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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:34 am

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In post 142, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm thinking its likely your scum at this point for being so sure I am scum

Note: I'm currently in the middle of reading through the thread so I am not completely caught up yet but... the only response I have to this is "Really?"

I'm considering a vote just for this sentence alone but like I said, not done reading. Just wanted to say that that right there screams red flags at me.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:40 am

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Lq is scum faking daft
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:41 am

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Again, I don't have the energy to play IC here, so just going to skip challenging you on habits and assumptions from years of experience elsewhere.

In post 199, LicketyQuickety wrote:How do you know my current vote is to keep people from voting that person? That is your claim at least.


My bad if it wasn't, but it came just after you were talking about how you voted Narninian in order to discourage votes on Narninian, so I assume you can see why I interpreted 'get in before a bandwagon on Saint' to mean 'let's stop a bandwagon on Saint by voting for him, because apparently that's how I do things'.

I have absolutely no read on you art this time.


You should get one. Do you think I'm town genuinely trying to figure you out?

It was an after thought and the thought occurred to me of the possibility when I reread the thread. That's the answer you want right?


Why would I ask the question if I wanted a specific answer? I wanted you to answer truthfully, so that I could better understand your intentions in this game.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:42 am

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VOTE: liquetyquickety because of the town being better off without him even if he's town aka policy lynch.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:43 am

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Vigs should by all means feel free to off LQ Tonight, but I'd rather aim to lynch scum Today.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:46 am

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He's likely scum trying to push what he views as easy cases
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:47 am

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AW, C'MON BIRD!

SHIT.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:51 am

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Believe it or not this is the closest thing I've had to a power role in like ten games
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 10:58 am

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In post 206, Hostile Intent wrote:AW, C'MON BIRD!

SHIT.


Meh. I like the intent of your case but not the meat of it, and I think Saint's characterisation of him as survivalistic town looks accurate so far.

Anyway, let's get on with something else.

UNVOTE: Narninian
VOTE: Sinsun
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:02 am

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Saint, what's the flavor of your role?

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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:03 am

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kk so I'm trying to find literally any conversation without Lick in it (bc I want to try to read other people) and it's the hardest thing ever. From what I can see I like Hostile, I think they're probably town so far. As far as I know I'm okay with Maxwell. I'm wary of Sinsun because I find no lynches on Day One to be a complete waste of time (reading back, the immediate 3rd party assumption is a bit sketchy but I can see where he's coming from). I'm in agreement with Channel, I'd rather Lick be Vig'd than lynched, I was just thinking that earlier.

That's about all I can get a read for at this point.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:19 am

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Am I allowed to name claim and such ?
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:23 am

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I'm a pencil pusher who isn't important who had himself kris jennered to look like a heinous war criminal relating to the keeping up with the cardassians because I feel guilty about how they treated the bajorans...
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:26 am

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Vote Count 1.04 - Up to post 212


LicketyQuickety[4] -Marcrell, MaxwellPuckett, Sinsun1, Saint
Senator[2] - PeregrineV, Peacebringer
Saint[2] - davesaz, LicketyQuickety
Hostile Intent[1] - The Archmage Ludicrous
Peacebringer[1] - Nero Cain
davesaz[1] - zabing12
zabing12[1] - MaxwellPuckett
Sinsun1[1] - ChannelDelibird
Narninian[1] - Hostile Intent

Not Voting(9): Millar13, Jeanne11, RIP, Jamierus, LittleGumball, Narninian, Senator, Saint, Hostile Intent


Mod Note: Vote Count history is being kept on post #2 on front page.

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch
Day ends Wednesday, June 3rd, at 2:30 AM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:27 am

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Yes you're allowed to claim flavor. You just can't quote your PM. Please claim your full name.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:31 am

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Well, congratulations on having a claim from the best episode of the season. That looks pretty legit.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:37 am

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In post 162, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Way to make a 180 on you 1st day policy on lynches.


Really?

In post 150, Sinsun1 wrote:
I may change my vote if something comes up that cannot be ignored,


Skim much?

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As far as the third party assumption, it really is not that far of a stretch. What happens if we didn't guess his name by Day 3 or he got killed before then? Do any of you stop and think the dangers of something so obvious? I am wary of his role as that is an oddity. What benefit does town get from guessing his role? Or better yet, what disadvantage does it put us at?

CDB quotes the question with a "I can see myself voting sinsun soon". Because nobody else actually thought about it? A game THIS size to not have some sort of 3rd party in play would be insane. Your guess is as good as mine as to which 3rd parties are in play and the host has even stated himself, a game this size, he may create his own roles separate from the wiki. So noted as not wanting anyone to analyze the fact that a 3rd party most likely exists.

All this talk about a vig and people hopping off so quickly. The point of votes is to initially get a CLAIM from a scummy player. Then if we deem their playing to be scummy compared to their claim then we go in for the lynch/vig.

Saint claiming Miller this early on with no real pressure? Noted and questioning motives there.

Also LQ... "failsafe vote to keep others from voting him". Your logic is so flawed it's almost a policy lynch at this point on you unless your claim is good I am staying on with my vote.

Those hoping off the LQ voting, obviously their reasons are not the same as mine. At this point LQ is either going to be a useful town PR or a dead man walking with his poor threats towards others.

FP'd 5 times: No Lynches Day 1 provides the max usage of PRs in the night. My question is, out of ALL of the games you've ever played, what is the percentage you've lynched mafia during Day 1 while being town? I assume it's under 50%. The chance of killing off a Town PR Day 1 in a game this size is much higher than 6-10 player games.

I find people who push Day 1 lynches turn out to be scum more often than not. Pressuring for a claim or 2 or if someone is SUPER scummy throughout the day (or town would be better off without them) then voting someone is fine. But to just random vote and hope to get mafia when you have no clue what sort of roles are in play, ha. I don't know how many times I've witnessed Doctor, Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vig, Mason, etc being taken out Day 1 due to poor "reads". I'd prefer them getting some info in the night to use when they are being put up on the block the next day so we get at least SOME information to work with instead of complete WIFOM Day 1.

But if you're some superb scum hunter and have lynched mafia over 50% of your games Day 1, please link them all to me. I'd be glad to have such a pro scum hunter pushing for a Day 1 lynch. If you cannot produce that request, then kindly bugger off and realise we both have our own opinions on Day 1 lynches.

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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:41 am

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In post 170, davesaz wrote:I see my vote isn't wasted.

What the heck is a "negative town role?" A town aligned role that is bad for town? A town aligned role that you personally dislike?

I don't mind talkative players. It's not like someone posting frequently should affect the ability of others to post.

Pedit: Nero's on the ball, that's a good question.

Bastard roles, i.e. Hated Townie, Insane Doctor.

On the topic of LQ, I'm with others in that he's likely not scum, but I wouldn't mind at all for vig to off him tonight. Not going to vote for him though, because I'd rather search for scum during the day than jump to a quick majority on someone who's probably just an annoying townie.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:41 am

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No, seriously. Its mathematically bad for town to no lynch D1 with ms.net setups because town is then afforded one less lynch and, therefore, one less slot's information on vote counts et cetera.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:45 am

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Yeah Day 1 lynches can ALWAYS be used to find information.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:45 am

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In post 218, Hostile Intent wrote:No, seriously. Its mathematically bad for town to no lynch D1 with ms.net setups because town is then afforded one less lynch and, therefore, one less slot's information on vote counts et cetera.


Exactly. One less mislynch when we have REAL information and one less Town PR for N1.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:46 am

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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:48 am

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In post 219, LittleGumball wrote:Yeah Day 1 lynches can ALWAYS be used to find information.


Yeah, we can find out mafia is laughing their asses off and town never learns from the first time. We can get MORE information from N1 with all of OUR roles in play.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:52 am

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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:55 am

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day 1 lynches (at least here) don't just randomly happen.
It takes pressure to get to the point where somebody is actually in danger of being lynched.
If there are multiple wagons then it takes pressure for one to be picked over the other.
Mafia will be involved at some point and we get information.

No lynch is not something I'd agree to.
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