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in our exchange
you seemed guarded
and not really interested in figuring me out
I don't know what this means.
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the meta changes nothing
i understand the virtue of Llamarble and CES's early game procedure
but at the moment it all seems rather mechanical
there's nothing to read in it
tth is more town than scum for following up on my gasp
ika is so ika and i'm very unhappy about that but ambivalent about the thing that matters
aero, oversoul, zach are all in the same bunch in my head
reg and elk in another
llamarble and ces in a third
someone will ask what the bunches mean!
please know that i'm not sure
none are quite town or scumreads, though-
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i tried explaining it but i think i will just reiterate that it's pretty esoteric to me
i'm not saying that they're in the same team or anything
they just have the same place in my head when i think about them and this game
You're impressed that I read your post? :S
you know a little less about what the clumps mean than i do but we both homed in on the same tension
i really do apologize for making the clumps now though it's pretty close to meaningless-
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Llamarble wrote:In post 110, Psyche wrote:i don't really understand what you mean by that llama
Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.
that's pretty close to my first guess
but i'm not the first person in the game to take a panorama shot
so i thought there was more to it-
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bbt is reforming himself a little, but brushing me off and doing that is just common sense
his explanation that he was more interested in trying to get me to join the ika wagon when he voted me comes off as less a defense than an example of my problem with our interaction: the ika was a lolwagon, designed purely to make it easy to figure out who's scum; treating it as an end in itself is just strange-
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In post 62, Oversoul wrote:
It was purposefully vague. Why were you snark with the original answer?
again
why was it purposefully vague?-
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In post 158, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Show me scum hunting from that post that relates to those reads I just gave.
you are playing dumb now-
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In post 136, Llamarble wrote:I've admittedly been a little more manipulative this game than usual, but I there's anymore benefit to be had from that.
Felt weird voting Psyche for the sake of doing something while I waited for CD to post. Patience is hard.
TOWN:
Llamarble
Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.
Zach - I expect at least one token from him as well. Town are more likely to see their targets as 'squirming.'
BBT - Confidence, readiness to change direction. #84 particularly solid.
ika - Attitude, 'Elk is prob scum for calling me town.'
Oversoul - Followed a reasonable path so far.
TTH - 81, 135 are both moves in the right direction.
CES - 44 & 128 are solid but within scumrange.
Psyche - Pretty much content-free.
Elk - Kinda has the figuring out the game tone but he hasn't really bitten in, works with Cheery, and mostly speaks in generalities.
Ankamius - All he's provided is a low-relevance vote.
Aeronaut - seemed kinda town on a previous readthrough but works just fine as scum.
Cheery Dog - A scum token makes you twice as likely to be scum as a random person. This is sufficient to lynch barring impressive play I haven't seen yet. I don't think CD realized how strong the tokens are.
:SCUM
VOTE: Cheery Dog
I'm kind of tired so I may have derped some of these, but this is round 0.5 I guess.
see lines mentioning players of interest-
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In post 107, Llamarble wrote:In post 89, Psyche wrote:the meta changes nothing
i understand the virtue of Llamarble and CES's early game procedure
but at the moment it all seems rather mechanical
there's nothing to read in it
tth is more town than scum for following up on my gasp
ika is so ika and i'm very unhappy about that but ambivalent about the thing that matters
aero, oversoul, zach are all in the same bunch in my head
reg and elk in another
llamarble and ces in a third
someone will ask what the bunches mean!
please know that i'm not sure
none are quite town or scumreads, though
Honestly the way you're processing the game sounds like scum figuring out what everyone is doing so they can decide how to play rather than town figuring out who is scum.
VOTE: Psyche
In post 116, Llamarble wrote:Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.
In post 130, Llamarble wrote:In post 128, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:'Marble, why aren't you voting Cheery Dog? You must know this Psyche-thing is kind of weak given that he's being perfectly open about it.
Nacho assigns Cheery Dog some townpoints for admitting he took a scum token. I'd like to hear more from CD.
Who are Cheery's buddies?
In post 138, Llamarble wrote:Maybe he didn't understand how hard it's going to be for us to justify lynching anyone other than him today with this information in play.
Maybe he was concerned people wouldn't believe him if he didn't claim his token and wanted to get in front of the problem, hoping to be townread for doing so.
Cheery Dog is currently ~twice as likely as any other player in this game to be scum. He better do some impressive things if he doesn't want to die.
In post 79, Llamarble wrote:
I've never played a game with ika where he wasn't killed night 1.
Regfan has some townpoints for token-reasons, but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet.
I have no objections to BBT so far.
In post 76, Llamarble wrote:In post 23, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 18, Llamarble wrote:But is he always dunk?
Ika is scum with Cheery Dog. Doesn't matter who the third one is. Zach Oversoul Psyche can be town.
This seems like good reads for now.
VOTE: ika
This seems inattentive. How come a list including you-scum is good?
In post 50, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 43, Regfan wrote:"Cheery may have used a scum token"
I'll solve this question for you, I did attempt to use a scum token, still rolled town.
What do you think you'd have said regarding this had you rolled scum?
why not just reiterate llama's entire iso?
your strawman is a strawman-
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okay i will handle the spoon with more care
i say that the idea that anyone is letting tokens surpass scumhunting is a strawman
you say no
let's just look at regfan
Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.
Regfan has some townpoints for token-reasons, but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet
Where are Regfan and CES?
if you mean to say that this reads to you as someone who is not really scumhunting because regfan has two tokens,
or someone who is throwing out their reads because "oh hey two tokens",
all opposed to someone who is taking the two tokens into account when they make their reads,
i don't know if i believe you?-
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and BBT is now opting to overlook the flaw in his lame llama push
he concertedly asks for my opinion over a dozen posts
and then doesn't pay any attention once i've offered it with the amount of detail he's been hungry for
In post 82, Psyche wrote:Why do you think I said, "I feel left out"? Do you think I was trying to make you guys think I was lonely?
oy tth
you missed my q
also oversoul-
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but here's what i really can't understand
he pushes for a detailed answer several times to this question:
"Show me the scum-hunting."
"Show me scum-hunting that relates to those reads."
"Show me scum hunting from that post that relates to those reads I just gave."
"You said I was strawmanning. I asked you to show me where the scum-hunting was that lead to those reads. So, show me."
"Show me the scum-hunting that relates to those reads. Stop dodging."
"Now, show me the scum hunting, not token speculation, scum hunting that lends itself to this read on Regfan."
I count 6. But there's no sign in his iso that he really cared about my answer.
He states that he's going to ignore me for the time being because I've frustrated him. But in the same post as that statement, he asks why I've unvoted.
it looked to me like he was just using the specter of frustration to avoid a discussion about his reads
but I'm just babbling incoherent nonsense don't mind me
since i'm an idiot i'll just focus on wagoning with the right smart people-
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In post 181, Psyche wrote:okay i will handle the spoon with more care
i say that the idea that anyone is letting tokens surpass scumhunting is a strawman
you say no
let's just look at regfan
Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.
Regfan has some townpoints for token-reasons, but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet
Where are Regfan and CES?
if you mean to say that this reads to you as someone who is not really scumhunting because regfan has two tokens,
or someone who is throwing out their reads because "oh hey two tokens",
all opposed to someone who is taking the two tokens into account when they make their reads,
i don't know if i believe you?-
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