Micro 488: Forest Fire - Endgame

[Gold Saucer]

I thought it looked kinda town when I read it to, but then I remembered that I tried that same kinda thing to get whiskey jack not to shoot me in a popcorn game. But then expecto as innocent did the same thing, so I'm back and forth on it.

Sorry if I got grumpy. I'm tired. Waffles woke me up at 4:30 this morning, and I've barely slept in a week.

As far as not bring open. I feel like I've been as open as I'm able to explain. I'm having a severe block with this game. I thought Yuriko was scum but that wasn't much of a catch.

Pedit: pie needs to post more. I read pie based on how she reads people and I'm not getting much in that department. The only thing she's done is town read rbd for the reaction to the pgo claim then ask for nachos thoughts on it. I'm not used to seeing her backseat drive like that so I don't know what to do with it.

[pieguyn]

I'm currently on vacation and haven't had any time to sit down and read this game. I've very briefly skimmed though and I have an intermediate question.

@zmuffin, specifically:

objectively speaking, how strong do you think Nacho's town case on me was? I'm asking this bc I had an epiphany earlier and I need a second opinion on how someone from the outside would view the case - and afaict you still have a lot of reservations about my play here.

one thing I can point out is that I'm near 100% S-S is town based on this page (specifically the GB vote)

I should *actually* have time to catch up later tonight. if I missed anyone's posts/questions, I'll get to it then.

[Soft-spoken]

The fuck?

[sangres]

What do you think of quilfords "that's cool I'll be the first confirmed town"?

I kinda liked it, but it's also the kind of post I could see myself making as scum.

I still have a pretty wobbly read there. I'm hoping that when Quil finally makes those substantive posts he's promising, I'll have a better sense of his alignment.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

objectively speaking, how strong do you think Nacho's town case on me was?

If you are referring to his point about emotional manipulation, I can understand his perpsective on that point but that level of emotional play isn't unfakeable (and usually is genuine, in the sense that it probably does come from something the player is genuinely feeling at the time). For example, I could see you saying that as scum who is genuinely feeling down about the game and you might have really been depressed if not for sangres. Emotional manipulation on that level isn't hard - I'm not sure why nacho thinks he couldn't do that. Presumably because he thinks it's a dirty tactic or something you wouldn't resort to? Or maybe because he thinks that even if you genuinely thought that, you wouldn't actually write it for some reason? Meh. I'm not even an emotional player and I've written similar things in the past (e.g. to mastin in the wire, when I felt manipulation on a personal level was necessary).

But unlike me, nacho is the kind of player who reads into emotional states and attempts to discern reads from it. I personally think it's not all that an effective way of scum hunting, but it's easily a thought process I could see nacho having.

If instead you're referring to his points about your early attack on gentlemen and other early posts in the game, then I think it's pretty weak (and probably wasn't intended as a town case, given how early in the game it was, so much as an explanation for his thought processes there earlier on). It's again something that's reasonable enough for nacho to think. But not an objectively strong case by any means.

[Soft-spoken]

to be fair... there is really an effective method of scum-hunting in existence. most people think they have effective methods... or at least methods that they lean on to pacify themselves until they find intent.... but intent isn't something that can be methodically determined. i use this fact as scum to win the vast majority of my games. a good scum player will find out your methods and work around them... its shockingly simple to do.

as town, im aware of this... and mostly just poke around until i have an epiphany.

[Soft-spoken]

i mean... there are methods that work for finding shit-tier scum but thats about it.

[Soft-spoken]

honestly im wondering if im having some kind of mental meltdown... i keep typing is for isnt and can for cant ect.

[Soft-spoken]

the method i lean on the most if i never have that epiphany is ctrl+f meta digging... to find those subtle language differences that signal a difference in game perception ... but honestly that doesnt work either if people are aware of how they are projecting themselves.

[BBmolla]

Hey guys, I've gotten super lax about this game, let me give it a look tonight

[sangres]

Pie, what do you think of me townreading you based on that post?

[sangres]

if you're really in the area where you're not super fucking sure I'm town then I'm kinda at a loss.

Why? What have you done this game that's been overwhelmingly town?

Can you really not understand why I would have an extraordinarily high bar for townreading people this game?

[BBmolla]

Man Quilford sure seems town this game

[Gold Saucer]

if you're really in the area where you're not super fucking sure I'm town then I'm kinda at a loss.

Why? What have you done this game that's been overwhelmingly town?

Can you really not understand why I would have an extraordinarily high bar for townreading people this game?

You do realize you're pulling that same ass shit you did in hard boiled, right?

[Gold Saucer]

Like you know Boris been town as fuck. You know I'll town, but you see an opening to be uncertain about us and so you're taking it.

[Gold Saucer]

Bork's

[Gold Saucer]

if you're really in the area where you're not super fucking sure I'm town then I'm kinda at a loss.

Why? What have you done this game that's been overwhelmingly town?

Can you really not understand why I would have an extraordinarily high bar for townreading people this game?

Also also also this is bullshit in light of your super strong town read on pie from one post.

[sangres]

Like you know Boris been town as fuck. You know I'll town, but you see an opening to be uncertain about us and so you're taking it.

Where?

[Soft-spoken]

i just realised that almost everyone is going to react the same way to being fosd.

[Gold Saucer]

VOTE: sangres

He's scum.

[sangres]

if you're really in the area where you're not super fucking sure I'm town then I'm kinda at a loss.

Why? What have you done this game that's been overwhelmingly town?

Can you really not understand why I would have an extraordinarily high bar for townreading people this game?

Also also also this is bullshit in light of your super strong town read on pie from one post.

Just because I have a strong town read centered around one post doesn't mean that I haven't had a high bar of townreading people.

[sangres]

VOTE: sangres

He's scum.

Because I'm challenging your slot to get more involved in the game?

>.>

[Soft-spoken]

ur both scum! eat it.

[Soft-spoken]

hey guys if i was scum this game would be super easy btw

[Soft-spoken]

imo it looks like gold saucer is offended that riding on town-read laurels wont cut it