MINI 1688 — BEES!!! — game over

[Green Crayons]

Because she voted obvtown.

Why is Bella the towniest player?

[The Bulge]

also, cocks was better

VOTE: UT

[Untrod Tripod]

Blame mith

[Bellaphant]

5 votes? That's quite the wagon for such an early, random stage.

okaaaay...so, what? Does the push look scummy? Why? Is it just RVS? Give us an opinion, not a statement.

5 votes? That's quite the wagon for such an early, random stage.

Whatcha wanna do about it?

^ Good posting.

Because she voted obvtown.

Why is Bella the towniest player?

Yeah, why? This seems an odd assertion to make. Almost as odd as GC's assertion that she's obvtown

[Marquis]

(expired on 2015-06-19 17:45:00)

(Fri Jun 19 @ 5:45:00 PM EST)

VOTECOUNT 1.02

• (1)

  Bellaphant

  —
  Green Crayons
  
  (0)

  Bicephalous Bob

  —
  
  
  (0)

  Bob Loblaw

  —
  
  
  (1)

  Fro99er

  —
  KayP
  
  (1)

  Glork

  —
  Untrod Tripod
  
  (2)

  Green Crayons

  —
  Bellaphant, Bicephalous Bob
  
  (0)

  KayP

  —
  
  
  (0)

  Kitty Galore

  —
  
  
  (5)

  lalaladucks

  —
  Kitty Galore, Fro99er, Bob Loblaw, Shadoxx8, TellTaleHeart
  (L-2)
  
  
  (0)

  Shadoxx8

  —
  
  
  (1)

  TellTaleHeart

  —
  Glork
  
  (1)

  The Bulge

  —
  lalaladucks
  
  (1)

  Untrod Tripod

  —
  The Bulge
  
  
  (0)

  (NOT VOTING)

  —
  
  
  With
  13

  alive
  , it takes
  7

  votes
  to lynch.
  
  

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  Hi there.

[Marquis]

Marquis, could you be a dear and activate my triple vote power now? Thanks.

:]

[Bicephalous Bob]

Because she voted obvtown.

Why is Bella the towniest player?

The way she talked about glork's naked vote was nice.

[Fro99er]

I'm liking where my vote is at. Ducky is going to have to do something towny for me, other than post useless stuff.

Bella and Bob (fuck me there's two Bob's in this game ... Bicephalous Bob) have been quite towny so far. Especially Bella for the proper questioning of KayP and the recognition of Glork's naked vote.

[Bellaphant]

We should have BB and BobLob to keep them apart.

Ducky's posting has been super strange, she isn't showing much engagement. RVS is over now, so this better change.

[Green Crayons]

Wait. How is Glork's vote not RVS?

[Bellaphant]

I haven't said it wasn't, I was just surprised by the lack of rvs funtimes

[Green Crayons]

GUYS

BEES

UNVOTE: Bella
VOTE: KayP

[Green Crayons]

AND GALS

SORRY FOR THE CAUSAL SEXISM

[Green Crayons]

Or would that be systemic patriarchy built into our language?

Oh man, such wonders!

[Untrod Tripod]

...are you high?

[Kitty Galore]

So are we officially out of RVS?

Bella, what is strange about ducks posts, just lack of engagement? Anything else?

Looking forward to hearing answers from KayP.

I like Bella's and Green Crayons posts.

[KayP]

5 votes? That's quite the wagon for such an early, random stage.

Whatcha wanna do about it?

I want to comment on how odd I find it for there to be 5/7 votes on someone before the end of the first page with no information out there!

okaaaay...so, what? Does the push look scummy? Why? Is it just RVS? Give us an opinion, not a statement.

I was more fishing to see if this is standard for this website. I know everyone plays differently and has different expectations, but the 2-3 games I read didn't have this happen. and nobody else had commented on it.

I'm liking where my vote is at. Ducky is going to have to do something towny for me, other than post useless stuff.

Bella and Bob (fuck me there's two Bob's in this game ... Bicephalous Bob) have been quite towny so far. Especially Bella for the proper questioning of KayP and the recognition of Glork's naked vote.

Hmm, I'm not entirely sure that's how this should work. Should the burden of proof not be on yourself to show why duck is town, not on duck to prove she's not mafia?

[KayP]

Kitty Galore: Why did you ignore Fro99er's dislike of duck's posts, but focus on Bella?

[Fro99er]

So are we officially out of RVS?

RVS is over now

But what would be even better, is if

you

gave

your

thoughts on if we are/were (at the time of your post) out of RVS, instead of polling the town.

Bella, what is strange about ducks posts, just lack of engagement? Anything else?

This is directed at Bella, but I've made a comment about ducky too. For me, yes it's lack of engagement, combined with ducky's meta (for example: this game or this game) where they are town and have early posts that at least resemble productive content (although still fun and lighthearted). Unfortunately there are no completed scum games in their wiki, so I cannot find if this lack of productive posting is a scumpattern of theirs or not. Yes, this is an early read, without a ton to go by other than lack of content and some meta to back it up (no, meta isn't the sole reason), and is a read of mine that could possibly change based off how the game progresses. But for now, I like where my vote stands until they can start to post something useful. This is good pressure.

Looking forward to hearing answers from KayP.

I think we all would.

KayP does need to explain what they make of the L-2.

I will say the L-2 to me seems like a bit of RVS (my vote was RVS, but now its serious), combined with some "ZOMG WAGON!", and a vote or two I don't full understand. I also don't believe ducky is suddenly going to get quicklynched, because that would just be idiotic for anyone to do. I believe Bob Loblaw's was a "ZOMG WAGON vote!" based off his choo choo comment. TTH's vote was suspicious, with an unannounced L-2, but then they asked to activate a triple voting power. I don't know what to make of that as I've never played a game with multiple voting power. I'm assuming it is real, because Marquis responded to it, but haven't seen the triple vote yet.

I also look forward to hearing from you about some of the players in this game besides "I like their posts" as you state below

I like Bella's and Green Crayons posts.

What do you like about Bella and GC's posts? How do you feel about my posts?

I'm slightly perturbed that your post only scratched at the surface level.

[Fro99er]

EBWOP: looks like KayP is addressing the L-2. Will read up on that.

[KayP]

This is directed at Bella, but I've made a comment about ducky too. For me, yes it's lack of engagement, combined with ducky's meta (for example: this game or this game) where they are town and have early posts that at least resemble productive content (although still fun and lighthearted). Unfortunately there are no completed scum games in their wiki, so I cannot find if this lack of productive posting is a scumpattern of theirs or not. Yes, this is an early read, without a ton to go by other than lack of content and some meta to back it up (no, meta isn't the sole reason), and is a read of mine that could possibly change based off how the game progresses. But for now, I like where my vote stands until they can start to post something useful. This is good pressure.

Hmm. So, basically, you've seen ducky play differently in the past as a townsperson, and this makes you think the different play here is somehow noteworthy or alignment-related? I still feel like there's very little to go on right now and judging someone's posts this early based on content level is a big jump to make. It's especially concerning because you yourself only made

one post

just saying hello to various people and voting randomly, and your second post was demanding better stuff from ducky. That's a bit hypocritical.

[Fro99er]

Should the burden of proof not be on yourself to show why duck is town, not on duck to prove she's not mafia?

I don't believe the goal is to show people are town. The goal is to find scum, so I'm trying to push on Ducky (and now Kitty) to see how they respond so I can start to understand their mindset in order to sort their alignment, instead of letting Ducky coast by with pointless posts, and Kitty with a surface level post.

[KayP]

Oh, sure, the goal is to find mafia. I agree there, that much is obvious. But given statistics, the person you are pushing/voting/arguing with is MORE LIKELY to be town than mafia since there are way more town than mafia in games. I guess I'm having trouble understanding why you seem to be STARTING from a mindset of "this person is mafia, prove me otherwise" instead of "this person is statistically likely to be town, unless proven otherwise".

[Fro99er]

This is directed at Bella, but I've made a comment about ducky too. For me, yes it's lack of engagement, combined with ducky's meta (for example: this game or this game) where they are town and have early posts that at least resemble productive content (although still fun and lighthearted). Unfortunately there are no completed scum games in their wiki, so I cannot find if this lack of productive posting is a scumpattern of theirs or not. Yes, this is an early read, without a ton to go by other than lack of content and some meta to back it up (no, meta isn't the sole reason), and is a read of mine that could possibly change based off how the game progresses. But for now, I like where my vote stands until they can start to post something useful. This is good pressure.

Hmm. So, basically, you've seen ducky play differently in the past as a townsperson, and this makes you think the different play here is somehow noteworthy or alignment-related? I still feel like there's very little to go on right now and judging someone's posts this early based on content level is a big jump to make. It's especially concerning because you yourself only made

one post

just saying hello to various people and voting randomly, and your second post was demanding better stuff from ducky. That's a bit hypocritical.

My push on ducky is to get them to start providing content. I actually mentioned it's an early read and is very possible it will change based on how they react. But this is a good spot for pressure now. The meta is *supporting* my pressure as something they don't typically do as town. It is not my *sole* reason for voting them.

[KayP]

So if the meta is just supporting evidence, then it must be the lack of engagement as the primary thrust of your vote on them, yes?

Can you explain a bit more what about ducky's posts make you think "lack of engagement"? I think I get what you mean, but that phrase is sort of just vague.