BBT 15 wrote:I wish you would stop this. RVS wagons are good.
BBT, I think we have a very easy-going relationship on this site. We either know one another as town, or we fight to the death. This is a bad start for you, friend. Not speaking to the accuracy of the comment, but there was no reason to attack PB over his vote here, imo.
Same with Sotty in
20. I do not like these PB attacks. It's doubly bad knowing that PB is town. I wonder which of you two knew his alignment before he flipped?
24 is another bad BBT post. Overly abrasive. Especially since after saying it he gets lovey-dovey with Scarab (the person that left the ABR wagon).
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Juls 35 wrote:Why ABR as an RVS wagon? Do we really think someone as experienced as ABR is going to crack under the pressure of RVS? He's a bit of a veteran. I think the ABR wagon is a waste of time.
Odd comment. I don't like this getting close to ABR so early, especially given that ABR hasn't posted yet.
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Sotty 48 wrote:Right now I'm feeling flexible.
Or maybe charitable is the right word.
What is this? Am I in the twilight zone? All these posts sound scummy to me. Sotty-BBT-Juls team.
What are you addressing here, Sotty? Flexible how? This just doesn't read like a determined townie. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but I don't like it.
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Skold 60 wrote:Bloody kiljoys...Oh yeah, in past games I've heard of something called ''crumbing'' and there wasn't a mafwiki article on it. Hlep?
Y'all think this is fake?
I like the interactions between Clusk and Skold,
62 and
63. Townpoints to Clusk and scumpoints to Skold.
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Scarab's
85 is scummy. I don't like him smacking down two wagons without explaining why. His calling out PB is bad for two big reasons: 1) PB is town. 2) He's just sheeping ABR. The same ABR that he was voting earlier and who BBT tried to get him to be more firm about.
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BBT 88 wrote:Not really a fan of jumping off wagons when they're just getting started.
Now we can start saying that. Townpoints for BBT, scumpoints for Scarab.
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I like Zoronos so far:
98,
100.
Juls'
107 is heartfelt and I think it comes from town.
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Peace 132 wrote:skold is low hanging fruit, Juls jumped on the low hanging fruit to the point of trying to push it to a wagon...
Justify Skold as town.
Peace 142 wrote:you know there are certain experiences that cannot be discussed, right? I don't know for a fact in this game that he is, but I can make a conclusion based on my limited knowledge..
lolwut
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Skold's
152 reads very town.
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Sotty 161 wrote:Don't really like Garmr chiding the IC outage, I really don't think it is such a huge deal honestly. Not overly sure why he does. Seems out of place.
Agreed. I also love the point about Peace. Townpoints for Sotty.
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Juls 169 wrote:@Peacebringer - Can you please explain the following sequence of events for me:
1) vote for Juls (no reason)
2) unvote Juls (cause low hanging fruit?)
3) made aware that I have been around awhile
4) doesn't return vote to Juls
This. This. Thisssss.
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Goodness this is horrible. No wonder the game has stagnated. I pity the town that is saddled with this person as an IC.
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Sotty's
202 is so on point. After a bumpy start, I'm comfortable calling her town.
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This is so bad. I don't even want to waste time talking about it, but it's hard to resist. I hope anyone that reads this game either now or in the future hears me when I say this is absolutely how NOT to play as an Innocent Child.
"But... I didn't hammer... I only put him at L-1 because I was doing what everyone else was doing!"
Jeanne, I do not recommend that you continue playing Mafia until you actually want to contribute and be your own person. If you don't want to commit or take the time to think for yourself, then please just do not sign up.
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Scarab 226 wrote: Well
I'm happy that Garmr's dead but now I have no one to be frustrated at and it feels hollow but ABR's post to open the day was beautiful.
I dislike this post because there's no vote. There no passion. ABR's initial post struck me as town because at least there's some passion. Sotty's initial post and she tries to prod Jeanne.
This one sticks out. Juls' opening post is pretty poor, too.
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Juls 232 wrote:Also, why exactly am I being blamed for his lynch? There were 2 votes after mine and a few before.
One, take responsibility for your vote. Just because you weren't the hammer doesn't mean you get to blame everyone else on the wagon (as this post attempts to do). Two, you are way too defensive-minded in your opening posts today. Where's the offense? Why are you not pissed at others on your wagon? Or those that ignored it? Where's the fire?
ABR summed it up real well, actually. In a way it seems like he's the only one actually emoting genuinely as well as trying to get the game going. Juls and Scarab almost seem like they forgot that the town was supposed to be upset coming into D2.
Juls 236 wrote:As for who is scum, it's hard to scum hunt when most of the attention is pointed at you.
Nope, don't buy it, Juls. I was with you on the IC thing. That was indeed bogus. Now you are sounding like Jeanne. You had two votes on you. Half the game hadn't even checked in yet. The best time to scumhunt is when the pressure is on, frankly. I won't let you get away with this self-pity thing.
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BBT's
242 -
252 strikes me as town, but I wish it was organized a bit better.
Yeah, I like BBT's start to this day as well. I'm going to put Sotty and BBT in my town pile as of
263.
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Scarab 264 wrote:I don't like this. Using my emotional response to Garmr to call me town on the basis that he "doesn't see a good scum strategy there" reeks of ascribing motivation based on knowing my alignment. Or...let me put that another way: I think looking at emotion and thinking "that looks genuine" makes sense, but looking at emotion that looks genuine and thinking "hmmm...what scum strategy might there be for this?" seems a bit ridiculous and I don't think that's something someone would be likely to post if they actually thought about why I did what I did.
Huh? I don't follow this at all. I think it's perfectly rational for a player to consider whether or not someone would say "X" as scum or not. I also don't like that you're ducking the Juls wagon. You should be on record whether you support it or not. This post seems out of left field and as though your are cherry-picking what to respond to and what not to.
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Sotty's
269 is so townie it hurts.
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Scarab 283 wrote:I saw your question when you posted it the first time and I'm choosing not to answer it. We both know you're asking me things about clusk to skate around the point that you noticed his strange question earlier and didn't push it and I'm not interested in letting you do that.
So you don't want to talk about Clusk... you don't want to talk about Juls... you don't want to talk about ABR/BBT... You attempting to shut down all discussion that you don't deem worthy is anti-town.
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Zoronos 284 wrote:You're likely town because killing the dude (thus confirming his alignment) who called you scum and that you got into a fight with (without responding to his allegation), and then posting that you were glad he's dead is not good scum strategy. It's completely unnecessary attention, especially reveling in the death of a PR (normally I see scum just ignore it or ham up 'oh that's terrible that they're dead'). I would hope I'm not the only person that reread the dead town to see what their perspectives were, and that fight is hard to miss in his ISO.
Unnecessarily painting a bullseye on yourself strikes me as unlikely.
You do realize that there's a 99.999999% chance that scum didn't deliberately kill "the dude" (that dude being Garmr).
That said, this is a townslip more than anything.
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Scarab 288 wrote:Vote: BBT
Oh, this is priceless. You vote the only person taking the time to go back and actually try to solve this game.
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ABR 290 wrote:Whatever man, your logic is extremely roundabout and dubious "Albert is scum because he's voting Juls who is town because Skold is scum and he's voting for her". Oh yeah, lest we forget, you also pointed out that you think Juls is town because of the post she made D2 where she says you are one of her two townreads. This I rub your back you rub mine dynamic is unsettling.
I agree to an extent, but, as an outside party, I think y'all are butting heads out of pride. ABR sees no need to elaborate on his Juls vote because he thinks it's getting some good reactions. BBT sees no need to elaborate on his ABR attack because ABR isn't giving in and fulfilling BBT's need for analysis.
Town on town.
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Sotty 298 wrote:No. You said ABR was playing badly. You also seem to have a scum read on him.
Or did I miss read that?
Sotty, I think you mixed up your names in
296 unless I am misreading it. That's why BBT was confused, I think.
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BBT 300 wrote: I know ABR is a good player, I can only assume this is his scum play.
Stop it. You're acting too proud and it's going to get you into trouble. I'm not saying ABR is town necessarily, but he certainly isn't scum based on this.
I don't mean for this to sound like I'm lecturing, but you need to understand this is a playstyle thing. ABR is clearly trying to provoke reactions.
It's frustrating me because I think the most likely scenario is that y'all are both town and getting into a scrap that is drawing attention away from my most likely scum candidates.
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Scarab 311 wrote:tbh my day 1 scum team of choice was brain-garmr-BBT where BBT was kind of a filler gut read and then brain flipped town and garmr died night 1 and was town and i'm basically mirroring BBT this game and i don't fucking know why and i don't have any goddamn idea who's scum anymore
So your reaction to two of your scumreads flipping town is to vote the third one and not reassess anything at all? :/
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ABR 314 wrote:Do you realize how you're coming across? You're in some weird tunnel vision place. I'm not mad at you bro. I'm letting you work it out. I'm going to retract back and let you sort your emotions out and take a first look at the big picture. Once you're done and good, then I'll talk to you. Go do your thing. I'm logging off for the day.
Yeah, okay, I'm good with ABR, I think.
Man, I'm going to try my best to get a BBT-RC-Sotty-ABR bloc going. I'm telling you guys, we have this game in the bag if we all get to that spot this game.
ABR 332 wrote:I guess I could swing a vote Skold's way if there's momentum. If everyone in the game voted, that would be a start.
Skold would not be a bad lynch, but I'd like to hear more from him.
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Zoro 343 wrote:Yes, I want to vote him. No, I don't want to put him at L-2 after yesterday's hammer shenanigans.
My vote is symbolically present. I want to talk to him and get answers before I put him into hammer range.
This seems town. I don't like how non-committal you are on Juls though.
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I will say that I do like Scarab's
349. This may be the first post I liked from him all game. Unfortunately my mind is already moving toward confirmation bias and seeing that his Skold defense is an effort to dissuade that very pro-town Skold quickwagon.
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BBT 353 wrote:Are you interested in joining a Skold wagon?
I'm not opposed to it. I'm not sure about joining it just yet.
That said, given the makeup of the wagon, I'd be hardpressed not to support it.
The main issue I have with it is that I just don't know enough about Skold. His posts are a mixed bag. I like some and I dislike some. Whereas I have very clear scumreads on Scarab and Juls. I also think Peace is more scummy.
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sns 367 wrote:Couldn't handle the pressure. Everyone pile on!
Lol, I like playing with sns.
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Sotty 371 wrote:Why did you vote Juls then?
Great question. Hi, Sotty!
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sns 372 wrote:That was a joke. You took that awfully serious. You wanted to vote her, and then when someone makes a "bad reason" you unvote them? Are the reasons you voted Juls in the first place suddenly gone?
Great point.
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Scarab 373 wrote:I was voting Juls because I wanted a counterwagon and tbh I didn't notice that she said she might replace out :s
I think this is untrue, but even if it's true, you're dodging the question. What does Juls replacing out have to do with her alignment anyway? The slot is scummy or it isn't.
I suspect the real reason is because you wanted to take the pressure off of Skold based on
349. I'm curious why you didn't just say that.