Mini 1679: Baccano! Mafia - Game Over

[Metal Sonic]

shit

[Big The Cat]

Many of Kalimar's Actions are Easy Things For Scum To Do!


Sheeping Largest Wagon, for example.

Asking Pointless Questions, is another one.

Making Vague Theory Statements, is yet another Easy Thing For Scum To Do!

D'Oh!

Sheepie?

its 1 am

[JohnnyFarrar]

I did it. I figured out who Big was.

What makes Kalimer doing those things more scummy than say, me doing those things?

[Big The Cat]

You aren't doing those things.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Reason stated for me joining the last wagon (and this one for that matter) is sheeping, and I'm pretty sure the reason CD shot me was me saying pointless things

[Big The Cat]

Reason stated for me joining the last wagon (and this one for that matter) is sheeping, and I'm pretty sure the reason CD shot me was me saying pointless things

There's more to it than that. You're not as scummy as him, period.

Plus, you have the benefit of me looking at you and knowing you in Twin Trap. I don't know Kalimar, and I'm judging him entirely with my generic rules.

[Big The Cat]

I did it. I figured out who Big was.

Not completely.........

Anyway, the way I see it:

Vote Count 1.08

CooLDoG

[Lynched]

- Mainez, JohnnyFarrar,

Mikazuki

, West9, notquitethere,

Beer

, Kalimar

Johnny was vengeful'd and still alive (immortal)

Scum isn't Mainez because Big has meta. So that wagon is obviously down to West9, NQH, Kalimar. It definitely wasn't an all town wagon. Our vote is in a good spot.

(Froggy - the other head)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Bwoooooring. Will let Kalimer field this wagon and see how it goes.

LolMainezthinksBeer'sstillalive

It'd be neat if somebody found and quoted all the votes on CD while I'm away

Pedit: are we assuming immortals are town now?

[Varsoon]

Ahah, knew it. <3

[Varsoon]

Also, the flavor of the show had plenty of antagonists that were both immortal and not.

[West9]

I am here and not dead. Sorry I had to be prodded. Reading up, hoping to catch up by tonight

[West9]

Johnny stole my idea, but I was gonna do this anyway.

CooLDoG wagon votesummary:

Beer

Spoiler:

CoolDog's 69 is awful - I would expect town who thinks Mainez isn't scum hunting to have more specific thoughts on why the questions Mainez *did* ask weren't legitimate; instead he just writes it off as "not scumhunting". The part re: Aris comes across really forced and like someone reaching to find an original reason to go along with the Aris scum read.

Vote: CoolDog

Mainez

Spoiler:

reads as, "I would rather not scum hunt." Vote stays.

What do you make of Main's 29/30? Have her recent posts affected your read on her?

Man, I want to vote this guy too. Every post I read just gets worse and worse. It feels like he is flailing after getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Every post is just a justification for the last post that he made... I don't know, I really want to see if my initial vote has any legs though. Will come back to this in the future.

Even if Aris *was* flailing, which I don't really see, what about this is scummy? Why wouldn't you expect a town player to justify previous posts they made when questioned about them?

these seem like pretty obvious questions that anyone was going to ask. Any given player would ask those questions, thus it does not contribute to a read either way.

@JohnnyFarrar
can you say something regarding the game, i don't really like the 4 posts you have made thus far.

part of my problem with this player can be found here. There is not even an implicit reason given for disliking certain posts AND there is an easy way out due to the very non-committal language.

seriously?
any given player would ask those questions? lol
also do i have to spell everything out for you?
it looks like you're just finding reasons to go against me and they are weak WEAK

VOTE: CooLDog

Johnny

Spoiler:

Best vote right now is Beer's vote for cool dog (even better with CD's current posting) but I want to know why they think Domino and Bro or town to make sure he's not crazy pants before hopping on that wagon

Beer's answer is alright VOTE: CoolDog

Mikazuki

Spoiler:

I usually only get angry when someone insists on claiming the same, obviously incorrect point over and over again because I find it extremely annoying.

VOTE: Cooldog

I'll wait for West to catch up, looks like the doggy is next in line then.

West

Spoiler:

I like johnny and am fine with this Cooldog wagon. VOTE: Cooldog

notquitethere

Spoiler:

The more I look at it, his low engagement jabs aren't convincing me that we should avoid Cool's wagon.

VOTE: CoolDog

Kalimar

Spoiler:

i would like cooldog to claim

i would like content from the replacements

i will hammer when the above things have happened, or if the day is still continuing at the same time tomorrow

vote: cooldog

-fin-

I'm gonna split up the analysis into a different post to clean this up a bit.

[West9]

Mainez seemingly votes for CD because of CD's reaction to Mainez's RVS vote, but the CD vote happens a long way down in that discussion, and throughout the whole thing, Mainez kept holding onto that RVS vote.

Johnny sheeped, but after saying that he wanted to make sure Beer was a good person to sheep. Later describes CD's "brand of wrong" (294) as being scummy.

NQT says that he "doesn't see" the Cooldog wagon in 403, then votes for it 9 posts later.

Kalimar previews the hammer, then hammers. Previously talked about CooLDoG in 293, 335, and 375.

Questions:
Mainez: Why wait so long on the CD vote?
Johnny: What were your reservations about joining the CD wagon at first? I had trouble following the whole "making sure Beer isn't crazy pants" thing.
NQT: What happened in between 403 and 412
Kalimar: Did somebody hit you with the "really good reasoning" you said you needed, or did you hammer just to hammer?

VOTE: NQT

[West9]

please tell me if I missed some things, especially from the time that I wasn't in the game yet. Harder to read through that stuff w/o memories of seeing it unfold.

[ToastyToast]

@Big if you tell me something super convincing about Toast between now and next time I look at this you'll get a nice loud sheep.

People can suspect me if they want, but this is just...yikes.
If you suspect me, just say it rather than hide behind someone else.

Also who are you and what did you do to JohnnyFarrar?

[ToastyToast]

Scum isn't Mainez because Big has meta. So that wagon is obviously down to West9, NQH, Kalimar. It definitely wasn't an all town wagon. Our vote is in a good spot.

This I agree with. Do you think votes like Kalimar's, which was done right before deadline/we were running out of time, is any more/less scummy than votes with more reasoning?

[Mainez]

OH MY GOSH WHY IS MS HERE WHAT THE HECK LOL

[Mainez]

LolMainezthinksBeer'sstillalive

oh face palm... i was tired...

[Aristophanes]

OH MY GOSH WHY IS MS HERE WHAT THE HECK LOL

[Big The Cat]

Surprise!

Ho Ho Ho!

~Big

[Mainez]

Mainez: Why wait so long on the CD vote?

do you mean why i waited so long to vote CooLDoG?
did i? i don't think i did.

[Big The Cat]

[Mainez]

now you're like literally here oh gosh i'm traumatised

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Maniez
Content or GTFO.
You said you would look at the game over the night, did you? What did you learn? What are your reads and why?

You did very little of anything yesterday, and today (in-game days) you have done 100% Rolespec and useless/rhetorical questions.
How about addressing someone on their stances or words, questioning that instead of something nobody knows or something which encourages more info out in the open for scum.

i didn't have time to do that much of a look at the game as i wanted and i'm actually pretty busy with RL matters at the moment too. i know it's my bad, but i'm trying my best.

right now, i'm leaning towards BRO as scum, who is now replaced by Big The Cat, who hasn't helped his case either.
some posts i picked out:
post 323 - don't like this, he's saying he thinks CooLDoG isn't scum but will lynch him if necessary, there was like 5 days left, why not push for what you feel strongly for? he did push a little in post 325 but that was only because Beer asked for it.
post 326 - what's wrong with arguing? doesn't it help sort things out? we can actually catch certain stuff that may be a little out of place or stuff like that.
post 367 - using meta as defense is dumb. won't town actually try to let the other party understand his stand/explanation?
post 368 - simply shutting down people and using gut as reason (and unwillingness to explain too).

and Big The Cat's posts are just mehhhhhhh, don't like the flippant approach, will wait for his future posts and see how it goes.

i'm looking into Beer and Kalimar as well for being the last 2 on the wagon, more on this next time.

would also appreciate more content from West9 as his quality of posts is not making up for his lack of activity.

I actually liked Bro's responded somewhat more than I like to admit.
He shut down arguments that were likely to go nowhere and tried to start/push things he thought were better routes.
Trying not to bog down the thread with deadend arguments where nobody will be convinced either way is more town than you give it credit for.

And from what I have seen of Bro, he does just call people dumb if he thinks it. It wasn't a defense so much as a fact I think.

If you are unsure of this slot, why not question/push/engage the Kitty and see what you gain?
Calling them "meh" is itself meh.

Are you solely looking at Kal (and Beer originally) because they were the last votes on the wagon or did you find their votes scummy?

West's posts are rather empty, yes.
Dies this make him scummy or?

What do you think of the current votes and, since you mentioned looking at 3/7 on the CoolDog wagon, who do you think is scum on that wagon and why?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ari looks great more people talk go