Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Saint]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

[LicketyQuickety]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

Not even close to enough info on the guy. Maybe ISOing isn't your thing...

[LicketyQuickety]

TAL - Town. I didn't ISO him

Anyone have a counter argument?

[Sinsun1]

One more peep out of LQ today and I am keeping my vote on him NO MATTER WHAT. So cool your fingers off the keyboard for 4 hours here LQ.

I'm keeping my promise as I see he didn't even last an hour at the very least.

Anyway, my thoughts on the setup? With 21 people in it (not all active, maybe like tops of 10 of us posting regularly) we first look at the mafia:town ratio.

21/3 = 7 Mafia (like no.. just no..)
21/4 = 5-6 Mafia (Little better)

Now that would be a bare basic setup with no alterations.

As this IS a big game we can assume 1-2 third parties at play very easily. So I am picturing two setups here.

14/5/2 (Town/Mafia/3rd Party)
12/4/4/1 (Town/Mafia/2nd Mafia/3rd Party)

Obviously I can be off easily by the numbers as they are guesses. I do not know MM's mind and wont pretend to.

However, due to my role, I will say I don't think there is a SINGLE VT in the entire game. I think everyone is either PR's or weakened town (meaning we're weaker than a VT). Looking at my role is why I tend to believe Saint's claim even if I am suspicious about how quickly he outed it. I guess it does make sense (though I find it odd he is told he is Miller, can anyone confirm that on this site they tell you that you are miller. When I play with that role in play, the player usually does not know that they are Miller).

Anyway, to go a bit further in my current thinking. Unless there are two mafia factions there will be at least 5 mafia in one faction. (If two mafia factions then 3 or 4 per faction). Probably a Godfather, Framer, Roleblocker, ???, ??? in the team? Those are the normal roles I see for PRs for mafia. Then 1-2 3rd parties in play. Possibly Survivor/Serial Killer/Cult/Fool. For town we are looking at around* 14 townies. If Saint is town and is Miller, then we have about 2 roles weaker than VTs, possibly 1-2 weaker than VT or VT's and I'd say about 10 Power Roles. (Consisting of Cop and Doc at least, probably Tracker/Watcher in the mix).

*Estimate

To finish off this post, as Saint's role shows his character relatively relates to his role. So my question would be, how many people out there can say their role relates to their character on the show (as in it'd make sense that they ARE that role). In other words: Is your role flavour based on character? That is a simple question without giving any real information away. I ask it because I am going to watch some episodes this weekend and I want to know if I should keep an eye out for possible cult (biggest danger that Mafia and Town would face if they live for long).

I'm off to bed, when I wake up I may check back quickly to have a quick reply. But I am leaving fairly early out to spend the day with the girlfriend. So i wont be able to reply until about midnight tomorrow.

FP'd 3 times.

[Saint]

@ lq:I didn't ISO him that was off the top of my head


@ sinsun: I went over possible setup and one of yours is very similar to mine. I agree with the potential weakened town meaning like eight pr

[davesaz]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

[davesaz]

TAL - Town. I didn't ISO him

Anyone have a counter argument?

I don't see there being enough info posted by him for anyone to get a firm read.

[Klingoncelt]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

Not even close to enough info on the guy. Maybe ISOing isn't your thing...

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

[Klingoncelt]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

Really. Especially one that doesn't come close to the usual SCM setups.

These noobs, bless 'em, they try.

[LicketyQuickety]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

Not even close to enough info on the guy. Maybe ISOing isn't your thing...

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

First... what's your read on my play and alignment?

[LicketyQuickety]

One more peep out of LQ today and I am keeping my vote on him NO MATTER WHAT. So cool your fingers off the keyboard for 4 hours here LQ.

I'm keeping my promise as I see he didn't even last an hour at the very least.

Anyway, my thoughts on the setup? With 21 people in it (not all active, maybe like tops of 10 of us posting regularly) we first look at the mafia:town ratio.

21/3 = 7 Mafia (like no.. just no..)
21/4 = 5-6 Mafia (Little better)

Now that would be a bare basic setup with no alterations.

As this IS a big game we can assume 1-2 third parties at play very easily. So I am picturing two setups here.

14/5/2 (Town/Mafia/3rd Party)
12/4/4/1 (Town/Mafia/2nd Mafia/3rd Party)

Obviously I can be off easily by the numbers as they are guesses. I do not know MM's mind and wont pretend to.

However, due to my role, I will say

I don't think there is a SINGLE VT in the entire game.

I think everyone is either PR's or weakened town (meaning we're weaker than a VT). Looking at my role is why I tend to believe Saint's claim even if I am suspicious about how quickly he outed it. I guess it does make sense (though I find it odd he is told he is Miller, can anyone confirm that on this site they tell you that you are miller. When I play with that role in play, the player usually does not know that they are Miller).

Anyway, to go a bit further in my current thinking. Unless there are two mafia factions there will be at least 5 mafia in one faction. (If two mafia factions then 3 or 4 per faction). Probably a Godfather, Framer, Roleblocker, ???, ??? in the team? Those are the normal roles I see for PRs for mafia. Then 1-2 3rd parties in play. Possibly Survivor/Serial Killer/Cult/Fool. For town we are looking at around* 14 townies. If Saint is town and is Miller, then we have about 2 roles weaker than VTs, possibly 1-2 weaker than VT or VT's and I'd say about 10 Power Roles. (Consisting of Cop and Doc at least, probably Tracker/Watcher in the mix).

*Estimate

To finish off this post, as Saint's role shows his character relatively relates to his role. So my question would be, how many people out there can say their role relates to their character on the show (as in it'd make sense that they ARE that role). In other words: Is your role flavour based on character? That is a simple question without giving any real information away. I ask it because I am going to watch some episodes this weekend and I want to know if I should keep an eye out for possible cult (biggest danger that Mafia and Town would face if they live for long).

I'm off to bed, when I wake up I may check back quickly to have a quick reply. But I am leaving fairly early out to spend the day with the girlfriend. So i wont be able to reply until about midnight tomorrow.

FP'd 3 times.

FTFY

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

Really. Especially one that doesn't come close to the usual SCM setups.

These noobs, bless 'em, they try.

How do you know you wasn't saying that he thought players in this game would be able to figure it out rather than that the mod might need to explain it???

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

Really. Especially one that doesn't come close to the usual SCM setups.

These noobs, bless 'em, they try.

How do you know he wasn't saying that he thought players in this game would be able to figure it out rather than that the mod might need to explain it???

ebwop.

If I see my word usage error being use against me in this case I am going to have a real problem with that.

[Klingoncelt]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

Not even close to enough info on the guy. Maybe ISOing isn't your thing...

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

First... what's your read on my play and alignment?

Your play is noob-ish. Your alignment looks pretty scummy. (I'll have a list with all players on it after Memorial Day.)

[Klingoncelt]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

Really. Especially one that doesn't come close to the usual SCM setups.

These noobs, bless 'em, they try.

How do you know you wasn't saying that he thought players in this game would be able to figure it out rather than that the mod might need to explain it???

The mod isn't going to explain it. We figure out the setup as the game progresses and bodies start turning up.

[Klingoncelt]

Now, Lickety,

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

[LicketyQuickety]

Now, Lickety,

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

I am expecting a list of times when I suggested I know more about the players and the game than

everyone else

.

[Klingoncelt]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6883832

Though I don't want to get lynched and I know it would be bad for town, I will both claim and provide prolly a pretty shitty reads list before the hammer vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6884467

I would really prefer to be lynched over vig killed. I am strong about that and I not going to give my reason now.

...

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6885331

In post 334, Klingoncelt wrote:
"All we know for sure is that Mafia knows who among us isn't Mafia."

LicketyQuickety wrote:
That isn't all I know but glad your not making assumptions.

You're softclaiming some type of info role.

A word to the wise, claiming or softclaiming, or even hinting on Day 1 is never a good idea unless you're at L-1.

[Narninian]

More Lickety vs Everyone else... ugh.

I actually agree with everyoe else, Lickety's votes do not help town at all, and unfortunately 15 pages in most of the posts are all about lickety.


Lickety: You've claimed to know stuff not everyone else knows. Scum knows *way* more than everyone else knows so if you are town and you have legit information you should probably spill, now that you've left the cat out of the bag.
Its hard to see what you *could* know without a night phase, but hey - if you're going to spill don't half ass it.

[zabing12]

yea, l think that the data given out clearly points to lickety being scum, even if everyone is death tunneling him.

VOTE:LicketyQuickety

[zabing12]

Hey, can we get a vote count?

[PeregrineV]

Sorry, I kind of back-burnered this game the last 2 days. I'll catch up this weekend.

[LittleGumball]

yea, l think that the data given out clearly points to lickety being scum, even if everyone is death tunneling him.

VOTE:LicketyQuickety

What data? Could you elaborate on exactly why you're voting for him?

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Wow, so reading through it's been a bit of a clusterfuck of a day.

Saint claimed Miller, what's meta for that on my site? It was heavy scum-tell meta wise from environments I've been from.

[Narninian]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6883832

Though I don't want to get lynched and I know it would be bad for town, I will both claim and provide prolly a pretty shitty reads list before the hammer vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6884467

I would really prefer to be lynched over vig killed. I am strong about that and I not going to give my reason now.

...

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6885331

In post 334, Klingoncelt wrote:
"All we know for sure is that Mafia knows who among us isn't Mafia."

LicketyQuickety wrote:
That isn't all I know but glad your not making assumptions.

You're softclaiming some type of info role.

A word to the wise, claiming or softclaiming, or even hinting on Day 1 is never a good idea unless you're at L-1.

certainly means he's more likely to be scum, but its considered the right play for a miller as well.
The flavor is kind of legit I suppose, although investigatinos led to the knowledge he was innocent.