

[T-Bone]

ok. That's not the meaning of "outted himself as scum". You just find it scummy.

You speak in absolutes too.

[T-Bone]

what? you said you blocked eddie

Goddammit, I need to pay attention to what I'm saying.

[T-Bone]

You said supposedly targeted and my mind went to 'he couldn't'.

[T-Bone]

I'm just not paying attention.

[T-Bone]

It's a botch all right, just not a fakeclaim or a scumclaim. I give painstaking detail to everything when I'm scum, there's no way I'd ever make a mistake like that. I might as well be confirmed town now.

[T-Bone]

*shrug* I'm still town, overeager to lynch greyscum, but town nonetheless. But let's get my lynch out of the way so he can be lynched tomorrow.

[T-Bone]

Yeah I'm having a poor game overall. My lynch is fine, if only so I won't be around for LyLo. If we were ahead I'd fight it more, but I know if I manage to dodge a third lynch and we mislynch I'll for sure be the LyLo lynch tomorrow.

[T-Bone]

We're at the point where we HAVE TO lynch me. But not yet. I'd appreciate an unvote so we can use the day more. Deadline is in 2 weeks.

[T-Bone]

Like at this point I've made too many mistakes that I can't be around for LyLo Reck. But unvote for now, and you, and only you are allowed to hammer my lynch.

[T-Bone]

Except scores changed on Day 1 so that can't be it.

[T-Bone]

oh nevermind. Apparently he controls notscience's. They switched votes.

what's the point of this

'when a mod fucks up the vote count'?

[T-Bone]

To confuse VCA? Cabd and Kasuki had roles that were not apparently useful either.

[T-Bone]

Cleared two players and outed you as scum. Certainly more than you and your slot has done.

[T-Bone]

A) Because I want to get lynched.

B) I did all of that. Cleared is a strong word, it is less likely that you and Ceph are scum than the average.

Grey, I am going to construct a post for you to use at the start of Day 4 after I flip town. I am an expert at scum so you know this post will be good for you to use after my town flip. I'll post it a little later for you. It'll include plenty of T-Bone insults with a side of blaming me for playing terrible and listing off all the reasons why I should have been scum. Trust me buddy, I got your back.

[T-Bone]

We have 13 days we're not lynching me yet.

[T-Bone]

im sick of reading your posts, i hope we lynch you asap

and i hope you flip town so i can blacklist you

Blacklist me because you have a terrible approach to this game? Alright.

Silly Grey, I'll write one better for you. You were on the right track, though you called me scum and that isn't the case.

[T-Bone]

If we mislynch someone today and I am alive tomorrow in LyLo are you lynching anyone else? Yes or no?

[T-Bone]

Is Shos? Is GreyIce? Because that's three guaranteed votes to ensure town loses this game. I am playing to my win condition because I know at this point of the gamestate if I make it to LyLo the town loses. That is the gamestate. Sometimes when you play bad as town you need to die. Sometimes when another player fucks up their night action and accidentally incriminates you, you need to die.

So either we need to lynch scum, or we need to lynch me. And since too many players want to lynch me I don't think we're on track to lynch scum today, and every time I try to reach out to you, you blow me off. That's already one town player not interested in working with me. If you're not gonna do it now, you're not gonna do it ever, and I'm not letting you lynch me in LyLo just because you're too stubborn to change anything about your game.

[T-Bone]

I blocked Rhinox last night because I was afraid my reads were way off this game. I'm not 100% Grey is scum either and I use absolute language to try and reassure myself my read is correct. I'm not a very confident town player. I'm pretty good at pretending to be town and looking town, but not so good at actually being town. It doesn't help when you, when Shos, when greyice has an insult at me every third post. We're in a fucking game and you're threatening to blacklist me if I flip town. What in the actual fuck? Players can't have a bad game? yeah I fucked up a bit this game, shit happens. But every time I try to fucking reach out to you a few posts later you go back to shooting me down so I don't know what exactly you expect of me at this point. If you want to lynch me for real that's fine, but you're actively trying to lose the game for the town by dismissing me because you can't even consider that you are wrong. So yes, you are playing bad.

[T-Bone]

Well instead of lobbying to lynch me ASAP how about we talk about scumreads as if I was confirmed town for a bit? Would that be alright?

[T-Bone]

I am increasingly paranoid about my Grey read because if he's scum he has no reason to try and 1v1 me when I was doing a fine enough job to get myself lynched. Though Grey is an arrogant player and probably thinks he could walk away from my town flip unscathed anyway.

Iece is riding the fence so hard he's starting to bleed. There has been a lot going on in this day phase and he has to yet to really make a firm stance on anything. It's wishy-washy and to be honest I was townreading him mostly because he wasn't attacking me all game.

Feel like Tier has been let to slide in the background.

I feel like Shos is sticking by his obviously bad read on purpose because he is scum.

Ceph gets a lot of secondary and tertiary scumreads and that's sometimes the sign of scum.

I don't even know about NotSci and Reck.

I'd say a scumteam of Grey and Iece for sure for their respective play, not confident enough on anyone else to group them into scum.

[T-Bone]

I don't say cleared as an absolute, I say kind of clear because of the dichotomy of none nightactioned scum doing night kills. This point is rendered moot if scum has a strongman or ninja though, for example. I only know what I did and what maybe the result of those actions were. Heck, maybe I was roleblocked on night 1. I don't think I'd receive notification of it.

[T-Bone]

I was explaining re: wisdom and his 'clear' comment. Yes that's obvious that if I'm town I'm being bumblingly truthful and if I'm scum I have an agenda.

[T-Bone]

I said I kinda cleared two slots. At the very least they are less likely to be scum because of role interactions. That's it. Not that anyone is 100% town. Just that those two slots didn't do the night kill so that decreases their likelihood of being scum a little bit.

[T-Bone]

Reck, you received a message from mollie right? What was the subject of the message (if you can state).

[T-Bone]

Shos showing off his confirmbias once again. I was beginning to miss it. I mean I explained why I blocked Rhinox but completely gloss over it so you can call me scum some more.

[T-Bone]

Loud

wait.

T-Bone, what was the track result you got

Mod Error N! Result

I just had a random thought about the track result being the contents of a fake message from another player instead, since no one else has claimed a random result today. So I wanted to confirm with you to get rid of that possibility.

[T-Bone]

If I were scum and had a messenger ability I'd probably use it to send out fake results.

But the PM said "N1 Result" and not "Event" or "Message" so I'm assuming it's an actual result.

(still supporting a massclaim atm)

Yeah that's the notion I thought of earlier, which is why I asked you.

For the record I blocked Eddie Night 1 and at the end of N! I received a message saying that Ceph was the target of a track and that it came back as Ceph visited no one, and the Mod assured me I was getting this intentionally. N2 I blocked Rhinox.

[T-Bone]

Wis I'll vote I eve or ceph when I get home but I eve is preferred for me at the moment because of things he's said this phase I don't like.

[T-Bone]

Wis I'll vote I eve or ceph when I get home but I eve is preferred for me at the moment because of things he's said this phase I don't like.

I'm guessing "I eve" is the autocorrect version of "Iece"?

Wow never trying to phone post again.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Iecerint

[T-Bone]

Prod dodge, having a shit day.

I'd like to see iece and grey lynched tomorrow when you guys mislynch me. Just a plea from a soon-to-be confirmed townie.

[T-Bone]

hey guys I'm trying to not fall behind the game and all but gf is sick and she takes a lot of my time :/

I've read up, I don't have anything specific to say; you're all theorizing your momma over who can be what and with whom and all
this is wrong mafia play guys
scum are caught one by one.

In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.

sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.

it

really

doesn't look like any new arguments are being considered. it's all blabber of, we have X events, each one rates it differently by order of importance and alignment-telling level, and it's a dead end.


I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.

I want you to know that this was so bad wgurts threw up in his mouth.

With that said, because of my difficulties of engaging with well...anything this week I've asked my now dead teammates to help me out here, so even if you do mislynch me, you'll have the thoughts of three town players to work with afterwards. I'm also going on vacation this weekend (COMMUNE) so that means I won't even be here.

Right now wgurts is doing his VCA thing (you have no idea what it looks like when the Mod nearly puts a VC on every page). His early conclusion based on that is Iece and Ceph are scum. I'm not a big believer in VCA myself so forgive me if I don't sound enthusiastic over the reasoning. I do think Iece is scum, but that's based on his play rather than his votes on Day 1...

[T-Bone]

He's alright, but VCA is about as useful as meta, but nonetheless I am going to have my team help me out a bit this week while I try to get back on track again\.

[T-Bone]

Players who trumpet themselves up in-thread are players that generally don't get taken seriously...

[T-Bone]

Wis is right that the message is clear BUT Rock is extremely right that the role and others can be used by scum to fuck up the game so this argument is moot at best.

Also I'm not voting Rock he is painfully town.

[T-Bone]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.

Dammit Ceph I love you <3

[T-Bone]

It has only just now occurred to me that the tracker probably didn't show up today on account of sending their result to rhinox

sorry for being off topic

Or its one-shot or someone was just fucking with me. Like I feel like something is wrong because compared to everyone else my role is mundane.

[T-Bone]

His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.

Dammit Ceph I love you <3

You seemed to hate me earlier! Is this half assed buddying?

just cheeky rhetoric in re:shos

[T-Bone]

Except I've had a town read on Rock pretty much the entire game so it has nothing to do with your arrogant posting.

[T-Bone]

Reck we are buddying hardcore!

[T-Bone]

Tbone I actually dont think you are scumbuddies, I think you are just wrong. That was just kneejerk.

Please. I know you don't like my ways. But consider for a second that I am right and Reck is scum.

Just as you should consider I'm right and he's town. Like I'm not completely ignoring you or anything I just think we differ on a few key reads (Grey, Reck, Ceph), and from what my teammates have read so far. I don't think his play here, especially up to this point is indicative of Reckscum.

T-Bone, I'd love it if you could take me through what the fuck actually happened with your slip-up at some point.

Just a case of me not paying attention. I felt like at that moment in time (and you can see the sequence of posts) that Grey slipped up by pushing me the way he did that I was just looking for any reason to go "aha! look at Grey continue to be scum!" and we were talking about Eddie and LLD at the time too, and I just crossed my streams so to speak.

[T-Bone]

Holy hell where did those 10 pages just come from?

[T-Bone]

ok, let me put this another way.

What is your stance on shos vs Reck?

When did this become Shos vs. Reck? (I know it was at Ceph but this was a left field thing for me)

[T-Bone]

@Reck, it still doesn't account for your approach to your power role itself. Maybe you just have a lazy scumteam. Maybe the scumteam only decided to clue-into using the role when they coalesced around a particular agenda.

Yes, my "power role". If I was scum with this role, why the fuck would I ever claim it? Why would I breadcrumb it in preparation of a claim, when it will just make me look bad?

If I have a lazy team, who does that make my teammates?

The role has been used since the start, since I started the game by giving everyone 50 points.

Being able to claim that it is your role reduces the chance that your role is a different role, so it does have that advantage. The role only "makes you look bad" because you used the role in a troll fashion -- not because of the role itself.

Why didn't you correct me or Cephrir D2 when we got all excited about the Cabd wagon getting points? Or when I alluded to Vi's game where dead players could influence a similar score mechanic by using after-death power-roles?

What is the relevance of your giving 50 points to everyone?

A lazy scumteam is not a necessary condition to you being scum, so I don't think it's productive to speculate on it.

I've seen multiple instances of you making this a talking point. Why does it matter what point values Reck assigned? Why do you think he used his role in a proscum manner? For the most part (and maybe I'm remembering wrong and I don't think so) the way that Reck secretly used the points thing was to support HIS views. When people were voting Cabd, his top scumread, he gave points to people following him and took away from people who didn't. Why does it matter that he chose to give everyone 50 points? Where is the scum motivation that you are trying to glean from any of this?

[T-Bone]

ALSO CEPH I'M RIGHT HERE SO YOU CAN CHILL THE FUCK OUT ABOUT MY ACTIVITY.

[T-Bone]

Namely, refer to my second paragraph for the answer to basically all your questions.

I asked about the 50 pounds because HE INDICATED THAT HE GAVE EVERYONE 50 POINTS IN THE CONTENT YOU JUST QUOTED. I WANTED TO KNOW WHY I SHOULD CARE.

And I wanted to know why you are fixated on that detail.

[T-Bone]

Reck was confused - why hadn't this hot cretaceous babe mauled him like the filthy descendant of a wretched shrew-like thing that he was? Why was he not being lovingly absorbed by the digestive system of this perfect, carrion-scented aphrodite?

ALSO YOU ARE NOT A THREE-PRONGED TROUSER GOD YOU DON'T GET TO POST LIKE THIS!

[T-Bone]

Namely, refer to my second paragraph for the answer to basically all your questions.

I asked about the 50 pounds because HE INDICATED THAT HE GAVE EVERYONE 50 POINTS IN THE CONTENT YOU JUST QUOTED. I WANTED TO KNOW WHY I SHOULD CARE.

And I wanted to know why you are fixated on that detail.

Also, motherfucking selective response. Who the fuck cares about 50 points? Why are you ignoring that I pointed out that you ignored content that addresses basically all your main qualms?

Apparently you fucking care about 50 points because you mentioned it multiple times. You were the one making it a talking point, and you didn't address any of my qualms in that post. I quoted it as an example so you wouldn't think "Bone is just making stuff up out of left field".

[T-Bone]

That one, mostly because this has been an ONGOING ISSUE the entire game. Like my fucking activity is pretty predictable and he's always snipping at me about it when I am obviously not around to post and are never around to post at the times he does it.

[T-Bone]

Is it just me or does Ceph whine about my posts and then gloss over them every time anyway to push his rhetoric???

[T-Bone]

Well it's seriously anti-town so STAHP

[T-Bone]

I think I remember reading back and dropping it because it was a miscommunication

I'm out now on mobile so can't check

Maybe that is the other posts I was thinking about then. I just felt like it was brought up a lot and I didn't understand why.

[T-Bone]

I did catch up, nothing else I needed to add and I need to get ready for my trip because I am woefully unprepared.

[T-Bone]

I already know if scum Ceph isn't the one doing the kill, I'd be very opposed to this.

[T-Bone]

Walk me through not wanting to block the kill...?

[T-Bone]

Being tested is one thing. I already know Ceph doesn't carry out the kill (or at least didn't N1), as town I'm wasting a block to confirm that I can block (when my ability doesn't mean dick about my alignment either way), as scum he's wanting to ensure I don't stop the kill.

[T-Bone]

I'd actually like Iece to send his track to me as there is no scenario in which I get nightkilled unless the mafia are into killing potential mislynches.

I've got some things to think about. Consider me V/LA as of this moment. I'll try to sneak a post in at work tomorrow, but otherwise I'll just try to read the thread mobile when I can on the road. Aniemen is looking at this game and once I swear him off of VCA too (you have no idea) I'll relay some thoughts. Later.

[T-Bone]

The chance of my being scum with TierShift is negative infinity. I would never permit a scumfriend to make that claim in a situation where it is unnecessary for him to be lynched.

WHOA WHOA

I don't know where the post was, but you just said scumBone would use WIFOM by saying he would never make bad decisions as scum...and now you are defending yourself by saying you'd never allow a scumbuddy to make a bad claim...

[T-Bone]

I had this thought yesterday and I'll let you run with it Wis. When I had claimed on Day 2, Iece later stated he thought I was softclaiming my own track on Eddie/You. Why the fuck as a town tracker would he sit on this thought? Would he as a town tracker believe there was another town tracker?

[T-Bone]

I had this thought yesterday and I'll let you run with it Wis. When I had claimed on Day 2, Iece later stated he thought I was softclaiming my own track on Eddie/You. Why the fuck as a town tracker would he sit on this thought? Would he as a town tracker believe there was another town tracker?

1. Why didn't you mention this thought yesterday?

2. I assumed a track because of the availability heuristic.

Because yesterday you hadn't claimed tracker...

[T-Bone]

Except that Shos claimed yesterday that he knew someone had targeted him so there is a descripency with his claim.

[T-Bone]

Also Shos' flavor claim is eerily close to Iece's...

[T-Bone]

yes, apart form myself obviously.
and it means that I did not see wisdom targetting me, and I *did* get a message, so it must have been a day action.

1. Mollie=Wisdom used her day message on Reck D1...it was instantaneous.

So I just forgot a claimed message I guess? Or he also has a delayed message, you're saying?

2. You expect me to believe that your idea of crumbing self-watcher who was not targeted is to claim self-watcher who was targeted?

I would just like to note, I am laughing my ass off that Shos had just accused both myself and Tier for fucking up our claims and we're scum for it...and then proceeds to shit the bed with his own.

[T-Bone]

T-Bone: I roleblocked a player so obvtown that scum killed him and the amnesiac tracker gave his result to him! Before that, I blocked piratemollie and Who!

TierShift: I get an ability after I use my ability, but I decided to just wait and not have an ability for awhile! Why rush!

Shos: Whether I was targeted depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Singing a different tune you are, grasping at straws. You see because when I claimed this at the beginning of the day Iece said that he could see where I was coming from blocking Rhinox.

Iece is fucking scum, needs more votes.

[T-Bone]

huh, I thought you were still defending me at that point. Alright I lose on that one.

[T-Bone]

Gosh I hope not, we need your scumflip to find your buddies!

[T-Bone]

Shos it's simple. Why did you claim that you knew someone had targeted you at night...and then claim that no one has targeted you at night?

[T-Bone]

Okay I believe him.

[T-Bone]

I believe he's a huge hypocrite for getting indignant over my claim and to a lesser extent Tier's, but I can buy his train of thought.

[T-Bone]

The only thing I don't get is that shouldn't the contents of Eddie's message tip you off that his message was not your role going off?

[T-Bone]

No, back to lynching Iece!

[T-Bone]

inb4 T-Bone claimed to have blocked me

Well....you see....



No, I blocked Reck.

Shos claimed no one targeted him night 2 and I demonstrably targeted him night 2

lol

And....you just thought of this now?

[T-Bone]

Intent to hammer Shos, because if anyone in this game deserves to do it, it's me.

[T-Bone]

Whatever, when we get Shos scumflip we can mislynch me and get it out of your systems mmkay?

[T-Bone]

Grey or Iece.

[T-Bone]

Sorry Shos, you lost me at 'MS said' because then I know to disregard the rest of the post.

[T-Bone]

I mean it's really simple regardless of what you or I or anything think of Ceph forgetting his counterclaim we all KNOW he targeted you Night 2, and you said you didn't receive a self-watch. I didn't roleblock you, and I doubt it would have made a difference to a passive role, as those generally can't be roleblocked.

[T-Bone]

Then the only other thing is the Ceph knows his action isn't actually an action that can be watched/tracked. They are kinda 1v1 unless we are just wildly misunderstanding how both player's roles work.

[T-Bone]

Oh excellent going back to that tired read.

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We KNOW Ceph isn't fakeclaiming his role. We have no idea if Shos is trueclaiming. No one has come out and said they targeted him last night either, so Shos is making shit up. Occam's Razor.

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Even if scum what incentive is there for me to lie about my target when I KNOW a tracker exists and could track me?

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We KNOW Ceph isn't fakeclaiming his role. We have no idea if Shos is trueclaiming. No one has come out and said they targeted him last night either, so Shos is making shit up. Occam's Razor.

YET DESPITE THAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING 1V1 BETWEEN CEPH AND SHOS.

Because the leap in logic that makes Shos town makes Ceph likely scum!

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Also I said

kinda 1v1

not 'WE ARE LYNCHING BOTH CAUSE ONE IS A LYING SCUMFUCK" because I'm not that kind of terrible player. So again, leap in logic Wisdom.

@Reck. The jump in logic I'm referring to is that Ceph ninja's his role or something. Notice I use the term 'jump' which requires something crazy that we don't know about to be happening that is really stupid to base a read on.

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This is really simple and I don't know why this is so convoluted. Shos is lying about his role OR I'm lying about my block OR Ceph is lying about how his role works. There should be no other sequence of convoluted events that we should even be considering. Saying that "oh this, this, and this all happened because scum worked together" is fucking stupid, because on Day 2 it would require scum to have way more set-up knowledge than was outted in the thread and the foresight to plan this encounter for a later date. None of that happened. Shos or Ceph (or me) is lying, simple as that.

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MS is spamming the fuck out of the team PT guys I'll take a while to post it and then I'll keep reading

literally nobody in this game gives a flying fuck what Metal Sonic has to say about anything

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fuck this. It's Reck/Tbone.

VOTE: tbone

*insert snarky .gif here*

probably of someone clapping.

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Technically Shos fucked up his fakeclaim BEFORE Tier did. But thanks I appreciate the implication that I would fuck up my fakeclaim.

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Reck I love you.

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Guys chill for a minute.

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Lol my scummie makes me scum. Never change MS.

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I eve wasn't going to do the kill if scum because he has his own action what would be the point in blocking him?

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If we no lynch today, that also means we probably no lynch tomorrow. I'm not opposed to the plan.

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It forces scum to kill the both of us if we're both town, as that's two chances for us to catch them each night (assuming the last scum doesn't have any role fuckery). But even then I doubt the role fuckery as 3 players who would be scum in that scenario have already demonstrated their abilities. Unless Grey just rode the hard bus (which I don't know we would have lynched shos without his confirmation). But Grey is more or less confirmed town by Iece's action, why would scumgrey target scumshos?

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lol I make sense as scum with Shos? Get real. YOU make the most sense as scum with Shos.

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From my perspective it's you or Reck at this point. I can only assume he was the one doing the night kills with no active ability so you no longer get the clear from that.

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So you want us to eliminate all possibilities but you?

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In what world do I let myself be the final scum with the poor game I have played?

For what it's worth Reck makes more sense to me right now than you do

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And I would do the kill then? Is that the implication?

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To be honest Reck I have no fucking clue. Iece tracked grey to shos. That's one hell of a planned bus.

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To be honest Reck I have no fucking clue. Iece tracked grey to shos. That's one hell of a planned bus.

I mean what else would Grey do with the role if he was scum?

I guess it does have utility as a scum role overall. Ugh I don't know.

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I am leaning no lynch as my preference right now.

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yeah, he said that his lack of result n2 was possibly because tbone blocked him.

Actually his lack of a N2 result might be because he FAKECLAIMED
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Reck if you are interested in VCA wgurts has done it for the entire fucking game. When I'm not phone posting I can relay.

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I don't think it's Grey, Wisdom is our correct lynch.

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Why does the scum team kill notsci? Why does shos kill iece if grey is his buddy? Grey doesn't need to worry about either player. Hell iece might have been lynched if still alive. He was far from the most town read. Yes he had an action that could catch scum but grey had a claim to subvert. Plus I still think it takes extra ordinary foresight to target shos just to set him up for a lynch that wasn't really on the table until Ceph claimed again. Yeah maybe they both realized Ceph already nailed him but no one else did.

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We got two weeks but consider my vote on Wisdom right now. I just don't see the leaps it requires for Grey's confirmed actions that make him scum at this stage. My VCA team agrees with me. There was a wagon on Day 1 that contained LLD, Tier, and shos, and it was like that for quite awhile. wgurts thinks based on his VCA that it's Wis>Ceph>Reck>Grey. I think Ceph has proven himself town so really for me it continues to be between Reck and Wisdom. I just think it's too convoluted at this stage with what we know to say that Grey got Shos because he is scum or Ceph got em cause he's scum. I don't think we lynch Shos without them, we lynch me instead.

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Its funny cause when I say I'm not scum it just gets ignored...

If it's not Reck then its Wisdom, simple as that. I don't think it's reck, I just think it's more likely him than Grey or Ceph.

shos also knew to claim he was targeted, which is interesting

Oh shit maybe you're right. UGH.

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We got two weeks but consider my vote on Wisdom right now. I just don't see the leaps it requires for Grey's confirmed actions that make him scum at this stage. My VCA team agrees with me. There was a wagon on Day 1 that contained LLD, Tier, and shos, and it was like that for quite awhile. wgurts thinks based on his VCA that it's Wis>Ceph>Reck>Grey. I think Ceph has proven himself town so really for me it continues to be between Reck and Wisdom. I just think it's too convoluted at this stage with what we know to say that Grey got Shos because he is scum or Ceph got em cause he's scum. I don't think we lynch Shos without them, we lynch me instead.

Gray has no confirmed action right now. The only thing that he has done is select targets for his ability that we already knew the answer of.

And when I argued this before I got "lol nope he's town".

*violently bangs keyboard*

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Ugh this game.

I declare that I am not blocking Ceph. I don't think I want to do anymore than that in case the last scum has some additional bullshit ability.

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If I get nightkilled consider it a blessing.

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/inb4imactuallyajailkeepertoprotectcephmuhahaha

You being in LyLo is better for the game than me being in LyLo. Scum should kill me so I can't get the block off.

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Maybe the Grey lynch will just end it and we don't have to worry about it.

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I'll block...Wis obviously.

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Oh hey post-game content!