Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Untrod Tripod]

Espy r u scum

quick gamma

she's gotta be scum for saying this, right?

probably not

you just said some variation of it twice which felt really forced and strange considering I didn't bother answering you the first time

It's not like it's a question that will result in anything helpful when said to even slightly competent players and I think you know and understand that

are you saying singer doesn't know that, or that espe is incompetent?

[Cheetory6]

I am reading DV/4nxISO, then AronisISO and then your case.
I'm not going to blindvote Gamma just because you're being upset at me.

[Oversoul]

UT

DV's night actions make little sense from his point of view.
He was hard defending Espeonage as town, yet he chooses to see if he is Viktor?

[Untrod Tripod]

I am reading DV/4nxISO, then AronisISO and then your case.
I'm not going to blindvote Gamma just because you're being upset at me.

I didn't tell you to blindvote him, I'm saying don't say you're not going to do it before you read the actual case because "it's not going to happen"

that's some bullshit nonsense

[Untrod Tripod]

UT

DV's night actions make little sense from his point of view.
He was hard defending Espeonage as town, yet he chooses to see if he is Viktor?

I'll agree that is strange, but DV was reaaaaaaaaaally disengaged from the game so it doesn't shock me that his actions were based on moonlogic and contradictions

[Oversoul]

He has an entire team behind him, though. Does he really not consult his team when making an action choice for the night? On my Minor night detects and the like I always ask my team who is the best person to target.

DV made an extensive post about why Espeonage was town, right before Minor Night 2. Why on Earth does he then go to target Espeonage thinking Espeonage is scum?

[Untrod Tripod]

uhhhhh

isn't the flipside of that "why would scum make such a terrible choice and own up to it"?

[Oversoul]

There is going to be a flipside to everything. I think Anxiety was under a lot pressure at the time (little time to actually post) so he made a quick claim post while he could, without realizing the extent of DV's iso.

[Cheetory6]

Oh jesus.
:/

Regarding Gamma's proposal, I've decided that I disagree and don't really want to explain why.

This was from D1 in response to Gamma saying that we should massclaim traces to figure out who Viktor is.
This kind of looks like a crumb, which makes me feel really really confused. q.q
If DVslot is scum, was he planning on claiming this role since like mid-D1?

[Untrod Tripod]

well yeah, in that it's probably his actual role >_>

[Cheetory6]

You think that if 4nx is scum that his role is "figure out who Viktor is"?

[Untrod Tripod]

I think he's town. I think his roleclaim is legit.

I want to lynch Shadoweh, Gamma, CDB, or vezok

[Oversoul]

Oh jesus.
:/

Regarding Gamma's proposal, I've decided that I disagree and don't really want to explain why.

This was from D1 in response to Gamma saying that we should massclaim traces to figure out who Viktor is.
This kind of looks like a crumb, which makes me feel really really confused. q.q
If DVslot is scum, was he planning on claiming this role since like mid-D1?

I have a different interpretation. I think this may be "I don't want people to claim traces because that outs power roles" resistance.
Also, it wouldn't actually hurt DV to say he is tracing people... since his ability is literally attached to the trace. It isn't like he has to say "my ability is this, it helps my trace". He could just trace and still be under the radar, even if it was publicly known that he was tracing.

[Oversoul]

I don't agree with Vezok being in that list.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with Gamma. I think he is town but he is like Mastin, a pretty good scum player. At any rate, a tight leash is probably necessary for Gamma. I could do Shadoweh lynch though.

[Untrod Tripod]

you don't see vezok as whiteknighting me in a scummy manner?

[Oversoul]

I see other things Vezok has down as fairly townie.

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with Gamma. I think he is town but he is like Mastin, a pretty good scum player.

why do you disagree and how is that a refutation of what I had to say

[Oversoul]

I just think Gamm is town. However, I could see Gamma being scum here doing this all to get a massive amount of claims from the town. :shrug:

[Untrod Tripod]

so you have no argument

you have NOTHING to say about all of the shit I have posted about Gamma

NOTHING?

[Oversoul]

I should probably read what you said about Gamma before I try to fake comments on it.

[Cheetory6]

I think this may be "I don't want people to claim traces because that outs power roles" resistance.

I suppose that's true, it does also kind of look like it could be him crumbing though. I was probably dumb for thinking that DV would be planning a crumb like this from ages ago if he was scum, but I'm just kind of trying to understand the hypothetical scenario of how townDV with that role would be reacting in that situation and trying to understand if it would make more or less sense for him to take this kind of stance with that role.

[Formerfish]

you don't see vezok as whiteknighting me in a scummy manner?

I see the obvious cognitive dissonance in his blind faith that you are Alquin and the refusal to even entertain the idea that Anx is trueclaiming scummy as fuck coming from Vezok. "He's Alquin? We have to save him he is town! That guy says he can literally find the main bad guy? Let's fucking lynch that shit!"

Over, are you town reading vezok or just not scum readinghhim?

[Untrod Tripod]

I should probably read what you said about Gamma before I try to fake comments on it.

[Titus]

UT

DV's night actions make little sense from his point of view.
He was hard defending Espeonage as town, yet he chooses to see if he is Viktor?

There is a certain pattern to DV's traces IMO. He picked people that others thought were scum but he actively didn't. That serves two purposes if he's right, it becomes harder to mislynches. If he's wrong, he can tell who Viktor is to the group.

Right now, I am pretty certain lynching Adonis is the right play. I think we absolutely cannot afford a mislynch. This wagon matches Bulba's far too much for me to be comfortable going anywhere near it. Is it theoretically possible 4city's scum and I have blinders on. Sure. Yet when I feel outlasted, it only makes me want to push more.

People are actually having the discussion I wanted to have now that I am not here.

Before I go again, I want to highlight one more thing...

Math for each plausible worst case scenario assuming UT town

No lynch
16 Alive at Nightfall
14 Alive at Daybreak Day 3
One mislynch, then no lynch
13 alive at nightfall, 10 alive at daybreak

Scum Lynch
15 alive at nightfall
13 at Daybreak
2 mislynches
11 alive at Nightfall
8 alive at Daybreak
Two scum lynches
6 at night
3 at Daybreak

Town mislynch
15 alive a nightfall
13 at Daybreak
Game at Lylo.

Tomorrow is important for the game state overall. Much more so than today, so I am going to try to limit myself to one post every twelve hours provided we are actually discussing things rather than acting like a herd mentality. I realize after talking with BBT that my overloading occurs at the start of the game during early read formation and when I feel ignored.

I get a few of you rely on meta overly much but we cannot afford a mislynch today. I am going to sit on Adonis because I think it is the right lynch but I am also concerned that maybe no lynching is right today.

[Titus]

*overloading = overloading

I may have edit corrections.