Genesis Mafia - Game Over!

[SleepyKrew]

This post will be my last prod dodge.

[Plum]

Zakk - A couple of things.

First of all, I totally ask 'what gives' irrespective of my read on a player. It's basically 'explain yourself' and it's not something I wouldn't say to someone I thought could be scum, so, uh.

My point about my SK read not being so useful without more context was that in the context of the early game, more players than him were sticking to the joking level/not directly engaging in the game. Not all of them were really going to be scum, realistically (in fact, depending on how you sort it out, there were probably literally too many for them to all be scum). But a null player playing in a way that is opaque and may be deliberately so is an issue to be aware of going forward. Frankly SK hasn't gotten much better and I'm waiting with ~baited breath~ for what he has to say.

My questions to Salamance about the people on my wagon were to engage and gauge him. He made a broad statement 'There's scum on the Plum wagon. Take your pick'. I wanted him to talk so I could figure out if it was sort of lazy BS or not, and make him explain who might be scummy and why. Frankly speaking I did feel fine about RC and Vi at that time; Juls somewhat less so and Vezok even less so. I wanted to see Salamance's reasoning. And given his answer I wanted to know why he thought the sheeping was scummy from people who had already expressed suspicion of me. I wasn't defending them per se, but I was pointing out that the sheeping accusation needed to be read in the context of those suspicions that had already been expressed before Vi's vote and the subsequent wagon. In the end, Salamance's take on things was pretty meh, but he's still Townish.

As for Zik, I wanted stuff that wasn't ramming down the tunnel of arguing point-by-point with RC and not engaging with the more immediate game developments (or more than just arguing over whether it was scummy of Vi to suggest what a scum pespective of Jazzmyn might look like). Frankly, his response - which he posted after your big post - was pretty good. I disagree with his conclusions, but I'm feeling fine about him now. But I needed to see him respond in some way to the Jazz and Vezok wagons in order to actually, you know, read him.

I'm trying to think about how much the Zakk stuff changes my read on the slot.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

almost feels like a cosplay celebrity not-quite-flirting with her fan following

I just see Lady Lambda as this all the time. In the best possible way.

[Untrod Tripod]

Votecount 1.14

Albert B. Rampage - 1 (SleepyKrew)
Jazzmyn - 1 (vezok)
Juls
Lady Lambdadelta
Master Zik
Plum - 3 (Juls, zakk, Vi)
Quaroath
RedCoyote
Salamence20
SleepyKrew
vezokpiraka - 4 (LLD, Quaroath, RedCoyote, Plum)
Vi - 3 (Salamence20, Master Zik, ABR)
zakk

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is (expired on 2015-07-06 12:00:00)

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote vi

[Vi]

Self-preservation, scum, or just terrible?

My phone considered Swype-translating "terrible" to "reinoe", which etc.

[vezokpiraka]

Self-preservation, scum, or just terrible?

My phone considered Swype-translating "terrible" to "reinoe", which etc.

I've expressed my concerns with you.

Is my calling me terrible your new way of discrediting people?

[Salamence20]

Vezo so Vain

[Vi]

He probably thinks this post is about him. (it is)

Your concerns suck, frankly. I even went to the trouble of detailing where I stand with everyone and as appropriate when those stances changed. While I have expressed a definite direction on where I want to go today, I reserve the right to change those reads and my direction as new information comes in not because I'm scum but because I'm an intelligent human being. I also reserve the right to disagree with people when they vote me, and I reserve the right to discredit people when they vote me for stupid reasons.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm good with lynching Vi but I still prefer Jazzmyn. LLD would be acceptable to wagon as I don't have a good read on her yet.

[zakk]

Self-preservation, scum, or just terrible?

Who, vezo or plum? Because plum is all three, and vezo just looks like the first and last

[zakk]

Just thought of something. If VI actually IS a hated Townie, then VI is someone we definitely don't want in endgame, because MyLo becomes LyLo, and LyLo is an auto-loss.

VI, pick a pronoun.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just thought of something. If VI actually IS a hated Townie, then VI is someone we definitely don't want in endgame, because MyLo becomes LyLo, and LyLo is an auto-loss.

VI, pick a pronoun.

How about no?

Like to everything in here. Just no.

[Vi]

Just thought of something. If VI actually IS a hated Townie, then VI is someone we definitely don't want in endgame, because MyLo becomes LyLo, and LyLo is an auto-loss.

VI, pick a pronoun.

How about no?

Like to everything in here. Just no.

I agree on all counts with LLD.

Post 504 was about vezokpiraka. Plum's post did nothing for me and I think she accepts that. ABR's 508 is also basically conceding defeat.

[Vi]

On that note, may I ask why you're continuing to capitalize both letters of my name?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Zakk is correct. Vi is technically a good lynch.

[zakk]

Just thought of something. If VI actually IS a hated Townie, then VI is someone we definitely don't want in endgame, because MyLo becomes LyLo, and LyLo is an auto-loss.

How about no?

Like to everything in here. Just no.

Pretty stoked to hear your reasoning.

Zakk is correct. Vi is technically a good lynch.

Scum would theoretically want to leave a Hated Townie alive as long as possible, for the very reasons I stated in post 510. Letting that happen would be unwise.

Also, that line of thought provides an excellent excuse regarding the inconvenient detail of why the claimed Hated Townie haven't been killed by scum yet.

Even with all of that said, I prefer a Plum lynch. The vezok wagon could also die and I'd be happy.

VI, pick a pronoun

please

.

FTFM. Would you, please?

[Vi]

Well, two things here.

First - I intentionally have not placed a pronoun in my profile. You are welcome to choose one of your own, or follow the lead of others who have chosen for themselves, or even get to know me at some point and make a decision based on that.

Second - Look at it from this angle. If I'm scum, you should be able to deduce that without needing to rely on a Hated claim to justify it. If I'm Town, then given my experience onsite, I know just how bad a Hated role can potentially be and would advocate for a policy lynch on myself if I thought it were the best play, yet I'm not.

Plus, if you're agreeing with ABR in this game, you're doing something wrong. ABR is, like, really obvious scum.

[RedCoyote]

This post will be my last prod dodge.

I'll give 4 to 1 odds that it won't be. Any takers?

[RedCoyote]

Where, specifically?

386

Self-preservation, scum, or just terrible?

That vote reeks.

[RedCoyote]

Wtf Vi?

You've played with me before. You are very good at scumhunting. So why the vote on me? This happens every game where I'm town. Scum pile up on me.

The thing is I know I'm town. It doesn't make sense for Vi to vote me at all.

vez, this is the only thing you've really had to say about Vi all game prior to your vote.

I think a lot of us have played with you before and know full well that you're a consummate vote magnet, that doesn't say anything about your alignment this game, however.

The last two sentences are the most offputting for me. "I know I'm town, so Vi should, too" is the best way I can parse it. Now, I know English isn't your first language, so I'd be willing to let you elaborate a bit more and tell me if I am misinterpreting that.

[RedCoyote]

last time I played with him

I don't remember ever playing with you.

You were probably drunk.

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Wtf Vi?

You've played with me before. You are very good at scumhunting. So why the vote on me? This happens every game where I'm town. Scum pile up on me.

The thing is I know I'm town. It doesn't make sense for Vi to vote me at all.

vez, this is the only thing you've really had to say about Vi all game prior to your vote.

I think a lot of us have played with you before and know full well that you're a consummate vote magnet, that doesn't say anything about your alignment this game, however.

The last two sentences are the most offputting for me. "I know I'm town, so Vi should, too" is the best way I can parse it. Now, I know English isn't your first language, so I'd be willing to let you elaborate a bit more and tell me if I am misinterpreting that.

[RedCoyote]

Oh, duh, ignore my 519. I forgot I already posted that.

[vezokpiraka]

That is what I meant.
I expect Vi whose one of the best players to not dicredit player and run for easy lynches. This isn't a town Vi that tries to understand the game. She's just trying to lynch people.

[RedCoyote]

:/

Love you, vez, but it's time for you to be lynched.

[Salamence20]

:/

Love you, vez, but it's time for you to be lynched.

Aaaaaand now Im questioning it.