Newbie 1613: Mafia in the Summer (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.06

Drixx (3) - JumpsToConclusions, radmann9, Cthulhu Dreaming
radmann9 (2) - Aneninen, DoctorPepper

Not Voting (3) - Drixx, notscience, Bulbazoor

With 8 votes in play, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, July 6, 2015, at 2:30 AM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-07-06 02:30:00).

Moderator Comments

radmann9 has been prodded.

[DoctorPepper]

VOTE: Drixx
Theres a reason no one died last night and unfortunately you may have replaced into t Drixx, sorry.

The bad reads confirmed it. Anen and notsci know that it is beneficial for scum to not get a lynch on Day 1. If they were indeed the suspect, the would not have been on the wagon.

[Drixx]

You've been around too long to be that bad. That means you just rocketed up the probscum charts.

[Aneninen]

I'll be around later.
I still think Drixx would be a bad lynch.

[radmann9]

Well you guys were busy. Seems as though my read on juckter was correct. Going to leave my vote where it was.

[Bulbazoor]

Explain

[radmann9]

Doktor did a pretty good job summarizing it up. He went after a lot of people who we pretty much has believed as town. Also he just seems really defensive. Plus the lack of kill would align with what Dok was saying. No kill because Juckter was AFK.

[radmann9]

Sorry for short posts. I'm on my phone and on vacation. Should be back in true form tomorrow

[Cthulhu Dreaming]

Why? Because he insists that he is?

What actions has he taken that are town indicative?

Actions speak much louder than words.

Why are you town? Because you say so? Your slot was middle of the road on day one.

Have I said so? I know *you* did. Perhaps you ought to ask the whole of the playerlist that question, since they're the ones that are town reading me.

What actions am I meant to have taken so far?

You could have asked questions of your scum reads, voted your top scum read, or even taken a clear stand as to the order of your reads, that sort of thing - none of those things. It doesn't appear that you're even trying to find scum.

I stopped pressuring you for the rest of yesterday up until this morning my time, to see if any of that changed. From my POV, it hansn't. I don't feel a need to continue pressuring you, my vote stays where it is until there's some significant change. Likewise, I'm going to discontinue the back and forth between you and I because further interaction doesn't seem fruitful.

[Cthulhu Dreaming]

For the benefit of the newer players, Drixx is at L-1, one vote away from being lynched.

Nobody should hammer without stating intent and giving sufficient time for a claim, to allow Drixx to post his final thoughts and reads, and to give other people on the wagon a chance to withdraw their votes in the event that they've changed their minds about lynching him.

[Bulbazoor]

I have no intent to hammer. For some reason, my mind says he is genuine.

[Aneninen]

Neither do I.

[Cthulhu Dreaming]

Clearly then, unless notscience expresses an interest in the wagon, it'll be time to move on to other possibilities.

@Aenenien - can you elaborate on how you view Drixx's scum meta? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'd like to know what it is you see/don't see that leads you to that conclusion.

[Aneninen]

Let's summarize your answers for the questions.

(1) If you were scum, whom would you have tried to kill last Night?(2) Why do you think the kill failed?

1- I would have killed you
2- IDEK

1) If I were scum, I would have tried to kill you. Try to kill off the seemingly most knowledgeable person. At least from the posts.
2) No idea what happened to the kill. Maybe the one-shot immune guy. Or the doctor blocked it. That's the only way it could have been, right?

1. Strategy A: Anen or fake plants/Cthulhu because they appear the most town and have very little pressure on them.
Strategy B: Delz/Zen/Radmann because the slot has provided very little information/reads so killing this person provides very little information to the town in turn. As in, you can not go back and look at their content knowing it was from a verified town PoV because there is no content.
2. For some reason, I think the mafia did not take an action. And they did not do this strategically but more so forgot or AFK'd the entire night phase.

If I were scum, I would have killed a lurksack slot so there would be little to no associatives with it.I have no idea why the kill failed; I lack the necessary information to make an informed guess.

Although Notscience, DrPepper and Cthulhu didn't reply, I wasn't interested in their answers.

Bulbazoor is pretty straigthforward. JTC is highly speculative: it looks like a townie pondering about the question

for the first time

. Drixx, on the other hand, clearly against speculation: he tells nothing that he doesn't know. (Yet another bit of townread on him.)

Radmann's answer stands out for me. He mentioned the 1–Shot Bulletproof and the Doctor... but totally ignored the Jailkeeper. Doctor is in Setup 2 and C, 1–Shot Bulletproof is in 3 and A. I think he had been thinking about this question before I asked it. His answer looked like an answer from a Mafia Roleblocker; he seemed to know more about the Setup than we know.

I'm unwilling to lynch Drixx until Radmann's alive.

[Cthulhu Dreaming]

Radmann's answer stands out for me. He mentioned the 1–Shot Bulletproof and the Doctor... but totally ignored the Jailkeeper. Doctor is in Setup 2 and C, 1–Shot Bulletproof is in 3 and A. I think he had been thinking about this question before I asked it. His answer looked like an answer from a Mafia Roleblocker; he seemed to know more about the Setup than we know.

I completely missed this, and it's an excellent observation.

UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Radmann9

I'm unwilling to lynch Drixx until Radmann's alive.

assuming you mean "while" and not "until".

[Cthulhu Dreaming]

I know you aren't interested in my answers, but for the record, I would have probably killed you, DP or notscience (experience, yo) and the only speculation that I'm willing to make on the no-kill was that I think it's unlikely that it was intentional.

[Bulbazoor]

Thanks for getting radman.
VOTE: radmann
My main lynch target. My jucter scumread has gone away.

[JumpsToConclusions]

Radmann's answer stands out for me. He mentioned the 1–Shot Bulletproof and the Doctor... but totally ignored the Jailkeeper. Doctor is in Setup 2 and C, 1–Shot Bulletproof is in 3 and A. I think he had been thinking about this question before I asked it. His answer looked like an answer from a Mafia Roleblocker; he seemed to know more about the Setup than we know.

Sorry, I think I am missing the logic in this. Why does ignoring/not mentioning the jailkeeper make him seem more like a roleblocker/scum, given both of those are in setup A? Is he not mentioning it on purpose because you think he thinks he was jailed?

[Bulbazoor]

JTC, I have done that as scum on other websites. It is pretty straightforward if you ask me. Besides, we have alot of mislynches left.

[Bulbazoor]

But first claim intent to hammer. We do not want to have a potential pr killed.

[Aneninen]

I'm unwilling to lynch Drixx until Radmann's alive.

assuming you mean "while" and not "until".

Indeed. Thanks for the fix.

I know you aren't interested in my answers, but for the record, I would have probably killed you, DP or notscience (experience, yo) and the only speculation that I'm willing to make on the no-kill was that I think it's unlikely that it was intentional.

You're not among my suspects, that's all.

Sorry, I think I am missing the logic in this. Why does ignoring/not mentioning the jailkeeper make him seem more like a roleblocker/scum, given both of those are in setup A? Is he not mentioning it on purpose because you think he thinks he was jailed?

I don't think so.
I have a different opinion. He wasn't a main suspect Yesterday, so he thought the Jailkeeper (if there was any) targetted someone else. Maybe his/her main suspect. He posted that he would have killed me. If that was his Night Action, it was a correct assumption from him that the Doc had targetted me or I'd have been a Bulletproof. (Why would a Jailkeeper have targetted me?)
But, that's speculation.
I could see a townie behind the other answers but his one.

[Aneninen]

But first claim intent to hammer. We do not want to have a potential pr killed.

That.

[JumpsToConclusions]

JTC, I have done that as scum on other websites. It is pretty straightforward if you ask me. Besides, we have alot of mislynches left.

First off, you did not answer/explain anything regarding what I was seeking an explanation to. Everything you have said thus far in the game is pretty much jibber-ish to me and seems completely random.

@Anen, I am looking for an explanation from you regarding my previous post.

Second, you are the other non-vote on the D1 wagon and have seemed to almost get a free pass, up til now.

UNVOTE: Drixx

VOTE: Bulbazoor

You are mafia because:

Lickity is weird but I really want to believe he is town. I kind of see him as a town with a weird POV on things.

-Ilhom was trying to find a way to call Lickety (his partner) town but this was all he could come up with.
-Ilhom fizzled out of the game about the time the Lickety wagon was solidified.

This is basically an autowin because we have tons of mislynches left and we are guaranteed to hit scum sometime.

JTC, I have done that as scum on other websites. It is pretty straightforward if you ask me. Besides, we have alot of mislynches left.

-You have continuously stated that we have tons of mislynches left which is a terrible way to view this and it seems you just want to assure everyone we should just vote someone.
-You really really just want to kill one of the people with suspicion on them.

This is your vote pattern thus far: Radmann»juckter(Drixx)»Radmann»No vote»Drixx(juckter)»Radmann»No vote»Radmann.

It seems as soon as the tide in town shifts against your vote, you change your vote to try to fall in line to look 'normal'.
-I have seen very few original thoughts from you, all you have done is agreed with previous posts or commented on seeing something in a different game.

[JumpsToConclusions]

(Why would a Jailkeeper have targetted me?)

If there is a jailkeeper, they could have targetted an almost completely unknown player slot.

[Cthulhu Dreaming]

(Why would a Jailkeeper have targetted me?)

If there is a jailkeeper, they could have targetted an almost completely unknown player slot.

Sure. But it's unlikely that both a hypothetical JK and the night kill target the same player on N1.