Mini 1687: Refraction Mafia (WINNER!)

[Titus]

you are still ignoring me, Titus

#1260?

[Thor665]

You have seen me tunnel as scum - okay, sure.
You've seen me as town too though - did I tunnel or not tunnel? Simple question.

[Plotinus]

(it was the parts that i did understand that i found scummy, for the record. not hte fact that i couldn’t understand it.)

[Titus]

if he claims how many shots it might give setup information away, if other abilities are also that same number of shots.

pedit: i spent a week reading your ISO in slow motion to try to understand it. i wasn’t optimistic about my ability to understand further explanations. if we’re both alive tomorrow i’ll try. for starters, everything in my case that was marked with a ? was a question, but it’s not so important to get into it now in the middle of a deadline scramble.

If that is the case, scum have the same info in their fake claims already.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow. My case on you WAS NOT based on meta. Do you understand this?

[Plotinus]

oh, ok. that’s fine then.

[Plotinus]

1280 was @Titus

[Thor665]

i spent a week reading your ISO in slow motion to try to understand it. i wasn’t optimistic about my ability to understand further explanations. if we’re both alive tomorrow i’ll try. for starters, everything in my case that was marked with a ? was a question, but it’s not so important to get into it now in the middle of a deadline scramble.

So...your working theory was "since I don't understand what he's saying, and also *some* (not all, some) of his reads haven't changed much - that means he's scum!"
Like - that was your concept?

[Titus]

Lapsa we are not near hammer either.

[Titus]

Thor, how many shots do you have.

[Lapsa]

scratch that, Titus. you didn't ignore me. but your answer makes little sense:

Short cases on Thor Tool and Bella please I see nothing else taking off.

VOTE: unvote

why you find Bella lynch probable and Persivul lynch improbable?

Not enough bodies were on the wagons at the time.

at the time there were equal count of bodies on both wagons - Zor on Bella and Lapsa on Persivul:

Persivul

-

Lapsa

(L-6)

Bellaphant -

Zoronos

(L-6)

that's the reason I asked it and you provided shit answer

[Thor665]

Wow. My case on you WAS NOT based on meta. Do you understand this?

You did not answer the simple question.

You also just claimed that you had seen me play like this as scum - was that just empty noise meaning nothing, or was that a weak claim at meta support?

@Plot ^^^ do you understand this case yet?

[Thor665]

Thor, how many shots do you have.

If it's less than on, then my claim is a lie.
If it's only one - then I would lie about that to mess with scum.
If it's more than one then it doesn't matter till later.

Why are you asking me this as though it matters in any way at all?
I refuse to answer - react appropriately.

[Plotinus]

i spent a week reading your ISO in slow motion to try to understand it. i wasn’t optimistic about my ability to understand further explanations. if we’re both alive tomorrow i’ll try. for starters, everything in my case that was marked with a ? was a question, but it’s not so important to get into it now in the middle of a deadline scramble.

So...your working theory was "since I don't understand what he's saying, and also *some* (not all, some) of his reads haven't changed much - that means he's scum!"
Like - that was your concept?

no. it was more nuanced than that. it was that most of your reads had barely changed at all. like 99% of your interactions were the same. + stating the same thing again and again. and an rvs argument that stretched for 40 pages. you had a little bit of movementi n your reads but not enough to look natural.

pedit: i can understand what you’re saying in your bbt case, and bbt’s case on me was also partially based on meta but the way bbt has interacting with me otherwise is why i doesn’t want to pursue bbt lynch today, still townleaning him.

[Lapsa]

Lapsa we are not near hammer either.

then why da hell you don't vote instead of vowing hammer?

[toolenduso]

I will actively fight a BBT lynch. Not that I think it really has legs.

Thor, you unvoted Math to pursue a Zor lynch. But then I asked you if your read on Math had changed and you said no. I infer that your scumread on that slot, which is now Pers, never went away.

From your response it seems like you're saying that you think we should lynch Zor first. That might not happen and so I'm asking you if you have any reasons for townreading Pers.

Plot, could you talk to me about Pers?

[Fro99er]

I will NOT be online after one hour from now, so we better make a decision

[toolenduso]

And would anybody be interested in a Shinobi lynch? Because that would be p cool.

[Fro99er]

And would anybody be interested in a Shinobi lynch? Because that would be p cool.

Not at all

Bella?

[Fro99er]

People I won't lynch today

Thor
Shin
Tex
Plot
BBT

[Lapsa]

And would anybody be interested in a Shinobi lynch? Because that would be p cool.

Not at all

Bella?

VOTE: Persivul

[Thor665]

like 99% of your interactions were the same

Even from your own notes you know you're throwing a BS number in my face here. What is this dreck?
Also - replace "rvs argument" with "late game argument" and explain to me if that would also still be scummy - there is no valid proof that a read developed early is worse than one developed late.

Also, on the presumption your BBT townlean is based off of the same sort of logic that called me scum - sheep me anyway.

@Tool - Yes, I did unvote Math to pursue Zor. Yes, my read on Math had not changed, my read on Zor did change though - also, please note that my read on Zor was based off the idea of him having hidden info and...wait for it...his interactions with Math. Now, why would then a stronger read on Zor based around that concept affect my attitude for what order I supported a Math/Zor lynch?

I also dislike that the support of my wagon so quickly shifted to him, and not to support of the wagon *I* the person people are now calling town enough not to die, supported, with NO debate. That wagon feels like an equally bad push.

I also called your wagon and my wagon bad pushes - fuggin' start listening to me. BBT and Zor are good pushes. Let's lynch one.

[Fro99er]

Thor, will you relax and help us find scum instead of arguing about people's reasons for voting you

[Thor665]

Would you relax and please note that I am still (as I have been) am offering lots of reads and opinions and making my thoughts known.
I have no idea why everyone is so confused by what I'm typing. It's not in Swahili and it's not all rage. I am offering cases, opinions, reads, et al.
What the hell?

[Plotinus]

i can try, tool. His entrance seemed scummy to me and I liked the points other people made about him first sheeping frogger’s thor vote and then not wanting to sheep thor’s vote. and Thor vs Dino didn’t seem like TvT to me and i don’t have +- for mathdino/pers yet but he might have been buddying me some. pers also seemed like he was reaching some early on. and then his push on frogger didn’t feel good and i’m ok trusting frogger’s read on him because frogger has direct experience with him. and then I didn’t like his attack on my playstyle.

also, providing unofficial votecounts is something i totally do as scum, because it’s helpful and looks protown and stuff.