Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[Kthxbye]

@Kthx- What is your case on Pony?

Biggest problem with pony is I was town reading her D1 with their play. Now, all she wants to do is vig/lynch town to the point of ignoring conf-scum!flames. Looking at her claim while now not town-reading her also points to scum, not town. If you really look at it, all it is is a, 'If I'm tracked or watched to a NK, it wasn't my fault guys.' The biggest point though is still her desire to get rid of me.

It's not a fancy case, but it's all I really need from my PoV.

[lufan131]

@Kthx- What is your case on Pony?

Biggest problem with pony is I was town reading her D1 with their play. Now, all she wants to do is vig/lynch town to the point of ignoring conf-scum!flames. Looking at her claim while now not town-reading her also points to scum, not town. If you really look at it, all it is is a, 'If I'm tracked or watched to a NK, it wasn't my fault guys.' The biggest point though is still her desire to get rid of me.

It's not a fancy case, but it's all I really need from my PoV.

Thank you! WE AGREE!

[Rainbowdash]

Looking at her claim while now not town-reading her also points to scum, not town. If you really look at it, all it is is a, 'If I'm tracked or watched to a NK, it wasn't my fault guys.'

Which is exactly why kthnx is scum. If he was town I would have been his N1 target if he actually believed this and the attack isn't just an OMGUS fueled one. What town, ever, has this type of a problem with claimed flavor and then decided to target a player who has flavor make sense? It sure makes sense for scum to ignore these thoughts though, because it leaves options open.

@kthnx - So was my move to actually say nothing and hope that there was no town role that could produce a false result on me?

[killerjester]

*Wakes up, burps, scratches self*

So, thoughts on me going insane and Morty-copping RainbowDash?

Stupid as hell. Next question.

[Jingle]

Looking at her claim while now not town-reading her also points to scum, not town. If you really look at it, all it is is a, 'If I'm tracked or watched to a NK, it wasn't my fault guys.'

Which is exactly why kthnx is scum. If he was town I would have been his N1 target if he actually believed this and the attack isn't just an OMGUS fueled one. What town, ever, has this type of a problem with claimed flavor and then decided to target a player who has flavor make sense? It sure makes sense for scum to ignore these thoughts though, because it leaves options open.

@kthnx - So was my move to actually say nothing and hope that there was no town role that could produce a false result on me?

Okay, after calming down a bit, I'm ready to say that I'm not sold on RBD scum. He still seems likely as town for me.

I too noticed that it's a safe claim for scum. It's got the bonus of both being likely to live to the endgame and a miller on tracker results. Especially with Flames being scum, it's a miller that's actually a red herring claim, which is pretty gross. On the other hand, now that he's been vanilla-ized he's likely to die sooner than later if he's town, so I feel comfortable leaving him for the moment. My biggest concern there now is his protection of Aristo. If Aristo flips scum, RBD is 80% scum. If he flips anything other than vanilla-izer, RBD is 100% scum. No doubt in my mind here.

Lufan don't target kthx, mainez, or elbirn. d3x is definitely using his ability tonight on someone he finds scummy, so you can target him if you really want.

kthx, seriously. Clear Mainez tonight. Even if RBD is scum, a mainez clear makes this game almost unloseable.

d3x, pretend you're a vig. You need to be bp. Target someone who won't get nightkilled ever.

VOTE: Flames

L-1 again.

[killerjester]

Lord of Lynch bless us with a hammer.

[Jingle]

Are you saying you don't find anything of interest the last few pages?

What are your thoughts on my proposed plan and RBD's?

[Aristophanes]

Lord of Lynch bless us with a hammer.

You rang?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Flames

[Rainbowdash]

My biggest concern there now is his protection of Aristo. If Aristo flips scum, RBD is 80% scum. If he flips anything other than vanilla-izer, RBD is 100% scum. No doubt in my mind here.

Aristo is good to keep around because even if he is scum he is actually helping town out through confirmable actions right now. He is about on equal ground as KJ to be scum as a second pick though to go with kthnx right now though. Still a low priority because he is locked into having to do things. I could easily buy Kthnx + Aristo, but Aristo has been actively helping town.

Also stop saying Mainez is scum. If he was scum he just JKs Heartless last night and then Heartless has a false innocent on Flames. I had been thinking the whole "he could have messed with Aristo" meant that he was town unless Aristo was scum until just recently when I realized his true correct action was just hitting KJ and stopping him from actually successfully targeting scum, therefore living and all of us treating Flames as confirmed town.

Its a simple plan, I doubt scum missed that one. Due to that I doubt Mainez can be scum.

[Rainbowdash]

d3x in 760 works well enough for actions.

Just remember that kthnx immediately dies tomorrow outside of Elbrin having a guilty. Worst case if he somehow has a useful role (yeah right) it means we would still have a confirmed player. But that would require him being town and making intentionally poor moves, so I doubt it.

[Flames682]

thank fucking god

im still town btw

[Elbirn]

Friendly reminder that if Flames isn't bullshitting and flips town, that means that either...

1. Heartless didn't target Flames last night
2. Heartless targeted Flames, but Rick swapped places with him,

killing heartless because he's scum

Carry on.

[Elbirn]

*Wakes up, burps, scratches self*

So, thoughts on me going insane and Morty-copping RainbowDash?

Stupid as hell. Next question.

You know, a controllable minion makes a lot of sense as "Morty" as well as "Mr. Meeseeks".

[Equinox]

Day 2 - VC 1

Flames682

-

Elbirn, d3x, Kthxbye, killerjester, Jingle, Aristophanes

Kthxbye

-

Rainbowdash

With 10 Players it take 6 to Lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-06-02 08:13:10)

Not Voting:

lufan131, Flames682, Mainez

kiwieagle has been contacted. In the meantime, since a lynch has been achieved, I will lock the thread.

[Equinox]

With no response from kiwieagle, I will begin the hostile takeover process. If kiwieagle returns before his prod timer runs out, which will be in (expired on 2015-06-01 01:39:59), he will be allowed to continue to run with his game with the condition that he have an active co-moderator.

Antihero has generously volunteered to continue running the game.

In the meantime, since I was not given any setup information and there is no backup moderator on record, all 10 living players will need to send me the following: (1) a decision as to whether or not they would like to continue playing, and (2) their role PM, any past actions taken, and any other pertinent information that would be needed to continue the game. In order to

continue

the game, I will need role information from all players or the game will have to be abandoned. Players not wishing to continue playing may replace out, but please send me all game-relevant information before doing so.

Thank you for your patience, and I am sorry for the experience you have had so far with this game.

[Equinox]

Thank you to everyone who responded! Only one player has not yet picked up the mass PM, but I anticipate having to find at most two replacements for the game.

The players

Aristophanes

,

d3x

,

Elbirn

,

Jingle

,

killerjester

, and

Kthxbye

have voted

Flames682

.

Flames682

, Scary Terry, aligned with the

GOOD GUYS

, a Tracker, was lynched Day 2.

Night 2

has started. The deadline is frozen until all player slots are filled.

[Equinox]

Titus replaces Mainez. Thank you!

All players have confirmed. Please send all Night 2 actions to Equinox. The deadline will be set for Thursday, June 4, 2015, at 7:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-06-04 19:30:00).

[Antihero]

d3x, Rick Sanchez - Modified Bus Driver, has died!

it is now day 3. with 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[Antihero]

i can't change the moon symbol on the icon for the thread. sorry guys.

[Titus]

i am here. VOTE: Killer Jester

[Elbirn]

Morty-copped Aristophanes. I was either roleblocked or Aristophanes is not Morty.

[Kthxbye]

Alright, so we has a problem. A couple of problems actually.

Firstly

, Titus's (Mainz's) role name came back as Rick Sanchez. Obviously, Titus is not Rick Sanchez. Now, the questions are:
1---Did d3x target Mainz last night?
2---Did d3x target someone else?
3---Did d3x target anyone at all?

I'll answer the third with most likely yes due to:

...
Aris Vanillaizes Jingle.
lufan Shoots either kj or Aris.
Kthx checks out Mainez while Elbirn checks out Jingle. Barring a blatant guilty from one of our NameCops, we Lynch Kthx Tomorrow.
Mainez JKs RBD.

I keep my Portal Gun Target close to the vest.

...

That quote also likely answers the first and second questions but I think adding in this:

@Mainez- I mean this with the utmost respect. If you can't keep with the flow of this game, please replace out. There is no shame in it if RL isn't allowing you the time you need to post.

makes it very likely that the answer to 1 is no and the answer to 2 is yes. I know d3x and I very highly doubt that he takes a bullet for someone he doesn't think is going to pull any weight come end game.

Now, this is the tricky/confusing part for me. If d3x didn't use his PR on Titus (which I obv don't believe he did due to the above), scum have a way to redirect

which would also explain Flames flipping town.

This leaves only 2 explanations for Titus coming back as Rick:
1. Titus is scum and if anything other than Summer came back, I'd have a confirmed scum result.
2. Scum are attempting to use my result to get another mis-lynch through today.

I honestly don't know which way I'm leaning right now. My last scum game, every night action I did was to mess with town so I can totally see either of these being true.

For that reason, I'm going to focus someplace else for the moment.
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Secondly

, I received additional info that I no longer have a vote.

Not that it matters but to prove my claim:
VOTE: lufan

@lufan: You were asked to vig multiple targets and you yourself claimed you would target someone of your own choosing. 1 person died last night. Seeing as it was the town bus driver, I'm guessing d3x's death is on scum and not you. What action are you claiming you took last night?

@Titus: What action are you claiming you (or Mainz) took last night?

[Kthxbye]

Oh and for VCA purposes:
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D1

hi im Yakko

- Lufan131,

d3x

,

Heartless

,

Killerjester

,

hi im Yakko

,

Elbirn

,

Jingle

Jingle -

Flames682

RIP

-

Kthxbye

Lufan131 -

RIP

, Mainez, Aristophanes

Not Voting: Rainbowdash
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D2

Flames682

-

Elbirn

,

d3x

,

Kthxbye

,

killerjester

,

Jingle

, Aristophanes

Kthxbye

- Rainbowdash

Not Voting: lufan131,

Flames682

, Mainez
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Oranges are those on both mis-lynches. What the VCA tells me is at LEAST one of Elbirn, KJ, and/or Jingle are scum. This VCA makes me want to focus on those 3 over lufan/Titus....hmmm

[Rainbowdash]

lufan needs to claim kill shot
jingle needs to claim if they are now VT
Titus needs to claim their target

In that order.

Please no pony else talk until that happens because I think I see what may have gone down last night. Spent the last couple hours trying to work it out and there is one thing sticking out that I think catches two scum. Maybe more