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Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:22 am

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In post 1666, Persivul wrote:Crumbs are by their nature ambiguous. Nothing prevents you from making multiple crumbs, or from looking back and trying to find something to claim as a crumb after the fact.

A proper crumb is not ambiguous.
Do you think I'm making multiple crumbs in order to only use the ones most advantageous to me or making false ones?
I will agree that the existence of a crumb does not prove anything - but the existence of a targeting crumb does make rather large holes in your "he's needing to play cagey to avoid being locked in"

Because now, for me to be scum and cagey (which appears to be your raised issue) I would also need to be making multiple crumbs in order to avoid being locked in.
Are you stating this as the case? Because if not I fail to follow your issue with crumbs unless they're ambiguous - and I will assure you mine are not and that I would share your issue with ambiguous crumbs.

In post 1666, Persivul wrote:Because your behavior today could have made me believe your claim. But, your behavior fits with a scum that got out of a lynch and is now wary of making a claim that incriminates himself.

How is my behavior resembling that?

In post 1666, Persivul wrote:
I will clarify that this is *not* an investigation on Zoronos.

No clarification necessary. It's pretty obvious that you're not going to give an investigative result.

I find your raised issue with me hilarious right now and I think it makes you look silly.
Are you sure you read the entire post you just quoted from?

In post 1667, Fro99er wrote:VOTE: Thor

Full claim

The only thing I have failed to claim is number of shots.
If that's what you want - I refuse, so keep voting me for forever or until you can explain the pro-town reasoning for me to claim number of shots.
I'm waiting.
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Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:27 am

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I'm actually frustrated with my Persivul read right now.

The utter lack of reading and bad pushes reads as scum.
The claim is a dumb scum claim at this stage though - unless they are *massively* intimidated by me, but even so why not just go with a straight counter?
The issue for me is that when I saw the claim I was like, ba-hah, obv. town is obv. but the rest of the play is so bad I'm not sure a bad claim for scum to make precludes the possibility he'd make it - if that makes sense.
My vote is staying where it is for a reason though, natch.

@Tool - weigh in on this please?
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Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:29 am

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I will say the Pers/Frog/Tere triple team feels like at least one scum in the mix there though. It'd be shoddy as hell scum play not to be, frankly.
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Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:30 am

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Why am I scum?
Mostly V/LA at weekends. GTKAS - Tere
I am also really too busy to play mafia to the quality level I prefer. I should spectate. If you see me in more than one game tell me off! Also invite me to cool games to spectate. I will bring cupcakes! <3
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Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:31 am

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Frogger still isn't giving me townfeels. Don't believe Pers' result clears him. Thor should show where the crumbs are. Still V/LA.
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Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:34 am

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In post 1675, Thor665 wrote:The only thing I have failed to claim is number of shots.

How about the target and the result?
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Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:37 am

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Teres post is good. Pers, you never answered why you picked frogger.

I'm pretty sure Thor is implying he didnt use his shots / targets last night.
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Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:55 am

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VC 2.2
VoteCount 2.2


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Persivul
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toolenduso
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Tere -

Bellaphant -

Thor665 -
Fro99er, Persivul
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Shinobi -
toolenduso
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texcat -

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Not Voting
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Tere, Bellaphant, Thor665, Shinobi, texcat, Zoronos


With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!
Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-07-16 00:00:32)


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Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:35 am

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In post 1681, Bellaphant wrote:Teres post is good. Pers, you never answered why you picked frogger.

His play was different from previous games I've been in with him, so I was suspicious of him. OTOH, if cleared and if he retakes an interest, he's a big asset to town.

I'm pretty sure Thor is implying he didnt use his shots / targets last night.

If that's the case, why in the world would he IMPLY it and not just say it? Interesting that you're questioning me, but answering for him. :igmeou:
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Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:54 am

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In post 1650, Thor665 wrote:For extra fun I already crumbed my result and will clarify that I wasn't blocked - so I can't worm out of it.

Bella, this doesn't sound like someone who didn't use his investigation last night.

Are you giving him suggestions on how to play it?
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Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:33 am

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Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:57 am

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Okay, I hadn't seen that - when he voted and said it wasn't a result, it made me think he was x shot or something. If he tells us who he targeted I'd be asking the same questions - if I'm not happy with his answers you'll know.

My read on you is really conflicted, pers, hence the questions. You replaced into a scummy slot and some of your posts ring my alarm bells, but I've read some of your meta and I'm none the wiser.
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Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:45 am

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In post 1686, Bellaphant wrote:Okay, I hadn't seen that - when he voted and said it wasn't a result, it made me think he was x shot or something. If he tells us who he targeted I'd be asking the same questions - if I'm not happy with his answers you'll know.

Just "If"? You don't think he should be pressured to tell us, seeing as the claim took him off the chopping block yesterday?

My read on you is really conflicted, pers, hence the questions. You replaced into a scummy slot and some of your posts ring my alarm bells, but I've read some of your meta and I'm none the wiser.

I entered in a goofy mood and treated it like RVS for a little while, and people are scum reading me for it. Tere's seen me do the same in another game in which I was town. But it probably doesn't matter. One way or another I'll probably flip soon, and that should be good for town.
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Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:08 am

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I can't think of a reason to hold back an investigation result but *shrug*.
Also, lol if you think BBT, my scum partner, decided to hard defend me at 3 votes on D1.

Anyway. I still want to lynch Bella. It's super unlikely Tere is on BBT's scum team. Likewise Lapsa is probably town.
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Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:50 am

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In post 1688, Zoronos wrote:I can't think of a reason to hold back an investigation result but *shrug*.

Here's a reason - you didn't really do an investigation because you fakeclaimed.
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Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:47 pm

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Sure, there was an implied 'assuming you have an investigative role'.
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Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:23 pm

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In post 1689, Persivul wrote:
In post 1688, Zoronos wrote:I can't think of a reason to hold back an investigation result but *shrug*.

Here's a reason - you didn't really do an investigation because you fakeclaimed.


wait, what did Zoronos claim?
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Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:29 pm

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In post 1677, Thor665 wrote:I will say the Pers/Frog/Tere triple team feels like at least one scum in the mix there though. It'd be shoddy as hell scum play not to be, frankly.

Lol you've been town reading me all game and defending me hard (which I've pointed out several times) and now you throw me in the possible scum pile?

OMGUS much?

Guys. This is our lynch today
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Heil King Froggo.
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Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:30 pm

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In post 1691, Lapsa wrote:
In post 1689, Persivul wrote:
In post 1688, Zoronos wrote:I can't think of a reason to hold back an investigation result but *shrug*.

Here's a reason - you didn't really do an investigation because you fakeclaimed.


wait, what did Zoronos claim?

Scum
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:56 pm

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Huh? I was talking about Thor.
I'm VT.
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Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:00 pm

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Also, you simultaneously believe that scum-BBT was hard-defending his partner (me) at 3 votes, and Thor is also scum who BBT (flipped scum) was pushing, and Thor (scum) was pushing another scum (me) most of D1?
How does any of that make sense. Step back and think critically here.

Thor needs to clear up whatever he's claiming at this point.
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Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:33 pm

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Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:32 pm

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In post 1693, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1691, Lapsa wrote:
In post 1689, Persivul wrote:
In post 1688, Zoronos wrote:I can't think of a reason to hold back an investigation result but *shrug*.

Here's a reason - you didn't really do an investigation because you fakeclaimed.


wait, what did Zoronos claim?

Scum


could you quote it?
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Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:25 pm

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In post 1691, Lapsa wrote:
In post 1689, Persivul wrote:
In post 1688, Zoronos wrote:I can't think of a reason to hold back an investigation result but *shrug*.

Here's a reason - you didn't really do an investigation because you fakeclaimed.


wait, what did Zoronos claim?

The "you" in my statement was hypothetical or rhetorical and was still referring to Thor.
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Post Post #1699 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:27 pm

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In post 1695, Zoronos wrote:Also, you simultaneously believe that scum-BBT was hard-defending his partner (me) at 3 votes, and Thor is also scum who BBT (flipped scum) was pushing, and Thor (scum) was pushing another scum (me) most of D1?
How does any of that make sense. Step back and think critically here.

Did you miss the part where there's likely two mafia factions? You're either not thinking critically yourself, or purposely misleading.

Thor needs to clear up whatever he's claiming at this point.

Agreed.

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