Open 598: GAME OVER

[Green Crayons]

Well that reason is dumb.

The "aloof" business is just gut, and I can support the gut of a player whose judgment I trust for a D1 lynch.

[Green Crayons]

Particularly because it coincided with another player's suspicions which I also trust.

[Newbie]

How would it be a gut feeling that I'm being aloof? That doesn't make sense. I would have to "physically" show aloofness somewhere in my posts.

Also, I'm getting a "gut" feeling that you're just now thinking over all of his reasons.

Are you going to change your vote to sthar or are you keeping it on me because of anti's gut feelings?

[ika]

How would it be a gut feeling that I'm being aloof? That doesn't make sense. I would have to "physically" show aloofness somewhere in my posts.

Also, I'm getting a "gut" feeling that you're just now thinking over all of his reasons.

Are you going to change your vote to sthar or are you keeping it on me because of anti's gut feelings?

based of how we feel?

like its not that hard

[Green Crayons]

No. What I'm saying is that Anti used the term "aloof" as shorthand for "gut." He never said that, but that's how I'm characterizing it. When you challenged him on aloof, he was basically (paraphrasing from memory) "I don't know, that's just what all I feel."

I'm not particularly interested in voting sthar. I'm waiting to see if Anti is going to flop back into my lynch pool. If not, I'm switching my vote to YGS or Persiv.

[Newbie]

Eh. That explanation sounds a bit like reaching.

[sthar8]

I have not read anything, but I promise I will catch up today and tonight. The last 24 hours have been crazy, but everything should be back to normal.

[Antihero]

you're a bad kisser

[sthar8]

VOTE: Antihero

LAL

[sthar8]

has sthar figured out a way to break the setup yet?

I had an idea pregame but it was based on a misread of the setup. I'm toying with pairing the town off, might be better than a circle.

I think Anti is playing pretty solid, but I can see why you might think differently.

hate

I'm starting to like persimmon. dont want to lynch him today.

Because his underwhelming performance + his unnecessarily aggressive response to lane concerning lane's vote on him.

This is shit.

i'm p sure sthar's middle name is "unnecessarily aggressive"

assuming he's town (or, fuck, even if he's scum) GC is a pretty conservative addition to the list because he hasn't exactly towned it up. so...yeah... no cookie for you there.

Nice confirmation bias.

Nice buzzword. Can you define it?

Hey I haven't read anything but

I believe optimal strategy is to plan out our visits tonight and to have two players visiting different people.

Player A and B visits Player C
Player C and D visits Player E
Player E and F visits Player G
Player G and H visits Player I
Player I and J visits Player A

This prevents PGOs from activating without confirming them as scum and allows cop to get reports relatively safely.

It also may be optimal to no lynch and then do that twice?

@BB- the coordination required by your plan limits it's effectiveness as a deterrent to scum. They will know if they can use their shots to autowin, town will not. I am not okay with that. Also, under no circumstances should JK out on a single blocked kill. That's insane.

under bbmolla's original plan, the absolute MAXIMUM number of town scum could possibly take out is 5. that's not enough for an autowin assuming a no-lynch. in this case, activating pgo's gives scum more kills, but at the trade-off of narrowing the lynch pool considerably. that's a pretty strong deterrent.

Once. We no-lynch, five kills can happen at night which puts us at five players with two conf scum. Party time.

But if we do it twice, scum does nothing but nightkill the first night. The second night, we have 9 players, five kills happen and we fucking lose.

EV is medium night one. We trade one nightkill, which depends on the proficiency of both scum, for one cop investigation, which depends on the proficiency of the one cop. Night two, it's catastrophically bad. BB suggested going to night two.

Oh hi, a BoP wagon because antihero is bad at math.

[sthar8]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Newbie

BB's plan isn't worth dropping a lynch. We guarantee that scum won't use their PGO, but they similarly won't if we pair or circle and we still get to lynch. We can't do it twice because then we might lose, and two free investigations is the only reason it's worth considering.

I agree with just about everything antihero said up until he broke out the crazy-chalkboard where 1+1=5. He's going to get paranoid about that being buddying at some point, so I should evolve my reads subtly so he doesn't freak. But I can't be bothered with coddling right now.

town: {lane, anti, BB}
idgaf: {ika, parasol, canyons, Z}
scum: {newbie, YGS}

[Green Crayons]

I don't know sthar.

But I like it.

[Newbie]

I love how all of my reads or reasonings are called shit. When I flip as town, I wonder if that will pertain to the ones who lynched me for "convenient suspects" and being "aloof" as well as the ones who agreed.

I'm thinking that part of it is arrogance and another part of it is scum trying to donwplay everything I say.

[Newbie]

Nice buzzword. Can you define it?

He's obviously twisting things around to fit into his narrative.

town: {lane, anti, BB}
idgaf: {ika, parasol, canyons, Z}
scum: {newbie, YGS}

This is completely horrible, btw. And scummy.

[Green Crayons]

Because it conforms to general thread sentiment?

[sthar8]

Nice buzzword. Can you define it?

He's obviously twisting things around to fit into his narrative.

Okay, can you try again and define it

correctly

?

town: {lane, anti, BB}
idgaf: {ika, parasol, canyons, Z}
scum: {newbie, YGS}

This is completely horrible, btw. And scummy.[/quote]

I love how all of my reads or reasonings are called shit.

Double standard.

[You Got Schooled]

Will try and get to this game at some point.

Not sure when.

Would love explanations for all the scum reads on our slot though.

Seriously, that's pretty bad.

~BBT

[Newbie]

Because it conforms to general thread sentiment?

No, because it's pretty lazy.

Okay, can you try again and define it

correctly

?

It was summed up pretty correctly. I'm not playing this silly little useless game with you.

Double standard.

I'm the not the only one pulling a double standard.

[Green Crayons]

I have no idea what you're saying w/r/t double standard, which isn't something I said.

[Green Crayons]

Because it conforms to general thread sentiment?

No, because it's pretty lazy.

Explain the difference.

And when you said it was completely horrible, did you mean alignment indicative horrible?

[Green Crayons]

I have no idea what you're saying w/r/t double standard, which isn't something I said.

Oh I see sthar said something about a double standard.

How you ended up quoting me as saying something posted by sthar is a mystery.

[sthar8]

Tu quoque. Stop it.

P-edit @newbie

[Newbie]

Because it conforms to general thread sentiment?

No, because it's pretty lazy.

Explain the difference.

And when you said it was completely horrible, did you mean alignment indicative horrible?

It's pretty alignment indicative horrible. I don't see how I come off as going after easy targets when he basically puts the two people who are already in the hot spot in his scum pile and the three people who are pretty much agreed upon as town by most in his town pile while not even having anything to at least say about Persivul or you.

[Newbie]

I could understand if he was trying to take his time and was going to say something about the people that he doesn't care about after catching up in the thread, but he made up his mind and threw down a vote.

[sthar8]

Hey Newbie, did you read my ISO and the thread before voting me?