Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

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[Elbirn]

Uhh

UNVOTE:

[Rainbowdash]

Such roles are deactivated in Lylo.

RBD, you are not vanilla in that setup. You changed yourself with KJ being the most likely.

Why KJ? As we all have discussed already Elbrin was confirmed town. From perspective of scum there, you send off two kills to the top two town reads (using what "happened" it would be you and Elbrin). It ends with both dying or d3x and one of them dying. If you JKed KJ the bus drive would just move it off of him either way.

So I drive myself with KJ... lufan is now killing an unprotected KJ as bus drive resolves first
Aristo kills You.

How does KJ (again - him over Elbrin) not die there?

One of a few things happened

1) Scum and d3x targeted me
2) d3x targeted me, you blocked KJ
3) Scum killing KJ
4) Lufan being scum
5) You targeting Lufan

RBD, if lufan would vote you after an Air flip, we need to remove Air scum today and pray our protective roles lied and duck things up for scum. The lufan issue will always exist. It's a lame copout. If you think Ari is scum, vote him.

Actually lufan issue doesn't always exist. If we lynch kthnx today it would force scum to take lufan to F3 (as Aristo would still be required to first be scum) which could reduce chance of them being town fail link. I think that with two scum takedowns lufan would be able to reconsider things. Sometimes you have to lynch in a correct order, this is one of those situations. You cant honestly expect lufan to vote a player that's not me tomorrow with an Aristo-scum flip.

It's between Kthx and no-lynching for me today. Want a votecount though.

So ready for kthnx lynch now? It actually looks like its happening.

Also double good is lynching him actually confirms Titus as scum in that small off chance. You getting something catches her in a lie there.

Now im super paranoia-ing myself so need to step away for a second.

[Titus]

Yeah RBD, you try to sell your wagon as inevitable to scum, who you know will not bus and you doubtcast me at the same time to get this kthx wagon through rather than vote Ari who you also think is scum.

Lufan held off voting for quite some time. There are some scenarios where I would vote you immediately as well.

[Rainbowdash]

You didn't answer how KJ doesn't die.

If scum bus drove the kill to him, the JK would have been bussed OFF him as well.

I bus drive myself and KJ
Other scum targets you.

JK moves to me
KJ dies by lufan
d3x dies by redirect

What happened last night. How does KJ not die?

[Titus]

D3x swaps with me.
Kthx gets legit result.
D3x dies because scum tried to kill me.

I try to jail kj.
You swap kj with you or lufan.
Thus you or lufan is in jail, meaning no nk of you.


How does lufan not kill you in your scenario?

[Rainbowdash]

D3x swaps with me.
Kthx gets legit result.
D3x dies because scum tried to kill me.

I try to jail kj.
You swap kj with you or lufan.
Thus you or lufan is in jail, meaning no nk of you.

Yeah look at your second part.

You target KJ. I target myself and KJ. Bus drive resolves and you target me, lufan targets KJ. KJ would have died.

Why did KJ not die there?

How does lufan not kill you in your scenario?

I already mentioned all of the possibilities

1) d3x targeted me (kthnx is scum and lying) and scum either also targeted me or KJ got blocked by you
2) lufan is scum (so no second kill existed)
3) You are scum (targeted lufan for frame)

[Titus]

None of those explain the NAR problem.

[Rainbowdash]

None of those explain the NAR problem.

If I was driven with KJ it means you targeted me, and lufan would have targeted KJ. That means KJ would have died.

Where is that wrong? Where is the second kill?

[Titus]

The NAR problem is frankly how did Jingle steal kthx vote?

Why won't you vote Ari if convinced he is scum?

You can either line up the kills or fix the NAR problem but not both.

[Rainbowdash]

The NAR problem is frankly how did Jingle steal kthx vote?

Where does "turn vanilla" and "vote steal" fit into NAR? I could very easily see a mod deciding to resolve "turn vanilla" along the mod notes line of "

if action is successful player turns vanilla at end of night

" meaning that it doesn't act as a roleblocker

Why won't you vote Ari if convinced he is scum?

Because kthnx is more scum by a large margin. Very large margin and its been growing fast. Im letting this day go to no lynch before voting him.

You can either line up the kills or fix the NAR problem but not both.

So where did the kill go? Can you come up with any scenario that isn't one of what I pointed out? Are you going to just dodge that whole question?

How is there only one kill? Give me scenarios. Same question to everypony else. Show me some situations that I did not already bring up that actually can explain only one kill.

[Titus]

I already fucking did. Jingle RBD Ari.

You never intended to bus. I am not voting kthx.

[Titus]

That's fucking gibberish. You are fabricating an ooo which is not allowed. This is an NAR game.

[Rainbowdash]

I already fucking did. Jingle RBD Ari.

What happened last night then? Where did the lufan kill go?

It couldn't have gone to KJ. If I got bussed with him than I eat the JK and KJ eats the lufan kill. Where is the lufan kill?

[Titus]

You swapped KJ with you or lufan. I already said this 10 fucking times.

[Rainbowdash]

You swapped KJ with you or lufan. I already said this 10 fucking times.

If I swapped KJ with me KJ would have died. As previously stated.
Swapping KJ and lufan would be just gambling on what you did and what lufan would do... so that's out based on logic

So neither of those work.

What else you got?

[Titus]

Tri bus is possible. NAR has not been resolved in your scenario. Jingle CANNOT act if Ari vanillaizer him.

[Titus]

While it is possible kthx is scum, that NAR must be resolved to conclude anything.

[Titus]

Fuck this.

Mod define Natural Action Resolution.

[Rainbowdash]

While it is possible kthx is scum, that NAR must be resolved to conclude anything.

We have two separate things occurring.

The first is with the kill. The second is with Aristo/Jingle.

I am asking about the kill, which has absolutely no bearing on Aristo/Jingle here. Those are two different interactions between players that have zero overlap.

[Titus]

RBD, I am not concluding anything at all until.I resolve NAR. If that does not happen until deadline, so be it. I am not going to throw this game.

[Jingle]

I already fucking did. Jingle RBD Ari.

You never intended to bus. I am not voting kthx.

Okay, but reevaluate when Ari flips scum vanillaizer.

Tri bus is possible. NAR has not been resolved in your scenario. Jingle CANNOT act if Ari vanillaizer him.

Which is why I'm considering that there's someone else who is the votethief. The only way I am is if Anti mod-errord (completely understandable given it isn't actually his game) and won't confirm it because it confirms me.

I feel like I went over this.

Also, I'll be gone all of tomorrow for a concert in Portland, but I'll see ya'll on Friday.

[Rainbowdash]

The problem is you are trying to speculate how two VERY non-standard roles interact.

Not sure I have seen a game or mod that makes JK resolve before driver though.

[Jingle]

Thought...

@Mod- Does this setup follow NAR?

Yes.



Also: Aristophanes and Mainez have been prodded.

I'm not gonna point at the link to NAR that the mod said he was using, where NAR is defined. I promise.

[Rainbowdash]

Thought...

@Mod- Does this setup follow NAR?

Yes.



Also: Aristophanes and Mainez have been prodded.

I'm not gonna point at the link to NAR that the mod said he was using, where NAR is defined. I promise.

Boy will you look at that. That page sure suggests the bus drive would happen before the block... and that Vanilla-ize and Vote Steal both being miscellaneous would happen at once.

Now we play the waiting game... because I think this should prove to Titus that one of KJ and lufan are apparently guaranteed scum or something like that.