New York 181 -- Game Over

[AngryPidgeon]

Top noteworthy -- RIP why wait for a claim at this point? All roles are in effect vanilla townie or SK.

Is this the real life? Is this a post that I just read in a game with a named townie?

[AngryPidgeon]

i want him dead before lylo

And I don't want to have this game get to lylo.

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Ok, I lied. I just read the last couple pages.

Dragon and Delta look town to me. I'm not really interested in lynching either of them but I will vote Delta to avoid a no lynch and a dragging Day before too long.

Anen is putting in so much effort to parse this that I'm still reading him as town for that matter. I thought him saying that 'he agreed with Dragon, BUT...' was a gross post.

ARS is still confirmation biasing a ton which is really just whatever at this point. Still leaning town there, but mostly just off of how stubborn he is.

RIP replaced into a probtown slot I think so I'm not extremely worried about that for now. I am keeping an eye on it though.

Still think its Egg, but whatever. Hes the most notably different person since the Flubber lynch. And ya I know someone is going to ask me to qualify it and maybe I would if I thought I had a chance of convincing anyone without spending all night or just blatantly spinning things.

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AP, I forget. Did you ever explain why ABR was "probtown". He just kind of disappeared from people's scum lists and I don't really remember why.

I thought he was probably the cop. Although RIP just claimed VT, so IDK.

I thought his defense was weak, but that he actually believed it. Scum would be unlikely to have those two qualities.

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Angry pigeon quote still bothers me.
Like why would I be a cop that hasn't claimed? I want to know why he thought that..
Did abr hard push or protect someone?
I don't get it

Because ABR was the only person going after Ika at all and Ika was largely thought to be town for his (now confirmed fake) cop claim.

I was starting to doubt it towards the end of Yesterday and ABR doubting it made sense if he was the cop. I still thought Ika was town though, I happen to know that gambiting is something he does as town. Also yolo. I thought ABR's play looked like someone trying to coast which made sense from a cop. Oh also his whole backandforth with Titus over the supposed guilty on him.

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Protecting his ass. Duh. That's why Delta killed Drixx, cause Drixx was pushing for Delta's lynch and might have succeeded if day one had not ended early.

So why did Delta kill Titus then? Or did ARS kill Titus, I forget.

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AP, I forget. Did you ever explain why ABR was "probtown". He just kind of disappeared from people's scum lists and I don't really remember why.

I thought he was probably the cop. Although RIP just claimed VT, so IDK.

I thought his defense was weak, but that he actually believed it. Scum would be unlikely to have those two qualities.

..This post feels wrong...Adding Angry Pidgeon to potential SK suspects.

You do that.

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Why did you think that ABR was the Cop? Also, what if RIP is fake-claiming VT?

I mentioned about ABR previously, but really that should be obvious. I almost mentioned it Yesterday since I figured it was becoming obvious due to him being the only person to push Ika but apparently other people aren't so observant.

What if RIP is fakeclaiming VT? IDK. He could be a cop faking VT in which case I don't really care. He could be scum faking VT in which case..ok? I guess my read on the slot sucks in that event. He could be a VT

faking

claiming VT. Not really sure where we are going with this. Also, I don't really see an issue with Texcat's posts there. She is using NK spec to SK hunt which IIRC is something she mentioned as an actually valid way to SK hunt.

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(1) Dragon and Delta look town to me. I'm not really interested in lynching either of them but I will vote Delta to avoid a no lynch and a dragging Day before too long.
(2) Anen is putting in so much effort to parse this that I'm still reading him as town for that matter. I thought him saying that 'he agreed with Dragon, BUT...' was a gross post.
(3) ARS is still confirmation biasing a ton which is really just whatever at this point. Still leaning town there, but mostly just off of how stubborn he is.
(4) RIP replaced into a probtown slot I think so I'm not extremely worried about that for now. I am keeping an eye on it though.
(5) Still think its Egg, but whatever. Hes the most notably different person since the Flubber lynch. And ya I know someone is going to ask me to qualify it and maybe I would if I thought I had a chance of convincing anyone without spending all night or just blatantly spinning things.

(1) Why exactly?
(2) Gross? What if I told you that Deltawave had been playing in a different way whenever he was wagoned?
(3) I have the same conf-bias here and I really hope that we're not making a mistake by doing so.
(4) Why exactly?
(5) As far as i can remember his gameplay was similar on Day1 or something... but he wasn't suspected at all then. (Or was he? I don't remember.) What's your opinion about his 4397?
(6) What about Pisskop?

1) I'm not going to talk about Dragon because I already have a lot. TL;DR: Gut + AtE
2) I didn't like you clarifying that you agreeing with Dragon had a caveat about Dragon being scum. There is only one scum left and they've been independent this whole time. If Dragon has a valid point, then he has a valid point. There is no reason to preface it with a "but dragon might be scum..." when you acknowledge it. Also Dragon is still town. Maybe Delta has played different when wagoned, but getting wagoned generally causes people to be more frantic regardless of their alignment. How would you say he is being different?
4) I thought ABR was town. The push on Ika flatly makes zero sense to me from scum and I thought some of his points would make sense to ABR-town like the one about "What is my strategy as scum...to coast until I get lynched?". A lot of his posts made me think he was the cop, which is sort of whatever now that RIP is claiming VT, but I think ABR was town. I'm going to actively evaluate RIP though because I can and ABR was a lurksack.
5) Which part of that post? The first 2 quotes are taking stabs at poor logic which is pretty alignment neutral. Asks me why I think ABR is town which apparently is the flavor of the month thing to ask me. Mentions a variety of reasons why his posting might sound different to me. Yaaaaa. IDK, this post doesn't really do much for my read on Egg at all.

[AngryPidgeon]

Pisskop could be scum I guess, but my gut is telling me to put that one on the backburner.

[AngryPidgeon]

yep, lol

p-edit: errrrrrr, ok.

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lmao.

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Oh wow deadline is < 2 days.

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Oh wow deadline is < 2 days.

I can hammer Delta if Dragonspawn doesn't happen.

Yeah if I do get lynched today, I hope that my flip reminds everyone of the complete stupidity of a WIFOm case. After giving the SK exactly what he wants, then this town better do what is necessary.

clearly you slipped by calling the sk a "he"

/s

[AngryPidgeon]

I uh.

I ya.

Ya. Yep.

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oh man Delta and ARS are town.

Im disappointed that ARS didn't get the chance to backpedal away from that Delta read at all.

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>Claims Pisskop is obv scum
>Doesnt vote Pisskop
>ARS being killed doesn't confirm you as town, lol

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Well *I* didn't kill ARS.

Pisskob, did *YOU* kill ARS?

When was the last time a case like this got made...oh RIGHT. Texcat used the Drixx kill as a case against Delta.

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Also RIP Im obvious town for not hammering delta.

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IF I'm SK why I don't just hammer?

I actually defending delta here and agreed with his plea.s

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I don't want you to get on the Family Feud with piss, I want you to vote Egg.

I've been pushing Egg. Not pushing Egg in a single post of mine definitely means that I'm not pushing anyone though, great job.

Saint didn't clear jackshit and you dropping all this random crap to "clear" yourself is annoying.

Lol. I haven't been hard pushing Egg because I know that nobody is going to lynch him. Everyone is free to call me and/or beep me if they wanna lynch scum. Until that happens I'm going to just sit on my perch and be a snarky asshole.

I've been calling Delta town for literally Days. I defended him from Txcat's shitty case with my sarcastic comment.

I played like town because I am town.

I was voting Egg, would it kill you to check? Yes, Egg is never getting lynched. That doesn't make him any less scum though

VOTE: AP

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Also RIP Im obvious town for not hammering delta.

that's horrible argument. I didn't hammer delta either. Heck egg is the only one who did. He must be the SK.

that right there makes you extremely suspicious.

I WAS PARODYING RIP's POST JESUS CHRIST.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lynch me then.

I don't give a shit.

We aren't going to win the game until MAYBE lylo when people start realizing that Egg making it so far is bonkers.

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The worst part is that RIP won't even learn anything from lynching me.

But seriously just do it. I'm basically the most retarded lynch Today so it would be an honor to be the fuck out of this dumbass town already.

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You idiots seriously think I would kill ARS?

Insulting to MY scumgame to boot.

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Because I know full well that ARS kill would make me look bad.

Like.

Come on.

I actually out think people which is why my scum win rate is >80%.

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I'm a little worried about Anen. Did I say that yet?

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I dunno, I've been townreading him recently mostly because he has been putting in effort. My read on him a few Days ago was based mostly on believing that he was not-mafia which is now true of everybody. The only content I can remember from him recently has been walling at me with bullet points which is less than inspiring.

And I know he's capable of putting in effort as scum.

Uhhh ya. I don't know, mostly just my townread on him is getting stale.

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Pisskop has bounced around from wagon to wagon to wagon.

So has RIP. IIRC he was sure you were scum. Then he he was sure Pisskop was scum. Now he is sure Im scum but is also saying Egg could be scum.

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I don't think RIP is scum, I think he is a complete troll though.

[AngryPidgeon]

1 more to end the game, you guys can do it!! Go town!

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AP, I forget. Did you ever explain why ABR was "probtown". He just kind of disappeared from people's scum lists and I don't really remember why.

I thought he was probably the cop. Although RIP just claimed VT, so IDK.

I thought his defense was weak, but that he actually believed it. Scum would be unlikely to have those two qualities.

..This post feels wrong...Adding Angry Pidgeon to potential SK suspects.

Seriously. Did ARS have any other suspects? It was Anen and Delta all game. Then it was Delta. For Days. And suddenly she comes out with the fist read ever that isn't a broken record chanting that Delta is scum.

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I'm not self voting because I think there is a valid case on me.

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Look. We can lynch me. Or we can lynch Egg..

I'll lynch RIP but only because I cannot read another self-applauding post without it turning me into an alcoholic.

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Ugh this game is still a thing.

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vote: egg

AP, you know this makes you a guarenteed lylo lynch, right?

Then lynch me Today.

I've never been in a 3p lylo as town and I'm certainly not starting this game.

I'm annoyed as shit because RIP is being insufferable and the Delta lynch was obviously bad the entire time.

Weren't you townreading Delta Yesterday?

Yes. I was being snarky in stating that they were town Today.

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UNVOTE:

Ok I promise to stop being a diva for this game. I just...if you can't see where I'm coming from by now then I can't help.
If anybody has any intent to lynch me then do it before lylo because my sanity is not guaranteed in this game. Further, I don't really want any responsibility on top of that since I've spent all game defending myself at various junctures.

Here is what I'm going to do. I'm going to just shoot from the hip about how I feel about everyone right now.

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RIP: Town, probably the cop or maybe softing it because he can. Regardless, that makes him town but if I have to read him calling himself conftown again or calling pisskop pisskob I might actually sink down into the depths of insanity.

Pisskop: I'll be honest, I don't really have much experience with Pisskop and his personality worries me because I get the sense he'd be a good scum player. I kind of wish I could skim a scumgame of his just to get some sort of gauge for how to parse his alignment that isn't paranoia + shitty-blanket-tells driven. Note: I don't draw conclusions from meta, but having experience with someone is always a good baseline to have. Currently leaning town on Pisskop. His suggestion about listing our Top-3 is actually something I'd thought to do and I tend to doubt that the post in question and the subsequent one would come from scum here.

dragonspawn: If I'm wrong about this read then I will hate myself for the rest of eternity. (AP don't be a diva). My read on DS is still based on a couple Days ago or whenever it was that he was being wagoned. I felt that his reaction to his wagon was townish and also I doubt he'd kill ARS. I don't know who he'd kill I guess....but ARS seems unlikely. Still not seeing it at all and I don't really know why people think hes scum. Anen posted his thing about VC analysis but frankly those numbers he crunched are bouncing off my skull.

Texcat: Town? I don't know, this is a really recent progression, but I thought her lack of posturing on Delta Today (or anyone for that matter) was fresh. Glancing at her ISO, I'm loosely concerned with the lack of progression after 1 of her 2 SK suspects flipped town. She is just marching right along like there is nothing to worry about after Pisskop flips, .. which IDK. Maybe that is just her personality and aligns with her having dunked Wake hard this game already. Meh. Also I'm now recalling the blatant desire to mafia-hunt over SK hunt which I think would be a bit unlikely to come from SK....at least I'm trying to think about her personality here. It makes sense for her to say that as town..SK? I bet she'd be hesitant to post it, but maybe not. Still, leaning town here.

Egg: Sorry if you are town; if you are then I could be suffering from a case of gambler's fallacy since I still have yet to see you be scum (in a game that I'm not modding : P).

Anen: Man what is going on here. Pisskop thinks Anen is town. I'm growing concerned that hes still around. I think hes clever enough to kill ARS. His posts have been a lot of number crunching and pelting people with questions, lots of which are asking for information that has been around for a while. Pisskop should do a better job of making a towncase here if he really thinks this slot is town.

Thats it for now.

TL;DR: I still don't mind being lynched. I find that much preferable to somehow making it to lylo when I could be calling you all idiots from the dead thread.

Pisskop and RIP are both town. Texcat looks p town too. I might be wrong about DS but I don't think I am; also why would he kill ARS when ARS was not interested in him at all?

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^ It was texcat. IIRC.

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But I digress. AP is being unusually helpful in pointing out potential scum without pushing it himself.

So?

I don't think Texcat is scum. I guess I don't feel as strongly about that as some other reads. I only remember her making that case on Delta though. Maybe ARS did, but I can't actually remember and don't really care.

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I already suggested that you talk about Anen and you evidently don't want to because that takes effort or whatever which is fine.

Just don't expect epiphanies from me. I don't really want responsibility right now because if Egg is town then I'll have egg on my face and I'd rather be lynched than make it to lylo in a situation where my top 2 reads are alive and/or I'm just mislynch bait. Anen is weird and I don't get your townread on him. Texcat at least is making posts that I can sort of see where she is coming from.

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His whole take on SK hunting has been crunching VCA into numbers and just sorting them in descending order and pushing them?

He has been asking a lot of questions and not really updating his reads when he gets answers?

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Testing the waters for mislynching me, AP?

*sarcastic response*

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@Anen: Basically I thought you were town for the same reasons ARS thought you were mafia . Every time ARS brought you up it just reminded me that I didn't want to lynch you.
Your vote/read history definitely did not correlate with someone who was on the mafia team. It was far too blatant and far too attention grabbing. Your Wake interactions also make it less likely.

@Egg: ARS definitely defended DS. I made a comment about lynching DS over my dead body and ARS chimed in to say something like "I'm glad someone has some sense". I realize ARS was stuck heavy tunneling on Anen-mafia/Delta-SK and that his townreads were sort of PoE (lol). I still doubt Dragon would have killed ARS. Possible I guess, but I'd expect Anen would have been a low-impact kill for DS or maybe you which would shake me up.

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You only half answered my question though. Why do you think I killed Royal?

In the rather loose map that is my head, I view ARS as a mostly neutral kill. ARS was probably not getting lynched. ARS had relatively static suspects and had room to pivot on them after Delta flipped town. I'm not sure who you would kill, but I doubt you'd kill me and I doubt you'd kill anyone in the lynchable field {dragon, texcat, ¿rip?, ¿pisskop?} Pisskop is voting a lot of townies if you are SK so I don't think you'd kill him. RIP is a clownfuck so I doubt that as well (or doubt anyone would unless they thought he was a cop).

I guess ARS makes sense in a general sense as a kill because he was moreorless a wildcard after the delta flip (IMO). Still doubtful that dragon did it (maybe).

VOTE: Anen

Lets have some fun.

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Dear Pisskop,

your reads are garbage and your posts lack explanation.

Its no wonder that texcat wants to lynch you.

Hopefully I get lynched today so I can laugh my ass off when you two end up going at it Tomorrow. Or cry. Or slam my head into a wall.

It'll be some combo of those things.

[AngryPidgeon]

At least we can agree about one thing.

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^ Like what even is this post. How are people not suspicious of this.

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Guys, AP probably isn't scum. The last time I saw him want to be lynched was in Joss Whedon as a hydra with ffery and they were VT.

You read that monstrosity? Not to step on your town-case for me, but I'm 90% sure that was ffery who posted those things.

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AP, why wouldn't you be the first person I'd kill as SK? You were the only one as of last night who was hard pushing me and it's easy to go "OMG frame job!"

There is no reason to. I'm mislynchable. I'm the only person calling you scum at that point so its best to just let me do my thing rather than risk suddenly drawing attention to yourself.

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AP, can you summarize your case?

Egg, I'm not 100% sure that AngryPidgeon is town but he's way not my main suspect.

My case is that Texcat, Dragonspawn, Pisskop, and RIP are all town.

The rest of my case is that you ask a lot of questions without developing your reads. Your scumhunting has all been extremely static and based almost entirely off of crunched numbers from VCA.

Also I think you have direct motive to kill ARS since she suspected you in the past but that largely blew over.

I know someone is going to disagree with that last point but I'm not going to clarify it if you don't see it.

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Well I hope you are ready to throw that out the window for the rest of ever.

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LOL, sorry about that. My brain is fuzzy today.

I forgot you were a Roleblocker there.

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Also, I can't believe Serrapaladin made it to a 2p endgame as an IC.

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Just one thing, AP.
It was I who pointed out that ARS had made a townslip. Why would I "make unlynchable players" if I were SK?

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Intent to hammer.

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Not for a few more days/weeks you won't.

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Also your posts have been garbage-tier these last few Days.

You should work on that.

Cause I'd basically say you can be lynched after I'm gone and I wouldn't care.

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Anen has been the scummiest poster Today.

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Dragonspawn is a townie and I'm going to start blacklisting you trolls if you lynch him.

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Pisskop is probably town. IDK, I'd reevaluate that if he made it to lylo or something, but I'm not seeing it.

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God if its texcat I will feel fucking dumb.

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IDK it could be. I'd not lynch RIP, DS, and Pisskop probably although Pisskop is not giving me town-signals I'd really like to see on this page.

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IDK it could be. I'd not lynch RIP, DS, and Pisskop probably although Pisskop is not giving me town-signals I'd really like to see on this page.

This is definitely my late game town game.

Your reaction to me insulting you wasn't exactly what I'd expect from town. But wasnt scummy per se.

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Pisskop is town, texcat. By voting me you are agreeing to leave him and ds alone. Contract is binding. No refunds.

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Bad reaction tests? Or not paying attention?

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I wouldn't be talking about RIP being the cop if I were the cop.

Seriously.

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^ that.

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I disagree, and no, I will have to think about the information gained from the lynch.

There is no information, holy shit. Either I'm town or I'm not and if you can't pick up on how stupidly town my mindset has been then you never will.

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Just one question, AP.
Did you think that you had been lynched?

(Because I thought so.)

No, I knew who was voting me.

Also since when did people stop caring about RIP? <- Mostly asking because its kind of surreal now that I think about it. Although he hasn't been here which is pleasant.

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RIP should be town if I have his meta down right.

His meta of zero completed games?
And "well AP is a good scum player" is a bullshit reason to be voting me. My scumgame is discernible and also better than this.

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Damn there are like 3 RCs now. Red Coyote is p cool. Rapid canyon who siteflaked in early 2013 (rip) and I assumed you mean Radiant Cowbells.

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Hahaha, well played

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I don't think King would have been so open about SK play if she were actually SK though. That's why it's so frustrating. Pisskop is probably town.

What do you think about Texcat saying she'd rather mafia hunt so as not to lynch many good town players on a quest to find the SK?

I'm actually curious, that post keeps coming back to my head but I can't figure out what it all means for her alignment.

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@Egg: I'm not surprised that you did - I prefer to get cold reads off of personality and gauging whether a person believes what they are saying at any point. I'd have to imagine Texcat thinks her play is good if she shot Drixx on Night 1. (Same would go for anyone using that logic really). You are probably right in saying that an SK who thinks they are playing poorly wouldn't make a post like that.

If texcat is town, then that is a weird assumption. I originally disliked her making that argument because it ~felt~ wrong. I.E., Why would hunting for an SK hurt town and why can't hunting for it be done in parallel with mafia hunting? Granted, things like VCA and interaction tells only work on mafia so if that is what she is using for scumhunting then trying to stick to mafia hunting makes sense. Assuming the SK is necessarily a strong town player IS kind of weird though. I need to reread from around that time.

Teexcat could be the droids we're looking for.

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Actually kind of leaning towards voting Texcat now, but I'll feel bad if I'm wrong about it at this stage so let me have some time to let it simmer.

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Pisskop had already put him at L-1 on Day 6 once.

If pisskop snorted cocaine, would you also snort cocaine?

Sorry, just had to post this. Going to be busy next couple days going to Orlando meet. Going to be flying and racing to get stuff done in the near future.

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V?LA until the 30th

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Ugh. I knew I should have defended that.

And this is why I don't want to be around.

I should probably consider the possibility that RIP is scum Today.

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I'm still leaning Egg I think but I do want to scrutinize rip a little bit.

His sudden texcat vote was pretty bonkers.

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Damn anen was cop? Where are his peeks? Did we know this? Wow

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VOTE: rip

Because I'm tired of making bad votes

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I'm in orlando. Not much going on here it seems.

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UNVOTE: rip

VOTE: rip

[AngryPidgeon]

I can't because I'm barely here while on vla. I'll make an effort shortly though

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No i haven't and in 3 days.

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Sorry.

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Hrs accused people of slipping multiple times now.

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Thank god.

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Phone posting. I'll say more when I'm not at an airport.

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Ya this is a nearly impossible game for sk to win, but most larges are.

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That dead PT sure was crazy.