NY 184: a help (done)

RadiantCowbells · Tue May 26, 2015 3:33 pm

Elyse, if you don't vote me right now I am going to make sure you regret it later.

RadiantCowbells · Tue May 26, 2015 4:12 pm

But you'd vote RC.

So do that.

RadiantCowbells · Wed May 27, 2015 12:39 pm

1109 interests me. more soon.

RadiantCowbells · Wed May 27, 2015 2:58 pm

I guess I could compromise on an Elyse or Oversoul lynch. Ank, I think you're actually gonna have to read some things.

So this is a really weird considering, as Elyse points out, EPM is already on the largest wagon, and Elyse just has me (EPM's principal scumread) and momentum is dying on the Oversoul wagon.

But consider that it came out right when people were starting to scumread Jake slot.

So basically, I see EPM is trying to start a new wagon to get things going on someone other than Jake. and probably threw Elyse in there (which has little popular support for a "compromise") to get my vote especially.

RadiantCowbells · Wed May 27, 2015 2:58 pm

And wow that's such vanilla mafia analysis that I'm sort of ashamed to have to post it. But that's what's going on.

RadiantCowbells · Wed May 27, 2015 3:33 pm

Of all the stuff to respond to you chose that?

RadiantCowbells · Wed May 27, 2015 5:38 pm

hey I think that sitting on RC all day together might look a little suspicious

let's start distancing

RadiantCowbells · Wed May 27, 2015 8:40 pm

So this is something that I've been thinking of for a while but I don't think I've posted in thread.

Here's every single mention of EPM from Jake.

In post 7, Jake from State Farm wrote:
vote: evil pacman

Cause evil = scum ldo

Ugh, now I need a shower

RVS. An argument could be made that scumbuddies often RVS each other but I'm not going to make it.

In post 688, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 687, RadiantCowbells wrote:Anyone noticed that EPM's really not going anywhere despite no one really townreading the slot, and Oversoul keeps looking for excuses to jump off it?

funny all I hear is

Discredits my push onto EPM but doesn't make any comment on it.

In post 809, Jake from State Farm wrote:See let's compare something.

Reasonless vote -
In post 286, Kinetic wrote:UNVOTE: BulgeVOTE: Jake

Reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote
In post 287, Jake from State Farm wrote:Reason?

Reasonless vote -
In post 750, Elyse wrote:VOTE: Oversoul

Not a reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote
In post 774, Oversoul wrote:So, I think Elyse has the worst vote of the last 5 votes.

What is everyone's read on her?

Hmmm.

Tempted by the Matt vote...

Instead of asking elyse to explain her vote, you instead want to ask every single person what their read is on her. That isn't optimal play, that is scum looking to see who they can rile up to get a mislynch.

Earlier you gave both pk and epm town reads because they were scumhunting you, but now elyse votes you out of the blue and this was your chance to try and scumhunt her and pick her brain to see what she was thinking and you instead ignored her and asked others opinions of her?

makes no sense. This makes you more likely to be scum

Again completely fails to address EPM.

In post 810, Jake from State Farm wrote:also want to note that you gave epm a town read and in less than 200 posts you were willing to vote him because somebody else was voting him. I don't recall seeing any real reason from you at the time for your change in reads but i'd have to go back and double check that.

Pushing Oversoul with the justification partially being him voting EPM in a bad way.

In post 811, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 452, Oversoul wrote:RC, why do you think EPM is scum? He is trying to parse the game. He is actively scumhunting me, and he built a more structured/substantial case against you than most of the people on your wagon.

In post 567, Oversoul wrote:I could vote EPM with you.
I've always wanted to be in the LCS.

oh you only wanted to vote EPM so you could gain town cred.

That makes complete sense...

Again, indirectly discredits the people pushing EPM without passing commentary on EPM.

So despite the fact that he's pushed Oversoul in a large part for pushing EPM, he never once claimed a townread or any read on EPM.

Or addressed him directly.

VOTE: Ankamius

I don't like Elyse's last two posts, but that's for another time.

RadiantCowbells · Fri May 29, 2015 2:36 am

In post 1153, The Bulge wrote:How would a replacement be able to tell you Oversoul's thought process any better than what we can interpret?

Lostaway's opinions are total garbage and I wouldn't put much stock in them.

RadiantCowbells · Sat May 30, 2015 6:12 pm

In post 1180, Lostaway wrote:My reasoning is often drunk.

That would explain a lot, actually.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 9:02 am

If I can't get Jake done, my next favourite wagon would be Bulge.

He's scummy in his own right and I'd happily policy lynch the player.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 9:24 am

That's not a good compromise lynch at all.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 9:28 am

What town motivation do you have asking me about it?

It's not a good lynch. end story.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 9:38 am

Like I could say that I just finished tying my shoes and someone would have to ask me why.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 10:18 am

*facepalm*

This is just one hypothetical situation: let's say we were masons together.

What exactly would you expect me to say to that?

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 10:22 am

I didn't say we were masons together.

I have reasons to not want to lynch Oversoul that I'm not going to share with the class today.

If that's not good enough for you then that's not my problem.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 10:29 am

Would you like a boat to go fishing on?

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 10:50 am

All I'm asking is that we don't go after the slot today.

Go ahead and try to twist that how you will but you're getting nothing more from me.

Also, it's "buoyant".

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 10:55 am

In post 1204, pisskop wrote:And dont say jake

OK. Ankamius.

EPM is just as obvscum as Jake.
Bulge would be a great lynch because he's somewhat scummy and I'd be happy to lynch him even if it hit town.
Elyse is probably scum as well.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 11:08 am

You're on Lostaway, not Bulge.

I'd support Bulge but it's not a power wagon like Jake, so as long as this is a thing I'm going to be on it.

RadiantCowbells · Sun May 31, 2015 9:37 pm

Vig / SK please kill Ankamius after, no matter what Lostaway flips.

VOTE: Lostaway

just to make sure there was no counting error.

I mean this isn't the worst lynch since no one wants Lostaway in LyLo, but this wagon happened over Bulge and Ankamius, both of whom had many people professing scumreads on them but with no substantial wagons going down.

Can town all wake the fuck up and stop letting mafia herd your votes?

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:40 pm

In post 1229, evilpacman18 wrote:hmmmm. Lostaway did spend a lot of time defending Bulge from MattP and Elyse before declaring him null in her final reads list. Doesn't look great. I kinda ignored Lostaway for the most part, I'll have to check out her iso in greater detail.
Flubbernugget, do you still think RC is scum? It's less likely if Bulge is also scum.

This is complete crap.

VOTE: EPM

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:47 pm

Which is intended to imply that there's something strange about me voting EPM over Ankamius?

Please.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:32 am

In post 1205, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1204, pisskop wrote:And dont say jake

OK. Ankamius.

EPM is just as obvscum as Jake.
Bulge would be a great lynch because he's somewhat scummy and I'd be happy to lynch him even if it hit town.
Elyse is probably scum as well.

If Ankamius hadn't just voted PK I'd be voting him right now.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:33 am

"OMGUS" meanwhile he pushed the lynch away from Ank and hasn't questioned him at all, except indirectly questioning why I didn't vote him which was an attack on my alignment, not Anks.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:40 am

You're literally making no sense at all so I'm led to the conclusion that you're scum who is floundering because you lost a member.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:43 am

Since when have I had an undying passion to see the slot lynched?

Between the Lostaway flip and the fact that for nearly the entirety of yesterday I was going for EPM over Jake, yes, I am in fact voting for EPM.

Anyway, how's that fail misrep going.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:44 am

Oh, and you didn't direct the lost lynch. You were trying to push other lynches while leaving your vote on Lost, then Kinetic (the dead guy!) jumped on Lost causing all of the other townies to jump on it.

Do you even reality, sir?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:45 am

Oh I just realized I forgot to

VOTE: Pisskop

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:47 am

I'm saying that you're dead meat, and if you really wanted to push this lynch you should have done it with Lostaway alive.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:50 am

So basically you're criticizing my influence and my ability to be townread without at all getting into the question of my alignment.

Reading you loud and clear.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:56 am

You being unable to figure that out seems like a case of you wilfully ignoring the obvious.

That said, EPM never really addressed Lostaway or vice versa, didn't switch the wagon over, and was the only person left on the RC wagon at the end of the day who isn't a known idiot or scum, and was (with Lostaway) pushing my wagon the entire day with no letup.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:57 am

And again, I ask you- why are you ignoring the fact that I spent a huge amount of time yesterday pushing the EPM slot over Jake and trying to use my EPM vote as a scumtell?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:59 am

Also, because Kinetic died with EPM as his principle scumread.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:03 am

Well, one of them, but I want EPM over lost after that flip.

I have never seen your confscum game before.

What's that supposed to mean?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:13 am

After the Jake/Oversoul thing, really?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:26 am

Well I guess that's not necessarily the {reasons} thing that I thought it was.

At any rate

In post 537, pisskop wrote:EPM is good vote.

right after I voted EPM.

In post 1205, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1204, pisskop wrote:And dont say jake

OK. Ankamius.

EPM is just as obvscum as Jake.
Bulge would be a great lynch because he's somewhat scummy and I'd be happy to lynch him even if it hit town.
Elyse is probably scum as well.

After PK asks me who I'm scumreading.

So it strains suspension of disbelief for him to say that he "ignores the meatier posts I made" as an excuse for calling out my EPM vote even though he's at least twice addressed me while I was voting or discussing a scumread on EPM.

And the way he jumped right back off was really weird.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:31 am

Also

Let's let the town decide. I'm saying I'm fairly certain you are scum.

claims a scumread on me.

but

Good. I'm glad we can agree on that. So I asked you why you naked voted EPM. Care to answer?

and

See, that was nice and easy. I just want to make sure you aren't pulling a fast one. ^.^

act as if he's just voting me in order to get information or reaction test me. Change of reasons in less than 10 minutes.

also,

I'm Totes Migrotes okay lynching this sack of useless today.

Even though I fucked up tunneling him in one game (because of a really shitty "reaction test" he made), he's seen my play enough that him calling me a useless sack is at best illogical and is more likely a tactical move because he's worried that I'll end up jumping on him again, but this time correctly.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:32 am

PK has been saying weird stuff and contradicting him all over the place today.

I even made a case, wow!

More votes should follow.

pedit:

EPM is a fine scumread. I voted it, I believe.

unvote

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:43 am

How am I being sarcastic or condescending at all? I linked what you asked for and didn't even address you at all.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:45 am

I mean if we're hearkening back to the original argument between the two of us that could definitely be called sarcastic and condescending, but I don't see how you interpreted 1269 as being sarcastic or condescending towards you.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:24 am

In post 1279, The Bulge wrote:Kinetic kill doesn't really give us much. He was pretty town.

I'm thinking this RC/pisskop exchange could be both scum. Nothing much more than a gut feeling, but I don't like either of them and the way pisskop backed down irked me.

VOTE: pisskop

Wait wait wait, so you thought that we were scum v scum and of the two of us you chose to vote him, even though you were on me for the entirety of yesterday?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:42 am

I mean the gamestate strongly suggests that you're town, PK, but that doesn't explain the absolute nonsense you've been spewing today.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:46 am

So you're saying that you were trying to act like scum as a reaction test in order to see if I'd go lynch you even though last time you did that I ended up claiming and we lost the game.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:49 am

And you're saying your strategy of sorting me was doing the following.

trying to act like scum as a reaction test in order to see if I'd go lynch you even though last time you did that I ended up claiming and we lost the game.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:56 am

And what, I'm just supposed to take that and assume you're town?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:43 pm

How was this conversation dumb, Broseidon?

Do you not see how all over the place PK has been today?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:25 pm

Should I be townreading you right now?

cuz I'm not.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:40 pm

I note that you're not debating your alignment or your tells but just saying "lol rc can't lynch me rekt"

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:13 pm

Grimm, did you ever get back to me on how the post you called me out for wasn't at all what you described it as?

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:41 am

I'd rather not risk lynching someone who isn't going to claim in a game that I have reason to believe is very PR-heavy.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:48 am

There's something way off about PK, stretching back to the post where he said there's no way all 3 scum would be on me, assuming that there were 3 scum.

So now I'm stuck between not wanting to support Jake's wagon and wanting to lynch PK.

I'll just vote the slot I know is scum.

VOTE: EPM

I think Elyse is town though. Elyse is not a known busser and she was way too casual about the Lostaway push.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:50 pm

Hey remember that game where I called out Unlynchable scum from literally their first post, but because everyone cried when I said I was going to just stay on him I switched off, went onto BBT who then lived till LyLo?

Cuz that's not just one game, that's every game.

In short, I'm sick of losing games and days because people ignore my reads

VOTE: epm

I'm not changing my vote and I'm not discussing other wagons until this happens.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:00 pm

Why don't you vote EPM and find out?

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:18 am

How did EPM suddenly become a townread of Ank's after

evilpacman: There's not much of an attempt to get people to see what you're talking about. I found about 2 posts directed towards non-RC people about RC, which is weird for someone who is so sure about his primary scumread and reasonably sure about that slot's partners.

Why have you been so passive in the second half of your ISO?

and other such distancing maneuvers?

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:29 am

Wait so he had the same tone engaging with you as he did with MattP and that means that, since you expressly declared Matt town, EPM would know you're scum and thus talk to you different?

Okay, thanks for the info ankamius. There's really no other interpretation of that.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:51 am

I'm not voting MattP btw.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:27 am

Given the game is a large, we are look at two on and two off...most likely.

Two on and two off my wagon or yours?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:03 pm

I absolutely loathe the tendency on this site to mislynch weak players then complain that the weak players are lynchbait.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:03 pm

Like if we're going to policy Flubber, choo choo all aboard, but be honest about what your intentions are.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:14 pm

It's not coincidence that the only two wagons that are gaining any traction are on the weakest players in the game.

It's not coincidence that I was the biggest wagon of yesterday.

Town needs to not get caught on VIs or anti-town players like OS, Bulge, Flubber and start making real things happen.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:23 pm

yeah, you should.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:25 pm

EPM is not a bad player but is incredibly scummy.

The other two are both scummy but are also bad players so it's not as alignment indicative.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:32 pm

And there's scummy scummy and bad scummy.

Bulge has some of everything but Flubber's mostly the latter category.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:15 pm

Broseidon, I've seen you in enough of my games to know that your opinion on relative player merits is worth jack shit.

You and AP played super cocky and obvscum and tried to get your partner to claim an inno to bail you out when me and Bauss fucked up your shit. Please mate tell me more about good mafia play.

Townwise you failed to my fucking bogus ass JOAT claim and your team only won because the setup was incredibly, incredibly townsided.
(2 mafia goons vs 8 townies 2 masons and a RBer)

Top 3 in this game is kinetic and me, followed by either Matt or Elyse. You don't come close to making the list, mate.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:19 pm

Likeabauss cheating or not, what matters is my own scumhunting ability and I fucked your scumteam up and you couldn't handle my own scumgame which is admittedly a colossal joke.

You guys forfeited because I wrecked you so hard.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:20 pm

And you're going to watch this game as your shitty Flubbernugget scumread turns to nothing and EPM flips scum.

You can kiss my ass until then.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:24 pm

I forced your partner to claim with an inno on you, and I pushed the game forward.

Yeah, Nhammen was terrible and there's a reason I bussed him.

I caught your scumgame, you failed against my scumgame. Pretty simple there really.

Your shit day 1 read on Elyse bears mentioning, though.

This is you underestimating Elyse's scumgame.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:25 pm

And since the crux of my commentary was about scumhunting ability anyway, the rest of it goes to the wayside.

I don't care who is better at getting town support or avoiding the lynch. I'm the one who catches scum here.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:26 pm

And before you say it, Lostaway was not a townread and you can read it there.

I only changed my mind about that towards the end because of the way it happened over other wagons, but in hindsight it's pretty clear scum would be happy to bus that player.

Elyse didn't drive a wagon on her partner while you were a viable lynch option. She's 100% town.

This is you underestimating Elyse's scumgame.

scum would be happy to bus that player.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:29 pm

Do I need to show you my two quotes again?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:31 pm

Wrong about what? cuz short of being an IC I'm watching Elyse nonstop.

You should jump on EPM though.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:39 am

In post 1419, Ankamius wrote:RadiantCowbells: Tone down the ego. It's never protown.

I mean, I'm not the one who started making lists of players from strongest to weakest.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:42 pm

Not going to comment on any other potential wagons until this one happens.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:36 pm

who has conveniently removed himself for all further discussion now that the lynch he wants looks promising

I can't say that this is inaccurate.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:29 am

Then he will write me a check for one million dollars if all the scum are on the same wagon. Hehe.

Too bad you weren't here yesterday.

I've been pining for RC.

Aww I love you too.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:47 am

So you're saying you believed the claim of 1-shot super wagon sensor?

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:53 am

*pats PK on head*

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:58 pm

There'll be peace when you are done.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:02 am

So much strength of will required to not comment on things.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:37 am

In post 1493, BROseidon wrote:Actually I'm kind of eh with who's on this wagon.

VOTE: Boonskies

lol

RadiantCowbells · Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:30 pm

I'm going to be V/LA for the weekend so I won't be back to change votes

and I wouldn't change votes anyway so just lynch EPM.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:38 pm

Once I rose above the noise and confusion~
Once I caught a glimpse beyond this illusion~
I was floating ever higher~
But I flew too high~

RadiantCowbells · Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:41 pm

This is the weakest push I have ever done. It's almost like inverted, the less I try, the more likely it is for people to get lynched.

Still glad EPM is likely scum.

I've begin to get this feeling as well.

Though my eyes can see I still was a blind man~
Though my mind could think I still was a mad man~
I hear the voices when I'm dreaming~
I can hear them say~

Carry on my wayward son~
There'll be peace when you are done~
Lay your weary head to rest~
Don't you cry no more~

Masquerading as a man with a reason~
My charade is the event of the season~
And if I claim to be a wise man~
It surely means that I don't know~

On a stormy sea I blew in the ocean~
Tossed about like a ship in the ocean~
Set a course for winds of fortune~
but I hear the voices say~

Carry on my wayward son~
There'll be peace when you are done~
Lay your weary head to rest~
Don't you cry no more~

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:36 am

VOTE: MattP

I can't say that I'm at all unhappy about that vig shot, although Grimm was clearly town, albeit a fool and a hypocrite.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:54 am

You've been absolutely no use to me and if you're town I'll be happy to see you gone.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:54 am

You're not though.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:47 pm

I'm a macho townie.

By some setup shenanigans, I am also functionally a miller to gunsmith.

Broseidon, what are your results?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:54 pm

Alright, so with the claims I'd actually rather lynch Bulge.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:00 pm

Bro, if this is the case though you royally fucked up.

If you were killed last night, everyone in the game would have assumed your inno was on MattP.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:01 pm

Also MattP I have faith in you if I die.

What the shit is that coming from a GS with an inno on someone else?

That could have lost us the fucking game right there.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:09 pm

Saying that my read is shit versus claiming that you have faith in someone if you die.

That's not even a funny joke.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:22 pm

Grimm died.

You could have easily made us think you inno'd maf and handed Matt the game.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:27 pm

I could see Bro scum but Bro's claim will back him into a corner if he is scum.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:29 pm

I have no words for the way Broseidon played if he's gunsmith, which I fully believe right now.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:33 am

So we can waste time doing a bunch of pointless lynches or we can kill Matt and end this.

I'm leaning towards the latter but if you guys want to go through a bunch of days we can do that instead.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:14 am

Well we can do this one of two ways.

My vote, however, is not moving.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:08 am

Titus, if I supported VCA I'd instalynch you.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:12 am

Matt's been on a lot of town led wagons, that's a fact.

But he also immediately jumped on OS when OS got into the whole meta shebang about the previous game (that has thankfully ended), which is the kind of thing scum wanting to lay low do; they jump on someone for reasonable reasons but that don't indicate scum and aren't expected to go anywhere.

He also didn't vote for either scum flip.

There was also the "regardless of alignment" post in D1 where he was trying to set up to vote for me as policy even though he had me as a townread.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:15 am

In post 843, MattP wrote:*le sigh*

In post 841, MattP wrote:Again, this is regardless of alignment. Scum, town, whatever. We're all peeps trying to have a good time.

In post 838, MattP wrote:^ This is regardless of either of our alignment. I'm talking about spirit of the game in general.

Why else bring up his alignment repeatedly?

Very pre-emptively defensive.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:58 am

My behaviour was out of line and I don't grudge you for calling it out.

You're still scum though.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 1666, Elyse wrote:
In post 1634, Titus wrote:Forgot Elyse there but she might be there solely due to ineptitude.

Ok Titus ok.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Meh.

In post 1668, Elyse wrote:Ok hopefully I can lynch you then

Something incongruous here.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:40 pm

But she is, after all, the one inno'd by Broseidon, not MattP...

Right?

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:42 pm

Someone like... you?

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:10 pm

Just vote him with me, please.

This game has left a sour taste in my mouth. I just want it done.

I'm a difficult lynch bc im pretty adorable/cute i like to think???

You're a difficult lynch because Bro townreads you. No other reason.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:21 pm

Which would make you fit snugly into the category of

It's likely the remaining scum has been playing a strong game

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:32 pm

How is that fallacious at all?

You just defended yourself by saying that only two people are scumreading you.

That would mean you're in a strong position, aka playing a strong game.

Do you even reason bro?

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:36 pm

But you're still scum.

And if it wasn't and you were worried about that, why would you be voting Boonskiies, the easiest lynch in the game?

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:39 pm

Squawk!

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:43 pm

*pecks at MattP*

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:46 pm

My tunneling may be bird brained, but the reads that cause it aren't.

It does bear noting that you haven't brought up your alignment, just complained about my tunneling and said "everyone else townreads me!".

RadiantCowbells · Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:49 pm

Then in postgame it's going to be all "oh you didn't really scumread me you were just confbiasing and got lucky."

And it seems like, no matter how many times it happens, people believe it.

Should learn better, yo.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:29 am

Except for, y'know, the fact that it assumes someone's town.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:49 am

Well, it explicitly labels me as town.

It assumes someone else is town.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:57 pm

You know if you parcel out townreads to everyone who townreads you you're going to eventually run out of lynches.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:36 pm

I'm not touching Titus today.

Boon, I thought better of you.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:39 pm

It's not so funny when you realize that if Bro died last night you would have been falsely cleared and won this shitty game.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:09 pm

You say that even though A BACKUP EVEN NIGHT GUNSMITH HAS ALREADY FLIPPED.

Lostaway, a Mafia Even-Night-Only Backup Gunsmith, was lynched Day 1.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 1797, MattP wrote:
In post 1791, Boonskiies wrote:
Even so, I think this game was highly town-aligned and obviously should have done without the cop-power pisskop had.

Which is a really odd thing for town to say because I for one have no goddamn clue what's left on the scum team.

There could be two scum alive, there could be some ridiculous scum PR, maybe even a scum vig or at least a role cop.

This is MattP knowing what the scum has and feeling the set up was set against him.

I could honestly see Titus scum with the effort to cast doubt on our ability to PoE but I'm telling you, Matt's scum.

If there's another scumbum, we can look into Titus.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:31 pm

You won't be laughing pretty soon.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:34 pm

Titus, you've seen my town game.

How many favours do I need to call in to get this lynch?

Side note, I think Boonskiies is onto something.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:37 pm

Titus might be scum, but I already know you are.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:00 pm

I claim backup Annie.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:00 pm

JK of course. I'm a full Annie.

RadiantCowbells · Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:02 pm

I already claimed.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:12 am

I jailkept Bicephalous Bob N1 and Annie N2.

Which is to say, I'm not a JK.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:20 am

After we lynch you, we'll know.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:27 am

There's nothing stagnant about voting scum.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:39 am

You know, the point where he needs me as a later lynch and he wants to have me fakeclaiming as backup for his case.

NBD.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:09 am

It's not bullshit at all, but thanks for noticing.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:16 am

Did you or did you not vote MattP with me, Titus?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:37 am

You're still scum, I'll still lynch you tomorrow.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:42 am

I have no use arguing with you.

I disagree that you've objectively bashed my points at all. You've made semi-plausible assertions that are unverifiable and present a different picture of why you've done things, but I find the version where you're scum far more compelling.

You're out of time.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:48 am

Explain how any single point I've made is logically inconsistent.

Do it.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:56 am

You're the one being logically consistent there.

You said that the last scum was playing a solid game. I pointed out you are in the solid game category.

You got mad at me for misusing your logic, but that's precisely what led me to force you to agree in

Pretty sure a lot of people are townreading me

Try harder.

I'm sorry, but wasn't I on this slot when it was a HARD lynch too? I didn't just start scumreading the slot post-boonskies replace in

You just see whatever you want to see. You're tunneling is bird brained

That only changes the part where it defend you alignment wise.

It still makes you nonsense for arguing that scum played a solid game then voting the person who is weakest at that point in time.

You act like this is a trend of mine, so I'd love to see some more examples

That's not just a trend of yours, that's a trend in this whole game.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:15 am

1) Again, I am clearly in the middle of the spectrum between being a universal townread (A) and a universal scumread (B). You stated I was heavily towards the B side of the spectrum. Then when I pointed out I was not, you concluded that I was therefore heavily towards the A side of the spectrum, completely disregarding I could be in the middle of the spectrum (which I am). And the best part is that you clearly initially were saying I was on the B side to take away any potential bragging rights you feared I would have if I was scum and did win the game, and then you tried to immediately thereafter go 180 degrees and say the opposite was true, that I was on the A side, to justify me being scum based on my OWN interpretation of EPM's actions in the game. You tried using my logic to justify your narrative AND accused me of two different things within 2 subsequent posts that were complete opposites of each other

I baited you into a trap and you fell for it.

2) Sure, I did contradict my own logic by voting Boonskies at that time. You didn't clarify that was your point at the time I called you out though, you just dropped the subject altogether

I won't drop the subject till you're dead.

3) First off, I have NOT once townread someone after they started townreading me. Second, if it is a trend this whole game then what does that have to do with me?

It doesn't?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:32 pm

You all can keep saying that but you all are wrong.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:41 pm

If you're claiming mason claim it for reals because that means we're looking at 4 scum guaranteed and scum will probably already know if you're telling the truth.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:48 pm

Tomorrow though.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:23 pm

If there's a 4th scum, it's Matt.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:23 pm

I'll be glad if this is scum but I'm not feeling it.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:36 pm

Bro, I'm not going to tell you who to check.

However, if you don't check MattP then we're lynching him tomorrow.

If that bothers you, check him.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:38 pm

OK if guilty then we lynch them instead.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:42 pm

Scum!Bro in 3 scum will solve itself.

Scum!Bro in 4 scum could still prove an issue but we'll PoE him if we get his partner.

But 4 scum would mean we have more PRs left.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:20 pm

VOTE: MattP

I don't buy an inno on Ank.

I actually think PK was role blocked, hence him softclaiming JOAT to get people off of him.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:20 pm

Regardless, we only need one more lynch and this is the one.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:33 pm

I don't know why he's bringing it up, but he'd 180 on it immediately.

If you're concerned with my towniness, lynch me, see my flip, then instalynch matt tomorrow. Except you'll be dead.

He's scum, 100%.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:35 pm

Like hell, I'll gladly be lynched tomorrow if we lynch Matt today and he flips town. It won't happen.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:37 pm

Ank, as Matt said, obvtowned the slot.
Flubber has given me reasons to townread him since very early on in the game and the timing of his jump off the wagon makes no sense as scum.

Who does that leave?

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:38 pm

Titus I can see because Bulge was a fuck and Titus did nothing to bring the slot back up.

There is no way in hell we are not lynching Matt today.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:38 pm

Also, note MattP's heel face turn on my alignment because he's realized he can't leave me till later in the game and he can't waste an NK on me because of PoE.

Unvote Flubber.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:41 pm

I'm not arguing anymore.

Matt's the last scum and I'm not switching votes for the rest of the game bar a guilty (which there won't be.)

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:51 pm

I never said you were a bad player.

But you're still scum.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:25 pm

I refuse to agree to that.

Flubber has been generally scummy but has done ridiculously towny things.

I do not want a Flubber lynch, period.

Lynch Matt today.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:26 pm

I'm an investigative. I have a guilty on Matt.

We're lynching in the two of us today.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:27 pm

I refuse to agree because it's clear that I can't trust you to lynch matt.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 1936, MattP wrote:Holy jeez I dislike playing with you

No free wins in my games.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:30 pm

Call it what you want, but we're not lynching Flubber.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:31 pm

I am a 1-shot vanilla cop.

Matt is non-vanilla.

He has not claimed any sort of PR.

Lynch him now.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:33 pm

I'm done talking to you.

Hopefully Elyse and Von have more sense.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:36 pm

Yeah, I guess that fakeclaim would have worked better in the new ruleset.

You're still scum though.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:39 pm

You're trying to save my ML for LyLo because you're going to get lynched after I go down either way.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:39 pm

Boon, if you mistrust me that's fine.

I will selfvote if I have 4 people agree to lynch Matt tomorrow.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:41 pm

I care so little for how you criticize my playstyle for trying to lynch you.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:43 pm

Broseidon was displeased about that in 167 too.

Scum never like being caught.

RadiantCowbells · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:45 pm

In post 970, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 864, BROseidon wrote:
In post 861, Flubbernugget wrote:Bulge/OS/RC(??)/Grimm/Piss(??) scumteam

Too many scum, try again

Why are you implying I should have 100% confidence in my reads right now

Boon, unvote until I can talk to our resident conftowns.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:45 am

There's not enough claimed PRs for there to be 4 scum.

You're townier than Jake but I wouldn't townread your slot in a vacuum.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:49 am

I mean my issue is that there's all the terrible associative tells between you and EPM from when Jake had the slot.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:55 am

I'm trying to think if we can force Boonskiies to make a target that will force him to PoE himself out if he's scum.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:01 am

Okay so we have 2 clears.

Boonskiies dying clears the slot.

Boonskiies living lets scum kill a clear and leaves us with 2 clears + Boon + 1 unchecked + me

We lynch the unchecked or me and it goes into 3 way with Boon, a clear, and the remaining person.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:14 am

Boon!Scum seems relatively benign given that we can force him to check Flubber and then he has to go into lylo versing me or Ankamius, if he even gets there. Might catch him out on his claims, too.

Matt's still the best lynch.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:16 am

Boon is nonsensing it up today, though.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:22 am

If it wasn't mathematically the incorrect play I'd be voting you right now.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:41 am

You're neither basically confirmed nor will you become confirmed shortly (read-ever) unless you die, which is actually reasonably likely if you're town.

Voting you right now is mathematically wrong for town, I'll agree with that. But I don't agree that it makes him scum.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:44 am

He does not want me lynched today.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:48 am

Remember that EPM guy?

Yeah, that was all me.

*raises hands in air for standing ovation*

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:50 am

We'll talk about the quality of my play when I've seen your flips.

I'm positive that scum is in you two.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:51 am

Just because I annoy you, doesn't mean I'm not right.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:52 am

If we lynch Flubber, btw, you not checking Matt will be grounds for an instant policy lynch and I'm betting I won't be the only one to do so.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:54 am

Didn't say you wouldn't but I'm not going into tomorrow without at least one of you cleared or flipped.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:55 am

In post 1996, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 1993, RadiantCowbells wrote:If we lynch Flubber, btw, you not checking Matt will be grounds for an instant policy lynch and I'm betting I won't be the only one to do so.

The only possible options for investigating would be you and matt. Either way I went would confirm the other. The fact that you stated it as a PL is the only reason I'm doubting my flubber read due to my paranoia of you being scum.

PL makes it totally clear to you that I don't care how much you try to obvtown your slot if you don't do that.

It was not an accident.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:57 am

*Flubber lynch*
*Boonskiies checks RC/Ankamius*
*No clear within Boon/MattP*

I'd think you could have figured that out yourself.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:59 am

If Pisskop checked Ank, why did he claim JoAT but not leave a clearer token as to his investigate?

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:01 am

Saying that you don't scumread someone is not an inno.

PK went to the trouble of claiming JOAT and was all angsty about being the death when Broseidon said something about it.

If he had an inno, he would have made it much more explicit or he wouldn't have claimed JOAT.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:07 am

That says scum!Boon.

I'm willing to lynch him over Matt at this point.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:10 am

He's basically just assuming he's going to be a universal townread and flipping out at people for not universally townreading him.

That says flailing scum.

Boon is usually pretty town and I don't know where he gets off calling me incompetent.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:11 am

pretty reasonable as town*

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:34 am

In post 2017, Boonskiies wrote:I can also show you a list of games where I've replaced/been super inactive in early game, and then I come into the game late, and call out the remaining scum with near perfect reads.

Meaningless when it's your alignment and not your scumhunting ability that's in question.

You may flip out as town but that doesn't mean you don't as scum, and your play is completely all over the place as well as your favourite wagon, Flubber, being cancerously lynchbait.

And everyone who is saying that Ankamius was copped is edging me out because it's clear to me the setup has a scum roleblocker and it's also clear to me that PK was on edge on D2, and if he really had a cop inno and was willing to claim JOAT in the sidestep way he did, I'm sure he would have made a much clearer indication of his result than a sidestep "besides not scumreading you." which only happened AFTER he tried to call me out for NOT instavoting the slot.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:37 am

Ankamius is probtown, I'm not denying that.

But I'm pretty sure people are using that whole PK thing as a grab for towncred because they don't intend to push a lynch on Akamius anyway.

And yes, my alignment was being questioned

That's my goddamn point. I don't care how solid your scumhunting game is if you're front and center as a scumread.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:38 am

And I'm sick of this Boon diversion because it's not the right lynch for today anyway.

Scum!Flubber will be gone at some point. Scum!Matt may not.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:44 am

You're intentionally twisting my words.

I never called your scumhunting into question.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:46 am

I had your partner pegged since D2.

I had a strong inkling that Monkeyman was inno.

I fucked up on Elbirn, but that's it.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:48 am

Hell I basically handed you this fucking game by having scum self destruct on me then giving you EPM for free.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:51 pm

Lylo:

"oh i guess i must have been wrong about PK's visit."

"Why would I have brought that up if I was scum and knew I needed to lynch him?"

RadiantCowbells · Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:33 pm

I'm not willing to risk 5 way with both of you still alive.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:59 am

Short answer: fuck you.

Long answer: I don't trust town to lynch Matt in 5 way.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:19 am

Scum!Matt can go on to win this game.
Scum!Boon can go on to win this game.

If we lynch Flubber today, I can't guarantee that you idiots won't lynch me instead tomorrow.
From there, only one of you can get lynched.

I am not changing my vote.

You have given no reasons that I find worthwhile to give up on the guaranteed opportunity to have both of my scumreads lynched.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:31 am

Good gracious, would you?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:31 pm

Matt won't be alive to be checked.

Choose who you want outside of that.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:32 pm

Do I really need to put it in writing that I'm expecting you to be roleblocked if you're town?