Open 601: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Metalcyanide]

For now MarioManiac who are you leaning towards for an investigation?

why would you ask this

Assuming he is the N1 cop he will now be treated differently by everyone for the next 13 real world days. So I was hoping that since he claimed so early in the day there was something in someones post so far that he saw that gave him he a gut feeling.

And why does who he might investigate matter to you?

At least 4 people here will be cops some day. Why should we be treating them differently? Are

you

going to be treating him (or yhai) differently now?

VOTE: Metalcyanide

[quote="In post 62,

What happens if somebody claims Night X Doc and then nobody claims to be that night's cop? That's the doc for a night outted for what benefit?

As doctor that then would become a VT dying is better than a potential later cop dying. I think this is better than taking a potshot at blocking the kill.

*sigh* The scumteam doesn't have to shoot the doctor. They could still kill someone else who they perceive as more of a threat, including a future night cop.

All this is doing is giving mafia more information to make an informed kill choice with.

p-edit: Theoretically, everyone (who is town) could be a night 1 cop/doctor.[/quote]

Because getting information out of people matters to me.
Yes there will be multiple cops but this one claimed N1 cop on pg 3 of D1 seems really early to me even for this mass claim plan to say what night your power works, so with that in mind I was hoping he saw something, maybe something that stood out from playing with others before. He also answered so the next part of my question

MarioManiac4 why Yhai?

[Metalcyanide]

sorry not sure how the quotes got messed up on last post

[Metalcyanide]

one of the n1 claims is scum. its not just unlikely it really fucking unlikely. like at least 1/25 unlikely. im too drunk to math atm but im p sure 8% is being too generous. there is a 1/5 chance of being n1 with 10 townies.

frankly i dont doubt it but at the very same time lynching in the pool of that today IMO is not the right play.

How is not lynching withing the pool of N1 claims a good play. As it currently stands, unless we have town counter claiming town (which would be really dumb), we have a 25% chance of getting scum.

cus what if we really do have the one game where we are all n1 cops/docs? if that is the case scums can get a feild day and walk all over it

Okay, I see what your saying, through my ogic out the window. Multiple cops and docs on the same day didn't occur to me

[MarioManiac4]

In their first post, laladucks had to SPECIFICALLY state that they were town, and they conveniently claimed N1 cop as soon as a second doctor claimed.

[you have any ideas]

In their first post, laladucks had to SPECIFICALLY state that they were town, and they conveniently claimed N1 cop as soon as a second doctor claimed.

dont you think it would of been easier as scum to just not claim a night at all and silently shoot?

im not going to stop you from copping us but i was thinking more of the line of diving player list in half and one cops top and one cops bottom

[Aneninen]

I've been sleeping and I've just realized that almost everyone has already claimed.

Cop.

[wgeurts]

Well if they shoot someone else so what insanity?
We have 2 cops that will make it to day 2 with results guaranteed, that's less risky than letting everyone take a random shot at someone.

[Netherspite]

Vote Count 1.3

Aneninen (1)

- wgeurts

you have any ideas (2)

- kyndy101, pistachi0n

pistachi0n (1)

- Reubus Swagrid

Metalcyanide (1)

- insanity018

Soviet Crocolisk (1)

- you have any ideas

Mathdino (1)

- MarioManiac4

Reubus Swagrid (1)

- Mathdino

insanity018 (1)

- Aneninen

Not Voting:

Soft-spoken, Marcrell, Metalcyanide, Soviet Crocolisk

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-06-29 02:00:00).

[insanity018]

wgeurts, my point is that there are many situations where the doc claiming the day before has limited or no advantages for town while merely giving the scumteam additional information.

Because getting information out of people matters to me.
Yes there will be multiple cops but this one claimed N1 cop on pg 3 of D1 seems really early to me even for this mass claim plan to say what night your power works, so with that in mind I was hoping he saw something, maybe something that stood out from playing with others before. He also answered so the next part of my question

I don't buy this. Mario is the only person you have tried to get information from. Right after he claimed to be a Night 1 cop.

Did it occur to you that someone (wgeurts) had also been pressuring N1 cops to claim?

[pistachi0n]

Plus the scum are forced to kill the doc otherwise they basically let an IC alive.

No they're not, because then they know that the doc is now a vanilla townie and there's still a pool of people who will be useful in the future they can kill. Claiming nights is helping scum by narrowing down who still has a power role.

There's an 8% chance actually, anyway Reubus you target yhai.

So there's a 92% chance there is no double doc on night 1.

We also have 2 cop claims for night 1. If there's an 8% chance of two docs and an 8% chance of two cops, there's a .64% chance of two cops and two docs on night 1. (.08)x(.08)=(.0064) (Please please tell me if the math is wrong.)

VOTE: wgeurts

[Aneninen]

Netherspite: replace me out, please!

Reason: unexpected work arrived an hour ago. I wouldn't be able to go on with this game well and I don't want to spoil the fun for everyone else just because I'd be terrible.

Before you check it, I'm telling: I'm in other games too. I picked this game because it's only on Page5. I hope a replacement can be found easily for mere 5 pages and my replacement will catch up with the game easily.

Really, really sorry everyone!

[Netherspite]

Netherspite: replace me out, please!

Reason: unexpected work arrived an hour ago. I wouldn't be able to go on with this game well and I don't want to spoil the fun for everyone else just because I'd be terrible.

Before you check it, I'm telling: I'm in other games too. I picked this game because it's only on Page5. I hope a replacement can be found easily for mere 5 pages and my replacement will catch up with the game easily.

Really, really sorry everyone!

Sad to hear that.
Got it, will start looking for a replacement now.

[Aneninen]

Thanks for your understanding!
And I'm sorry for being an aßhole.

[Netherspite]

Fromage replaces Aneninen effective immediately.

[MarioManiac4]

Thanks Fromage!

[Fromage]

So we have two claimed day 1 cops. Right?

I think they should ckeck each other. They are doc-protected, so they are guaranteed to survive the night. We don't risk that the cop checks a person who dies in the same night.

If one of them is scum, we can lynch them tomorrow. If they can clear each other, it's good too. Unless they are both scum (which is unlikely) we have two confirmed players.

Afterwards scum face a dilemma: If they shoot the confirmed innoccents, they shoot players who don't have a night-action anymore. Consequently the other cops will get new results.

What are your thoughts on my proposal?

[Fromage]

Updated claim list:

Well so much for this being easy:

Claim list so far:

Cops:
MathDino

MarioManiac4 – N1 Claim
You have any ideas - N1 Claim

Soviet Crocolisk
Soft-spoken
Fromage

Docs:

Metalcyanide

Wgeurts – N1 claim

Insanity018
Kyndy101
Pistachi0n

Reubus Swagrid - N1 claim

Have not yet claimed:

Marcrell

[kyndy101]

Coolio Sup Fromage! Long time no see! That's an excellent proposal.

Plus the scum are forced to kill the doc otherwise they basically let an IC alive.

No they're not, because then they know that the doc is now a vanilla townie and there's still a pool of people who will be useful in the future they can kill. Claiming nights is helping scum by narrowing down who still has a power role.

There's an 8% chance actually, anyway Reubus you target yhai.

So there's a 92% chance there is no double doc on night 1.

We also have 2 cop claims for night 1. If there's an 8% chance of two docs and an 8% chance of two cops, there's a .64% chance of two cops and two docs on night 1. (.08)x(.08)=(.0064) (Please please tell me if the math is wrong.)

VOTE: wgeurts

Also, did anyone else get a bad vibe the way Wgeurts changed the subject after stating the 8% chance to "Reubus you target yhai" . And Pistachion, I think he was saying that it's 8% chance for 2 docs and 2 cops n1, not 8% chance for 2 docs and 8% to 2 cops. Unless I understood that wrong?

[wgeurts]

Mate, I'm no RNGod

[Fromage]

What do you think of my plan?

[wgeurts]

Me?

[Fromage]

Yes, you. (and everyone else too)

[wgeurts]

I agree with it actually.
One way or another we'll get one/two confirmed town. Except if they're both scum.
Which would require another cop sorting one of the two later game.

[MarioManiac4]

I also agree with the plan of Fromage, replacement of the late Aneninen!

[wgeurts]

Right,
Now enough night talk.
VOTE: MetalCyanide