Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Titus]

The game does not have to be multiball solely because of its size. Also, weak roles and hiders can develop here.

[Klingoncelt]

The game does not have to be multiball solely because of its size. Also, weak roles and hiders can develop here.

Develop? Clue me in.

[Titus]

The game does not have to be multiball solely because of its size. Also, weak roles and hiders can develop here.

Develop? Clue me in.

KPN is factored not solely by vigs, scum and SKs. Hider roles or anything with a weak modifier, lovers, and other roles can increase KPN.

[Thor665]

There was only one kill Nights 1 & 2, assuming that Maxwell hid N1 (and I think he did.) Now assuming that the Mafia made the kills, where are the Vig kills? Surely there's a Vig, maybe a PGO, possibly a 3rd Party in a game this size. Why only 1 kill both Nights? Something doesn't add up here. It's bugging me.

I have been in Larges with limited kills.
Also, quite frankly, what you're arguing here is a viable reason to argue for a SK or a second scum team just as much as to argue for a Vig.
that you went Vig as first and only is kind of unsettling. I intentionally use that word and not scummy, because I'm not sure if it's scummy or not, but it reads weird to me. Let's drop this because of the two alternatives I can see one is good and one is derptastic, and I can't figure out how to properly address it at this point.

You say you vibe town on CDB, but you seem to agree that it's a 50/50 for who Max hid behind - wouldn't that make CDB a fairly smart lynch choice unless you solid read him as town?

[Klingoncelt]

The game does not have to be multiball solely because of its size. Also, weak roles and hiders can develop here.

Develop? Clue me in.

KPN is factored not solely by vigs, scum and SKs. Hider roles or anything with a weak modifier, lovers, and other roles can increase KPN.

Oh, okay, I get it now.

[Klingoncelt]

There was only one kill Nights 1 & 2, assuming that Maxwell hid N1 (and I think he did.) Now assuming that the Mafia made the kills, where are the Vig kills? Surely there's a Vig, maybe a PGO, possibly a 3rd Party in a game this size. Why only 1 kill both Nights? Something doesn't add up here. It's bugging me.

I have been in Larges with limited kills.
Also, quite frankly, what you're arguing here is a viable reason to argue for a SK or a second scum team just as much as to argue for a Vig.
that you went Vig as first and only is kind of unsettling. I intentionally use that word and not scummy, because I'm not sure if it's scummy or not, but it reads weird to me. Let's drop this because of the two alternatives I can see one is good and one is derptastic, and I can't figure out how to properly address it at this point.

You say you vibe town on CDB, but you seem to agree that it's a 50/50 for who Max hid behind - wouldn't that make CDB a fairly smart lynch choice unless you solid read him as town?

The large games I've been in always had a vig or PGO or some sort of Town shooting role. They didn't always have a second Scum team or a 3rd Party. Anyway, Titus' answer cleared up my confusion. (One lynch and one NK at a time, this game would last until Christmas!)

So yeah, CDB is a 50/50 shot at being Scum. Actually maybe more than 50%, I can't get why Maxwell would crumb CDB then hide somewhere else.

So, if Nero fails to hammer, I'll be happy to do it.

[Titus]

ugh, I'm beginning to think Klingon is scum and expected a higher KPN to help her team.

[Klingoncelt]

ugh, I'm beginning to think Klingon is scum and expected a higher KPN to help her team.

What?

C'mon, how many large games have we been in together where there was only one kill each Night?

[Klingoncelt]

It was creeping me out.

[Titus]

And how many times do I tell you not to rolefish in public? You're asking things that, right now, only scum need to know the answers to.

[Klingoncelt]

And how many times do I tell you not to rolefish in public? You're asking things that, right now, only scum need to know the answers to.

Sorry. It wasn't meant as rolefishing, more like trying to get a grip on the setup.

Anyway, if Nero doesn't hammer, I'll do it.

[ChannelDelibird]

@CDB - you have had a hammer intent posted against you and posted since then without claiming. Was this intentional? I'm fine with you if you'd prefer to not claim prior to being hammered, i just want to make sure that's your goal.

I didn't claim because I don't intend to be lynched. However, seeing as enough people seem to be willing to yawn onto the Max thing, I guess I'll do that in my next post. First, though:

Also - any changes to your last read list? Or is it still solid at this stage?

This is just not a smart question. If you've read my posts over the last few pages, you know that I think the timing of Titus's move onto me looks like a direct reaction to me actually starting to say things Today, which looks plausibly scum-motivated, so you know that I'm saying when things are changing from my last reads list (which is still only a handful of pages ago). "Still solid" implies that I've shown no flexibility since that big catch-up post and for someone who criticised Titus for not properly paying attention to my posts, I just ... I need you to be sane in this game, Thor, because I think you're town and I have little-to-no faith in a huge chunk of this playerlist. Fucking read what I'm writing, OK?

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm Julian Bashir. Here's me trying to crumb this at the start of the game in a way that I thought was somewhat obvious but, in retrospect, probably wasn't as obvious as it ought to have been:

I imagine that my companions will be sympathetic to

our man

here being in a mafia game.

Reference to episode 'Our Man Bashir'

I don't wish to

bash

a newbie

Obvious

I was trying to play up my identity on Day 1 in the hopes that an attentive scumteam would catch it and nightkill me in the hopes of killing a Doctor, but I'm just a Vanilla Townie. Then LQ flipped town for some fucking reason and now we have this deeply unsatisfactory Max 'crumb' so I guess that's permanently off the table. Hooray.

[Klingoncelt]

You're Julian Bashir but you aren't the Doctor? That's weird.

[Klingoncelt]

Anything else to say?

*picks up sledghammer*

[Titus]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Klingon, You're willing to hammer before people read the claim?

UNVOTE:

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Iso me from three pages ago and add a scumread on you. Stop pretending that #1798 doesn't exist.

[ChannelDelibird]

You're Julian Bashir but you aren't the Doctor? That's weird.

Sensible setup design.

[PeregrineV]

Was off Friday and I think was prodded. Sat/Sun post, but probably back Monday.

[Klingoncelt]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Klingon, You're willing to hammer before people read the claim?

UNVOTE:

I asked him if he had more to say. You'll notice that I didn't go all Ika and hammer him.

[Titus]

1798 just bitches IMO. I am not seeing clear conclusions.

[Titus]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Klingon, You're willing to hammer before people read the claim?

UNVOTE:

I asked him if he had more to say. You'll notice that I didn't go all Ika and hammer him.

That's not my issue. Even if CDB is scum, we should still give people an opportunity to evaluate the claim. We may learn something....

Your reaction here...

[ChannelDelibird]

1798 just bitches IMO. I am not seeing clear conclusions.

Then you're not reading the fucking words, because I explained where I stand on every fucking player.

[Klingoncelt]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Klingon, You're willing to hammer before people read the claim?

UNVOTE:

I asked him if he had more to say. You'll notice that I didn't go all Ika and hammer him.

That's not my issue. Even if CDB is scum, we should still give people an opportunity to evaluate the claim. We may learn something....

Your reaction here...

I'm going to bed directly. It'll be a good 12 hours before I'm near the computer. Don't worry...

[ChannelDelibird]

If I'm going to die immediately, I guess the main thing to take away from my reads is the following:

RIP is probably scum. People will say 'blerg generic lurker vote' but different people lurk differently. RIP's behaviour here shows disengagement and lack of self-confidence, which he doesn't lack as town. Jamierus is another whose lurking looks worse than other people's; he looks like scum who is wearied by keeping up an active facade and is taking advantage of the fact that nobody knows who he is to just hang around in the background.

In as much as I can ever read Titus, her treatment of me over the last few pages is pretty scummy. Trying to play down my reads as 'just bitching' and moving onto me at a time that looks very much like trying to make sure that a potentially useful protown voice is silenced before anyone realises that they're making a mistake.