NY 184: a help (done)

[Jake from State Farm]

so is voting town

lucky for me I haven't done that yet

you on the other hand have voted 7 people, 6 if you exclude the self vote. So if you are town you have admitted to playing against your wincondition when you self voted, and you have also violated it because odds are we don't have 6 scum in this game.


Also if you were town you would know that there is no way for a townie to know for sure if the person they are voting is town or not so your definition fails on that aspect.

flail harder scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah, Elyse literally just posted a vote with no content attached to it to read into. I don't get how you read it being so terrible.- or you just dislike her having you as a scumread? But so many people are scumreading you rn

It came out of nowhere because she was townreading me

you mean when she said she was "townreading you slightly" over 300 posts ago? because other than that I don't see where she said you were a strong townread, hell even in that post she didn't say you were a strong townread...

[Jake from State Farm]

correction over 400 posts ago

[Oversoul]

Good thing I didn't say strong townread.

[Jake from State Farm]

so its strange for her slight town read on you to change over 400 posts but it was perfectly acceptable for others including yourself to change reads on a player in much less time?

[Oversoul]

When accompanied by no reason? Yes.

[Jake from State Farm]

did you ask her to supply one?

reasonless votes aren't scummy, nobody should know that more than me because I love dropping reasonless votes.

[MattP]

unless you legit believe in principle it's scummy for someone to change from slight town read -> scum read over 400 posts that's a ridiculous reason to assume her read change is inherently scummy. Why didn't you try asking her where her read changed. There was plenty of oversoul-related content between those 400 posts for her to have a read change

[MattP]

Jake cut me off

Diggin Jake this game

[Jake from State Farm]

See let's compare something.

Reasonless vote -

UNVOTE: BulgeVOTE: Jake

Reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote

Reason?

Reasonless vote -

VOTE: Oversoul

Not a reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote

So, I think Elyse has the worst vote of the last 5 votes.

What is everyone's read on her?

Hmmm.

Tempted by the Matt vote...

Instead of asking elyse to explain her vote, you instead want to ask every single person what their read is on her. That isn't optimal play, that is scum looking to see who they can rile up to get a mislynch.

Earlier you gave both pk and epm town reads because they were scumhunting you, but now elyse votes you out of the blue and this was your chance to try and scumhunt her and pick her brain to see what she was thinking and you instead ignored her and asked others opinions of her?

makes no sense. This makes you more likely to be scum

[Jake from State Farm]

also want to note that you gave epm a town read and in less than 200 posts you were willing to vote him because somebody else was voting him. I don't recall seeing any real reason from you at the time for your change in reads but i'd have to go back and double check that.

[Jake from State Farm]

RC, why do you think EPM is scum? He is trying to parse the game. He is actively scumhunting me, and he built a more structured/substantial case against you than most of the people on your wagon.

I could vote EPM with you.
I've always wanted to be in the LCS.

oh you only wanted to vote EPM so you could gain town cred.

That makes complete sense...

[MattP]

1. Read thread
2. MattP posted
2.2 Get excited
2.3 MattP advocating lynch on Flubber
3. Look over Flubber iso
4. See nothing really there
5. MattP is good player

so his push is probably good

This directly contradicts with everything you've said prior. How it actually happened was you said:

1. MattP is a good player pushing an easy lynch
2. Matt is scummy for it, doubting Matt's towniness because of his easy push

[Elyse]

*preaching hand emojis*

Also, Oversoul, I voted you in the midst of MattP pressuring you on an obvious contradiction you made. It doesn't take much brain power to figure out why I voted you. And if you really did need help figuring that out, you could've asked me as Jake said. Instead, you acted as if I was voting you out of the blue for no reason, failed to engage me, and tested the waters to see if others were scumreading me.

[MattP]

1) You said the wagon was "easy" and you didn't like my push / didn't like me prior to the pronoun issue. That directly contradicts with you being onboard with the wagon and being willing to jump onto it.
2) You certainly hit some "threshold", or so you say, where you were uncertain enough not to point out I had a misunderstanding. That directly contradicts with you thinking it was so obvious that it makes me scummy that I had the misunderstanding

1. Fair I probably shouldn't have categorized it like that.
2. I mean I thought it was obvious that there was some miscommunication occurring surrounding that post, but I wanted you two to figure it out for yourselves. You went after Flubber so aggressively that it seemed odd that you missed the post he was referring to, almost like you just chose to isolate him and then try to make a case on what you saw.

1. I don't get what that even means. Ok? So what should you have categorized it as?
2. Again again again, this doesn't make the contradiction go away. You said, QUOTE

I would have spoken up earlier

but

I didn't want to answer

for Flubber

since I wasn't 100%.

You didn't say, "I didn't want to answer for Flubber because I didn't want to get in the way"

Now you're just changing your story

OS never responded to this post, because

there's no way out of it

[MattP]

If jake and I were a scumteam this would be the most evil maneuver ever

But we aren't

But still, just ~~*imagine the beauty of it*~~

[Lostaway]

Tbh it kinda baffles me that anyone could possibly have any sort of valid read on me.

ie, why are you voting me, you shouldn't be able to know I'm scum.

ie scum caught for the wrong reasons.

This is like my SC2M Mafia strategy where I basically claim jester and disrupt town so much nothing can get done.

You know why wagons aren't going up on anyone? Because scum are being hyper brazen and disrupting town's ability to communicate.

You know how we stop this? we fucking lynch scum. We lynch Jake we lynch EPM. Bulge can wait.

VOTE: JFSF

This is ghastly.

First off, there's no one more hyper brazen in this game than you. Secondly, while Jake does seem easily riled (by

you

) how does EPM fit this profile? He's made like two posts addressing the Bulge wagon, with one side bit on Oversoul, and the rest have pretty much been focused on you. Appropriately, I should add.

[Flubbernugget]

I would actually love to know why YOU think I'm scum OS

Flubber push was bad bad bad. Like I said earlier, I would expect you to not go after a weak player like that and misunderstand an obvious post. It looks like you want to scum read Flubber, but don't actually believe it yourself because you know Flubber isn't scum.

Your whole push against Flubber didn't sit right with me.

I'm not caught up but this needs to stop. A weak player can still look really town and not be a "low hanging fruit" mislynch

I'm not a strong player but I have a track record of making it really far into games and being a pain in the ass to get a wagon on as town

[Oversoul]

1) You said the wagon was "easy" and you didn't like my push / didn't like me prior to the pronoun issue. That directly contradicts with you being onboard with the wagon and being willing to jump onto it.
2) You certainly hit some "threshold", or so you say, where you were uncertain enough not to point out I had a misunderstanding. That directly contradicts with you thinking it was so obvious that it makes me scummy that I had the misunderstanding

1. Fair I probably shouldn't have categorized it like that.
2. I mean I thought it was obvious that there was some miscommunication occurring surrounding that post, but I wanted you two to figure it out for yourselves. You went after Flubber so aggressively that it seemed odd that you missed the post he was referring to, almost like you just chose to isolate him and then try to make a case on what you saw.

1. I don't get what that even means. Ok? So what should you have categorized it as?
2. Again again again, this doesn't make the contradiction go away. You said, QUOTE

I would have spoken up earlier

but

I didn't want to answer

for Flubber

since I wasn't 100%.

You didn't say, "I didn't want to answer for Flubber because I didn't want to get in the way"

Now you're just changing your story

OS never responded to this post, because

there's no way out of it

I probably should have said the wagon was on a weak player to make it more accurate.
If I interjected, I could have potentially given Flubber a way out of it and I wanted to see how things played out.

[Oversoul]

1. Read thread
2. MattP posted
2.2 Get excited
2.3 MattP advocating lynch on Flubber
3. Look over Flubber iso
4. See nothing really there
5. MattP is good player

so his push is probably good

This directly contradicts with everything you've said prior. How it actually happened was you said:

1. MattP is a good player pushing an easy lynch
2. Matt is scummy for it, doubting Matt's towniness because of his easy push

I didn't start thinking it was a bad push until later. How many times do I have to say this?

My initial thought was this wagon might be good! Then after watching it gone it turned into me feeling bad about that wagon.

[MattP]

I didn't start thinking it was a bad push until later. How many times do I have to say this?

My initial thought was this wagon might be good! Then after watching it gone it turned into me feeling bad about that wagon.

You said it was a bad push

before

you said you would vote Flubber

So, no, it doesn't work out

[Oversoul]

I did? I don't remember it being like that

[MattP]

I mean sure. Flubber is lurking/coasting/not giving any content. Would I cry at his lynch? No. Would I support it if I had to? Sure.
I find it odd that Flubber is the first player you go after. I would think you would go after someone who is tougher to lynch (although Flubber seems to be difficult to corral interest around).

Depending on town power, this might be 10:4, but I think 10:3

RC is doing nothing with my vote.
I may join you soo Matt

[Oversoul]

Oh. I don't know then. Probably just wanted to sheep you regardless

[MattP]

I think it's zany that this is so humiliating scummy and there's not a big wagon on OS

Probably because he's scuuum

Associative tell this shit up tomorrow