Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Titus]

In your theory though, scum would hide in his lynch, regardless of which day he was lynched.

Again, you are saying this empty content nonsense. We have generated content from who wanted which option.

[Senator]

the smart scum option was never to express resistance to this lynch. Titus is under some weird conception that because this role had the potential to endgame slightly faster scum would bend over to make it happen.

[Senator]

I will be shocked if scum put up more than a token resistance to what amounted to a boon for scum.

[Senator]

I don't even think Titus remembers who opposed the lynch. Because she's filling up the thread with her hot air.

[PeaceBringer]

well...
got nothing to add at moment

[Thor665]

well...
got nothing to add at moment

What are you planning to do to fix that problem?

[Sinsun1]

I'm keeping my vote on Senator for a few reasons.

1.) If he's town, scum could have easily bandwagoned him by now and lynched him off.

2.) If he's scum, his lynch will show that people who were not ready to vote him until it was obvious he was going to be the lynch target to be possible scum.

So he's either scum or will show where the scum should be.

[PeaceBringer]

well...
got nothing to add at moment

What are you planning to do to fix that problem?

going to observe things a bit more

[PeaceBringer]

I'm keeping my vote on Senator for a few reasons.

1.) If he's town, scum could have easily bandwagoned him by now and lynched him off.

2.) If he's scum, his lynch will show that people who were not ready to vote him until it was obvious he was going to be the lynch target to be possible scum.

So he's either scum or will show where the scum should be.

of course by stating such, well the dynamic changes... but that also is a form of pressure...

[Senator]

vote: SinSun

That was terrible logic.

[Senator]

I know I've called a lot bad here, but that was Brick Breakingly Bad.

[Narninian]

So with some strong presence of anti-town roles (beloved prince, worse than normal, miller) presumably the books are balanced.
One theory I have is Rumpelstiltskin. His post restriction made him a target to be looked at at least early. the character he was in had a couple other characters that were part of his group: Buck Bokai, an Alternative Jazdia.
They weren't inherently hostile in the episode, but their presence did cause danger. I could seem them being a scumgroup, I also feel he was on the wrong side of the fence regarding LQ's lynch.

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and then I read that buck bocki was dead and is town. so back to the drawing board.

[Thor665]

well...
got nothing to add at moment

What are you planning to do to fix that problem?

going to observe things a bit more

Who are your current top suspects?
I feel like you're trying to sit far too much on the sidelines - that makes me feel like you're scum or very weak town, and I am not fond of either.

I'm keeping my vote on Senator for a few reasons.

1.) If he's town, scum could have easily bandwagoned him by now and lynched him off.

2.) If he's scum, his lynch will show that people who were not ready to vote him until it was obvious he was going to be the lynch target to be possible scum.

[3] So he's either scum or will show where the scum should be.

I agree with #2, and thus the conclusion based off it (I'll call it #3).
What proof do you have for #1?

So with some strong presence of anti-town roles (beloved prince, worse than normal, miller) presumably the books are balanced.
One theory I have is Rumpelstiltskin. His post restriction made him a target to be looked at at least early. the character he was in had a couple other characters that were part of his group: Buck Bokai, an Alternative Jazdia.
They weren't inherently hostile in the episode, but their presence did cause danger. I could seem them being a scumgroup, I also feel he was on the wrong side of the fence regarding LQ's lynch.

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and then I read that buck bocki was dead and is town. so back to the drawing board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

What other thoughts do you have other than a thought you decided to shoot in the face halfway through presentation?
Do you have a top scumread?
Do you consider Titus or Senator more 'correct' in their debate?
Who do you think the Hider hid behind at the moment?

[Narninian]

My current Reads Town -> Scum

I don't really have much solid to go on as far as catching scum, but do see some decent town effort.

Confirmed Town
Narninian

Town Lean
Thor665 --- By role really.


Slight Town Lean
Littlegumball - just a vibe I got from day 1 (hopefully she stops lurking today)
SinSun1
Titus
Simply Because I agree with their logic

Senator (not by his posts mind you, I find the altslips and calling everybody scum annoying, just how easy the wagon was to build)

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I haven't seen anything damning to call somebody scum yet, but will keep reading.

[Thor665]

@Narn - Want to wagon PeaceBringer with me?
Also, could you explain how the Senator wagon is "easy"? People keep saying this, and he's at L-5 or something right now, and only ever got to L-4 as far as I can tell...so...what was "easy" about it?

Unvote: Senator
Vote: Peacebringer

[PeregrineV]

Maxwell's last post doesn't look like a hider crumb to me; if there's something else that makes you think he wanted to target me, please say so, but hiders want to confirm town and stay alive, and Maxwell had me as town if LQ were scum, expressed hesitantly. After LQ's town flip, I don't see why he would hider-target me to what he expected to be his death when several people were willing to lynch me if LQ flipped town.

Klingoncelt vote is for previously stated reason that her early game actively avoided comment on real developments and reads in this game, in favour of talking theory/flavour/similar. Scum want to put off stances if they can get away with it.

Of course, my sympathies also go to Klingoncelt. That's really rough.

Re: hider 'crumb', I refer you to #1396.

Also if I were scum I wouldn't have killed people who supported me on Day 1. Saint and Hostile Intent both had my back re: LQ.

Let's assume Maxwell read his role:

The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. It is a Weak role and as such will die if it targets mafia.

Let's assume, like a cop, Maxwell would be happy to clear a town player the next day. Unlike a cop, Maxwell's death is Maxwell's result. Had he lived, he could have made his first daypost be "XXX is town."
But, he knows that if he chooses wrong, his death=his result=scum!

So, he posts this:

It's late so I'll give you the short version about

CDB

. Didn't like him early game, but recent events have changed that. Don't want to call it a townread, it's closer to null, and highly conditional on the flips of Archmage and LQ. I agree with a lot of

CDB

's reads, as well as his frustration over the LQ lynch. Gut says that slot is scum but my gut is fucking stupid usually so I'm gonna ignore it and say go with null, very slight lean on town, could swing either way depending on flips. (but if flips go the way I think they'll go,

CDB

will remain awkwardly shoved into the town column)

Anyways, goodnight.

I have highlighted instances where a Hider role may have mentioned his target on the chance that he dies from having targetted scum.

That target appears to be you. So strongly, especially since this post was not buried among all others, but was instead the last post they made, despite the fact it was late. All just to be there should he die from targetting you.

If you have something that speaks stronger than this post about who the Hider picked to investigate, then please give it. Otherwise, it's WAYYYYY too obvious he hid behind you.

[Thor665]

@Pere - other than CDB, what are your reads of note?

[PeregrineV]

Let's all claim negative role modifiers.

I'm actually an SS.

Im not actually SS you tard.

I'm claiming Beloved Miller next game I play. Nono, Ill claim Bulletproof Ascetic.

If there is a beloved princess in our game, than it stands to reason that the night will be hot.

???

The worst part about LQ's claim is that he freely said it triggers upon NK. I don't know why anyone with any experience in mafia would tell scum that if they kill him they get a free night.

And even more, This early in the game, investigators don't have enough info to dig around, and x-shots get boned as well.

this isn't role related but is now standing out to me... when you claim beloved princess, this is what you are claiming... doesn't make him scum, but it is awful

See, its like you don't even know how anti-town you are. I'm the 3 shot commuter.

wholly crap.

Think

before you say things. If I were really the commuter you'd have just given the scum more reason to figure it out.

So? I've softed my role and you dummies don't pick up on it too bad.

and then there is the gem...
please- look at those posts and any of his others and point out the crumb or soft claim


SS
Commuter
Tracker
X-shot of unknown type


Oh, and you mistake my wording for hiding when I am really trying hard not to just bash you and tear you a new one.

The way you are stringing these posts together, you are saying that Senator is Quad-faking-claiming-scum, and you are flabbergasted each time you find out a fakeclaim was, indeed, fake.
And based on the hurt you felt at his deception, you are now demanding his One True Claim

_TM

?

I find both of these ideas ridiculous, and hope that the next pages are better.

[PeregrineV]

@Pere - other than CDB, what are your reads of note?

Don't have many. Got a townread on lickety, and he was so town that everyone had to lynch him.

Pretty sure Nero is scum, but haven't tied him with anyone else just yet.

Leaning town on Titus, but that's always grain-of-salt read.

I think the Hider hid behind CDB, so he's scum.

I think the Beloved Prince claim was too juicy to waste a NK on it when they could waste a lynch instead, so I plan to root around on the Lickety wagon to look for the scum that drove it through.

You are a slight townread based on Archmage.

But, I'm also 10 pages bhind the current one, so I'll let you know if any of these change.

[PeregrineV]

I dont think so, he left no indicator he would check him, and it would also mean he doubted the claim. Did he?

Brief look at Maxwell iso doesn't show Saint's alignment as a burning question.

[PeregrineV]

nope

Then which camp are you in?

[davesaz]

I tend to agree with the analysis in 1665, but that assumes "correct" play on the part of Maxwell. I've been burned before by assuming correct play.
Thor's play appears to be town, based on the questioning method.
Senator is acting the same way I've seen him act before, when town being scumread for illogical (in his mind) reasons. Not enough for a strong town read but clearly town side of null.

[Thor665]

Don't have many. Got a townread on lickety, and he was so town that everyone had to lynch him.

I'll agree the iso skim I had on him looked pretty townish, so probably a look at the wagon will bear fruit...but, natch, that's true of any wagon on town Day 1, so...eh, whether or not it was a bit of an iffy lynch is besides the fact, really.

Pretty sure Nero is scum, but haven't tied him with anyone else just yet.

I have zero read on him - why is he scummy?

Leaning town on Titus, but that's always grain-of-salt read.

I currently lean that way also.
While we're at it - a much more solid town read on Nai-alphabet. You agree or disagree?

I think the Hider hid behind CDB, so he's scum.

I don't dislike that theory.

You are a slight townread based on Archmage.

I should be a slight town just based off my narf claim, really. But, sure.




@Dave - want to vote Peacebringer with me?

[ArcAngel9]

I ll be gone fro 10 days from this Wednesday. I want to sort my reads before that... I am going to Thailand.

Mod, Please note my V/LA from 11th June to 21 June, I ll be returning on 22nd and I probably wont have internet while I am on vacation

[PeregrineV]

Well reading TAL just got a Smurfton harder... Welcome Thor.

Why would it get harder - you already have his posts and attitudes to consider, yeah?
Also, as far as I can tell I'm a named townie, so...y'know, practically confirmed town till *way* later into the game day unless I'm missing out on some really paranoid theory.

Hi everyone.
Who are we lynching today and why?

I am mildly in support of the Hider based fear lynch of CDB, for the record.

We are lynching Senator.

Uhhhh, why?