New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Cheetory6]

And ftr my scumread on you wasn't faked.
I wouldn't have targeted you in the first place if I thought you weren't suspicious this game.

[Bookitty]

The way you presented it seemed pretty fake and trumped up.

It hadn't occurred to me that you would have a power role because I was too busy hating my own, which is freaking useless and which has netted "no result" the first night and a dead person the second.

Oh, may as well claim that too: I targeted Skybird Night one and I got "no result". I dunno what that means, though. I don't know why anyone would have roleblocked me then.

[Cheetory6]

zzzzzzz.
Okay.
UNVOTE:
Reminder that I will have to explain things eventually***
zzzz.
I need to recenter.

[dragonspawn]

Can we go back to lynching rc? Or in alternative duck?

[SilverWolf]

You know Bookitty, if you are going to complain about bad cases, that one on Cheetory was not really that great. Just sayin'

UNVOTE:

dragon-I'm really not so sure that either lala or RC will flip scum and I don't like the idea of PLing people right now. Can someone who is actually scumreading them give some reasons for why they are scum?

I think Prolapsed or Kitz are better choices. I'm going to ISO both of them again and pick one but I really do not have time until later to do so or maybe tomorrow.

[Drixx]

Can we maybe lynch lalascum? Just a thought. Like ... how on earth has that slot managed to avoid a serious wagon? Gee... let's think about it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Skybird could be ascetic, which leans towards scum.

[dragonspawn]

Skybird could be ascetic, which leans towards scum.

Like scum anen?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, Adenine's obvious scum but no one is expressing an interest in lynching it so I haven't really felt like pushing it.

[dragonspawn]

I so wish I was a vigilante right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you think I'm the best vig target in this game, then I'm glad you're not vig and quite unhappy that you rolled best friend.

[Bookitty]

Skybird could be ascetic, which leans towards scum.

Is that really that common? I think I've seen it in just one game (Wee-a-Boo Upick, if I recall correctly) and it basically got the person lynched for claiming it. He was town though.

[FA_Q2]

Are we really just running with the idea that boo is a vanilla cop and just happened to visit the kill target?

I, for one, don’t buy it.

[Prolapsed Brain]

Neither do I.

[Bookitty]

Well, then how could I know that Cheetory was a tracker and not a watcher, please?

You understand that I KNOW I didn't kill Anen, so I KNEW that Cheetory couldn't have been a watcher watching her, because he would have seen someone else visit her along with me, ergo, he wasn't watching her.

How would I have known he wasn't a watcher if I had been the one to kill her? Unless you're arguing that I'm on a scumteam that killed AND vanilla copped her, which would be... weird, anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

You could have guessed because if he were a watcher you'd be dead meat anyway regardless of what you said, and the ninja argument isn't effected by whether or not you claim he's tracker or watcher.

[FA_Q2]

Well, then how could I know that Cheetory was a tracker and not a watcher, please?

You understand that I KNOW I didn't kill Anen, so I KNEW that Cheetory couldn't have been a watcher watching her, because he would have seen someone else visit her along with me, ergo, he wasn't watching her.

How would I have known he wasn't a watcher if I had been the one to kill her? Unless you're arguing that I'm on a scumteam that killed AND vanilla copped her, which would be... weird, anyway.

Because if he was a watcher that would hard confirm you as scum and your 'out' would not have worked.


Therefore you guessed tracker – to give yourself an out. I find it highly unlikely that you just happened to cop the NK target AND a tracker tracked you at the same time. We also don’t have a hard confirmation on what cheet is claiming.

What do you have to add to this cheet? You said you belive that she may not have killed him. Why?

[Bookitty]

What's the ninja argument, please? (Sorry if I'm being dumb or I missed something obvious, I'm brain dead at this point with one hour sleep last night.)

[Egg]

Guys, I'm reading a little bit where I can and I noticed something. I know I've been townreading lala but on Page 80, she was fake dayvidged and responded with "what the hell" and "are you fucking serious" which to me sounds like she may have believed it. Then the "you got me" GIF sounds like a scumclaim. Only after it's pointed out that it was fake does she go out of her way to say that she was trolling (which, who trolls and then TELLS you immediately that they were trolling?) And to me, that kind of sounds like an excuse. I might be able to back this wagon after all.

Egg, I only have one post on 73 and I'm not sure I understand why it is slinging mud. Kitz reaction to the fake claim was not what I expected. If house had claimed a guilty result on him, I'd expect to see that reply.

Enough time has passed that I'm going to have to go back and see what I was talking about. I'm at the mall now so it will have to wait. Someone make sure I remember to do this.

[Kitz]

Oh, may as well claim that too: I targeted Skybird Night one and I got "no result". I dunno what that means, though. I don't know why anyone would have roleblocked me then.

This could be related to the "roleblock claim" by House. Might be the same blocker?

A question for Boo : Why did you visit the targets? What made you read them as being the most required for checking on? Compared to all the others who might be scummier.

[Egg]

Oh, right. The skybird point was about Kitz's response to House's fake innocent result. You didn't add anything to the discussion at all. Just rolled with "why wouldn't you believe it if you're town". It's BS. I wouldn't have believed him either. Day actions in normal games, even if they are considered normal (are they?) Are rare enough that my first thought would be House is full of shit. I don't see why the reaction is so bad.

Prolapsed, can you tell me why you thought Taly and lala were scum with Titus?

Boon, can you tell me why you thought lala was scum with Titus? FA, same question.

@Egg - I saw your little note about me being cautious in my thoughts about Kitz. Why did you only note my reactions to Kitz and not anyone else? I tend to take a fairly cautious approach in general when it comes to deciding whether someone is scum or not and using my vote, as anyone who has played with me is surely aware. Why the special attention in regards to just one person?

I comment on what stands out. If I commented on every post in the thread, you guys would all hate me.

Holy shit to lala's day entrance. I mean. First of all, assuming House is scum because of a town JOAT flip while ignoring Varsoon's N1 flip is off. But then Anen flips a power role and she says she suspected he was a power role? Ok then...

Taly, you mentioned trying to make sense of the TSO kill, but I don't see any conclusions. What did you come up with?

Silverwolf, what made you think to ISO the NK targets?

I'm through Page 83 and falling asleep.

[Skybird]

Skybird could be ascetic, which leans towards scum.

Could you explain where this thought is coming from? It doesn't make sense to me at all.

[Skybird]

Nevermind RC. You suggested that in response to Bookitty wondering why she got no result on me N1. Bookitty's result has me wondering though. I did performa an action N1. I targeted house and received No Result. I double checked this with the mod to ensure I was interpreting the result correctly. I am, and that means I was roleblocked N1. Bookitty is basically claiming she was roleblocked as well. What are the chances that we were both roleblocked on N1? I think Bookitty's claim on me is false.

[dragonspawn]

There is an alternative to that. Jailkeep.

I don't particularly like the way all these power roles are floating around.

[dragonspawn]

I should say outted power roles