Mini Normal 1692 – A Crack In Time? – Game Over

[Klingoncelt]

OhGid looks scummy, but Blue Moon is looking mo bettah scummy.

[Zoronos]

Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?

[PointYBagelS]

Hi,

I finally made it here. I'm dead tired from a rough weekend though. I just thought I'd at least catch up and post something today.

Well then, some thoughts:

Boon's page 3 multiposts look pretty good to me. He's very much questioning people's behaviour, which is probably a good thing.
BlueMoon mentioning Boon is not scumhunting looks weird. He just mentioned several people acting scummy.
PointyBagel: How is Boon's play different than his usual play? You mention this, but also that you haven't seen much of his play. Looks like you aren't very sure, but still want to mention it for some reason. Why is that?
Ricastle: gut-town read. Seems to be posting exactly what I am thinking.

VOTE: PointyBagelS

The only game I have played with Boons is NY 183: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61337. (which just ended so I'm allowed to talk about it now).

In it, he was scum (mafia traitor), had an early wagon on him, and dealt with it completely differently than in this game. He's playing completely differently this game than he did in that one. That doesn't make him town, but it does make Blue's case on him BS, since he's also contradicting his scum meta.

Freaking out over a RVS wagon is not the kind of mistake I expect boons to make, so I'm inclined to believe he's trying something new this game.

[Klingoncelt]

Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?

One of them, or someone else.

I want to slow things down just a tiny bit. Deadline's a long way off, so we have time to make more measured judgements. I want to make sure we lynch Scum, not low-hanging fruit.

[Boonskiies]

I like both OhGod or Bluemoon for scum.

Bluemoon has been 'metadiving me' and saying I do "xxx as scum". So he brought up times where I have done "xxx as scum". What he failed to mention was that I do "xxx as town" as well. For the most part, I wouldn't do anything as scum that I wouldn't do as town, so metadiving me is really pointless. I've even stopped with the self-meta lately, because I realized with me, it is completely irrelevant. I change my gameplay pretty much every game. Not even purposefully; it's just a different game, and I'm forced to react in specific ways with other people.

@The Scumfuck that is the WackerPecker - good vote, you are now only a ScumButt.

[PointYBagelS]

Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?

One of them, or someone else.

I want to slow things down just a tiny bit. Deadline's a long way off, so we have time to make more measured judgements. I want to make sure we lynch Scum, not low-hanging fruit.

More votes going out is arguably an ideal way to gain information, and not voting on principle is an easy way for scum to conceal their lack of reads. I'm inclined to agree that if you find someone scummy, you should vote them.

[Klingoncelt]

Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?

One of them, or someone else.

I want to slow things down just a tiny bit. Deadline's a long way off, so we have time to make more measured judgements. I want to make sure we lynch Scum, not low-hanging fruit.

More votes going out is arguably an ideal way to gain information, and not voting on principle is an easy way for scum to conceal their lack of reads. I'm inclined to agree that if you find someone scummy, you should vote them.

He's pinging the loudest -

VOTE: BlueMoonRising

[Zoronos]

Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?

One of them, or someone else.

I want to slow things down just a tiny bit. Deadline's a long way off, so we have time to make more measured judgements. I want to make sure we lynch Scum, not low-hanging fruit.

More votes going out is arguably an ideal way to gain information, and not voting on principle is an easy way for scum to conceal their lack of reads. I'm inclined to agree that if you find someone scummy, you should vote them.

He's pinging the loudest -

VOTE: BlueMoonRising

Why?

[Ricastle]

Okay, really not liking that exchange.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Unnecessary hesitation followed by immediate concession with a forced, cautious explanation for the vote. That ticks enough boxes for me.

[Klingoncelt]

He's pinging the loudest -

VOTE: BlueMoonRising

Why?

His insisting that Boons is Scum based on a playstyle Boons uses as both alignments, his somewhat alpha ambiance this game... it's pretty clear that it's more about he doesn't want Boons in the game than it is scumhunting. Check his ISO, and don't forget that we're not yet 48 hours into the game.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, really not liking that exchange.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Unnecessary hesitation followed by immediate concession with a forced, cautious explanation for the vote. That ticks enough boxes for me.

What the hell are you talking about?

I don't do forced, cautious anything. Remember the last game we were in?

[Ricastle]

Well you just did. And if you're saying you don't do that as town either, then that's pretty much a concession.

I don't expect you to play the same scumgame with me after I just caught you in Apocalypse, no.

[BlueMoonRising]

There's no better argument against any other players, but people are ridiculing my case.

People say I'm "making a big deal over nothing", but you could say the same thing throughout day one, and then scum would never get caught.

People say Boon's behavior is not alignment indicative, but based on that logic he should never be lynched unless there is a night action result against him.

So yeah, the case on me is horrible.

[PointYBagelS]

Why are you so dead set on relying on meta?
People can be scummy without breaking their meta. I'm simply saying that in this case a meta-read is BS.

Even if the case on you is horrible (I'm not convinced it is), you're certainly not helping yourself with that defense.

[BlueMoonRising]

Why are you so dead set on relying on meta?
People can be scummy without breaking their meta. I'm simply saying that in this case a meta-read is BS.

Even if the case on you is horrible (I'm not convinced it is), you're certainly not helping yourself with that defense.

How is the meta read bs? He's done the exact same thing as scum. This is exactly what a lot of players do as scum.

"I act scummy all the time!"

"People just don't like my playstyle"

"I'm going to vote for the people actually looking for scum!"

So yeah, my case is the strongest case out there, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. If they do, I'll change my vote.

[Boonskiies]

I mean, yeah...that's kind of the point. Haha. You make cases against each other. THAT's how you get people lynched. Lynch because look, his play style is scummy! That is an amateur move. You dig deep in analysis of vote counts, and associations, and perspectives at certain points of game, along with POE'ing. You don't lynch someone based on play style.

VOTE: Blue

You earned a vote because of that horrendous post. At least OhGod isn't going to be obliviously stubborn/ignorant when I push harder for his lynch.

Also, klingon's town.

[Klingoncelt]

There's no better argument against any other players, but people are ridiculing my case.

People say I'm "making a big deal over nothing", but you could say the same thing throughout day one, and then scum would never get caught.

People say Boon's behavior is not alignment indicative, but based on that logic he should never be lynched unless there is a night action result against him.

So yeah, the case on me is horrible.

You're the one that's making it horrible.

How often are Scum caught on Day1?

And it very much looks like you're chasing after Boon for the sake of chasing after Boon.

[Boonskiies]

@Blue - it isn't a case, because I haven't done any of that this game. In fact, I have done any of that in a long time, haha. You aren't really pushing anything.

[Boonskiies]

Actually, I really only did it like that once, that I can remember. I was scum against Monkey, and he got lynched in Lylo. I don't play any game the same, because there really isn't a point to. You use strategies, and keep evolving depending on the game state. There's been games when I was the towniest guy ever and I ended up being scum. Don't use playstyle in scum hunting. That's just a rookie move.

[BlueMoonRising]

There's no better argument against any other players, but people are ridiculing my case.

People say I'm "making a big deal over nothing", but you could say the same thing throughout day one, and then scum would never get caught.

People say Boon's behavior is not alignment indicative, but based on that logic he should never be lynched unless there is a night action result against him.

So yeah, the case on me is horrible.

You're the one that's making it horrible.

How often are Scum caught on Day1?

And it very much looks like you're chasing after Boon for the sake of chasing after Boon.

Quite often. Especially if you have good scumhunters in town.

Being cautious on day 1 is what leads to scum not being caught.

[Klingoncelt]

Well you just did. And if you're saying you don't do that as town either, then that's pretty much a concession.

I don't expect you to play the same scumgame with me after I just caught you in Apocalypse, no.

Let me help you with that.

It's never a good look to assume intent. You aren't that great of a player that you can tell what's on my - or anyone else's mind.

And what's this "concession" crap? I didn't do it as Scum in that game and I'm not doing it as Town in this game. Don't derp.

[BlueMoonRising]

Actually, I really only did it like that once, that I can remember. I was scum against Monkey, and he got lynched in Lylo. I don't play any game the same, because there really isn't a point to. You use strategies, and keep evolving depending on the game state. There's been games when I was the towniest guy ever and I ended up being scum. Don't use playstyle in scum hunting. That's just a rookie move.

I'm not saying it's just playstyle. I'm saying you are doing scummy things like OMGUSing and not focusing on anyone else or presenting an actual good case against anyone.

[Boonskiies]

L. You take RVS way too seriously. I am starting a new thing where I do the exact opposite of what you are implying should happen. I like to bring lightheartedness to games, so I stated a couple of games back that I would be joke claiming mason every game, messing around, and clowning, while still playing to my wincon. I hate that everyone here is so serious, and the Normal queue is especially guilty of that. There's a reason a lot of players think the Normal queue player base is annoying.

[BlueMoonRising]

I take finding scum seriously, and I'm not going to apologize for that. No one is stopping you from scumhunting yourself or being hyper defensive.

[Boonskiies]

Sigh. He takes things and twists them. I will NEVER defend the way I play, because I don't feel it's wrong. I have gotten plenty of people saying they love the lightheartedness I bring to the game, and because of that I will continue my way. Just because you are too ignorant with a stick up your butt, and can't get over simple joking, makes your opinion/playstyle irrelevant or makes you scum. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and find you scum, because you can't be that pigheaded, can you?