Open 598: GAME OVER

[Persivul]

I think our votes would have achieved much more had people been willing to wagon.

Agreed. Again, I was just waiting for the crazies to subside.

Who would you put a wagon on right now, and why? If it makes sense I'll help with some pressure.

Game breaking is finding a method in which to break the game; i.e we don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia (which funnily enough is why I join games) because there is an optimal way of playing that ends the game without actually doing anything.

Fair enough, I'm also here to play the game the way it's intended. I never understand why people try to scam video games and such. I won't post on it anymore, and really, I don't think there's a way to do it that doesn't benefit scum as much as town. Seems like the designer considered it when he made the setup.

[Persivul]

@persivul. How does it seem like a good idea to you if you don't even know what it is?

I was guessing from the context but wanted confirmation.

Anyways I don't like game breaking cause it defeats the purpose of the game for me.

Agreed.

You and YGS seem to be the most active. What's your read on YGS?

[lane0168]

Lol depends on who's talking. I seem to have an issue with reading one of them scum, but I know bbt loves his wagons from our last game. At this point im indifferent I guess. not going to label them one way or another.

[You Got Schooled]

Who would you put a wagon on right now, and why? If it makes sense I'll help with some pressure.

I haven't finished rereading yet but I wouldn't mind a wagon on GC, Newbie or you. Here's why;

GC for his absurd comments in relation to the game breaking plan.

Newbie for stopping his push on Lane when he had been given no reason to do so.

You because I don't think I have liked one single post you have made so far.

[ika]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

[lane0168]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

Not sure if serious

[ika]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

Not sure if serious

im off work today so im being dead serious.

[You Got Schooled]

180 - This reads-list from ika is painfully bad. ika could be scum.

Explanations for your reads in this post would be great ika.

PEdit - Hiiiii ika! Transparency = town? So bad.

Can you quote some posts of his that show him doing any form of scum hunting please? Thanks.

[Persivul]

@YGS: I read GC and newbie in ISO

GC seems to be honestly hunting to me.

Newbie - not so much. For example, in 72 he goes way overboard with the analysis:

It looks like scum knowing what ika will flip. If ika flips town, then lane can get town cred by not being on the lynch. If ika flips scum, then he can try and get town cred by saying he acknowledged that the lynch was solid.

[ika]

1) 180 - This reads-list from ika is painfully bad. ika could be scum.

2) Explanations for your reads in this post would be great ika.

3) PEdit - Hiiiii ika! Transparency = town? So good.

4) Can you quote some posts of his that show him doing any form of scum hunting please? Thanks.

1) well instead of potshotting you could expand on why an empty read list is bad?

2) what feels right. i just looked at everyones interactions and stuff and deduct everyones roles from it

3) glad you agree its good

4) its not the scum hunting i see from him itshis mindset of trying to understand.


are we gonna start the wagon on me again now?

[You Got Schooled]

Persivul wasn't really wagon hopping as opposed to throwing around votes all willy nilly like, he kinda hoped on ika, then voted first for sthar8. Then voted you but that was first or second?

So I don't think that's really all that related. However, he's nowhere near my town list after a quick ISO since you posed the question.

He was 3rd on our wagon.

So that's 3rd on the ika wagon and 3rd on our wagon.

Can you clarify where our vote hopping is worse than this?

[You Got Schooled]

1) well instead of potshotting you could expand on why an empty read list is bad?

2) what feels right. i just looked at everyones interactions and stuff and deduct everyones roles from it

3) glad you agree its good

4) its not the scum hunting i see from him itshis mindset of trying to understand.


are we gonna start the wagon on me again now?

1) Your reads are almost the reverse of mine

2) Nah, better than that.

3) Not a town tell at all.

4) Town's job is to find scum. He isn't scum hunting, in fact, he isn't doing much at all.

I wouldn't mind a wagon you, but not toDay.

[You Got Schooled]

@YGS: I read GC and newbie in ISO

GC seems to be honestly hunting to me.

Newbie - not so much. For example, in 72 he goes way overboard with the analysis

You don't think Newbie's push on Lane was scum hunting?

Also, given GC's current vote is based on semantics, I fail to see how he isn't overdoing it but Newbie is.

[lane0168]

I don't think I can clarify that for you ygs. For whatever reason yours stood out to me more

[ika]

1) well instead of potshotting you could expand on why an empty read list is bad?

2) what feels right. i just looked at everyones interactions and stuff and deduct everyones roles from it

3) glad you agree its good

4) its not the scum hunting i see from him itshis mindset of trying to understand.


are we gonna start the wagon on me again now?

1) Your reads are almost the reverse of mine

2) Nah, better than that.

3) Not a town tell at all.

4) Town's job is to find scum. He isn't scum hunting, in fact, he isn't doing much at all.

I wouldn't mind a wagon you, but not toDay.

1) reversed reads =/= scum

2) well then you better start wagoning me cus the ohter reason i have is probally due to the fact i know his role right now based of his interactions

3) i never said ti was a towntell? i like to think that transparency is more town oriented then scum oriented

4) well neither am i? you know the saying "theres more then one way to skin a cat?" not every townie scum hunts. im town hunting right now so i can jsut POE push

im dissapoint you wont wagon me today

[You Got Schooled]

OK, quote our vote hopping for me then Lane.

[You Got Schooled]

1) reversed reads =/= scum

2) well then you better start wagoning me cus the ohter reason i have is probally due to the fact i know his role right now based of his interactions

3) i never said ti was a towntell? i like to think that transparency is more town oriented then scum oriented

4) well neither am i? you know the saying "theres more then one way to skin a cat?" not every townie scum hunts. im town hunting right now so i can jsut POE push

im dissapoint you wont wagon me today

1) Correct, but your reads are so bad they can't be coming from town.

2) Why are you talking about a single person here? I want reasoning for all your reads.

3) Semantics. CBA.

4) OK, but you're still doing something. I also prefer to town hunt D1; Persivul is doing neither.

[You Got Schooled]

Need to see more from Sthar.

VOTE: Persivul

[ika]

1) Correct, but your reads are so bad they can't be coming from town.

2) Why are you talking about a single person here? I want reasoning for all your reads.

3) Semantics. CBA.

4) OK, but you're still doing something. I also prefer to town hunt D1; Persivul is doing neither.

1) they are bad cus they are not the same as your is what your saying right? do you understand how stupid that line of reasoning is and how wrong it is as well?

2) i already told you interactions. if you ahvent already realized its day fuckign 1 and 99% of the time on day 1 i go off gut calls and role reads.

3) *shrugs*

4) then we agree to disagree, if he gets wagoned heavy i will out the role i think he is cus its very mch follows a certain mindset that i see.

where bella? i rather talk to her then get into anothe petty smatic battle with you

[lane0168]

Lol funny cause I'd rather talk to bbt haha

[lane0168]

VOTE: Persivul

Calls for a wagon come later

I'm much more interested in wagons, so

VOTE: ika

But,
1) Not scum!
2) Because my partner is better at attracting the town-fairies than me
3)Someone without a gun? Right now, probably lane, but it's a bit early to tell.

You?

Ooo pretty wagon

Newbie is making a lot of sense right now.

VOTE: Lane

Ooo prettier wagon!

I don't know where you're going with this?

[Green Crayons]

92 - Quick note on the attempt at game breaking; can we not do that?

Thanks.

Game breaking is finding a method in which to break the game; i.e we don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia (which funnily enough is why I join games) because there is an optimal way of playing that ends the game without actually doing anything.

This is anti-town posting: finding an optimal town strategy for night actions is not "breaking" the game. Particularly when there are potential issues with the optimal strategy that both BB and ika have pointed out.

This is also pro-scum posting: pushing against a strategy that optimizes a town's night action on the basis that it's somehow antithetical to the "core" of what mafia is. By this logic, town shouldn't use PRs because with PRs town "don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia"



Vote stays.

Busy busy at work so only skimming, but this caught my attention and required a shout out.

[lane0168]

Your last vote was your first original since your rvs vote. It had a scum being opportunistic feel. I guess I don't understand where were headed here

[lane0168]

92 - Quick note on the attempt at game breaking; can we not do that?

Thanks.

Game breaking is finding a method in which to break the game; i.e we don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia (which funnily enough is why I join games) because there is an optimal way of playing that ends the game without actually doing anything.

This is anti-town posting: finding an optimal town strategy for night actions is not "breaking" the game. Particularly when there are potential issues with the optimal strategy that both BB and ika have pointed out.

This is also pro-scum posting: pushing against a strategy that optimizes a town's night action on the basis that it's somehow antithetical to the "core" of what mafia is. By this logic, town shouldn't use PRs because with PRs town "don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia"



Vote stays.

Busy busy at work so only skimming, but this caught my attention and required a shout out.

I feel the same. if ygs flips scum. You better lynch me next

[Green Crayons]

Your response to everything is "this could theoretically apply to town and therefore this is not a Real Scum Suspicion."

Congrats, you're unhelpful.