Mini 1675 ~ Choose Your Side (Game Over)

[Maruchan]

Also just pointing out that while groot is canonicly a good guy, we picked out alignment. So macho could very well be a groot mafia. Or groot third. So far his actions have been towny, or as towny as can be while he can not display any original thoughts, being forced to parot/mince out posts to make thoughts. But we cant guarantee bus townieness

[Nachomamma8]

I am groot!

[Plotinus]

k. found some completed newbie games of nacho’s to borrow phrases from. i might be able to get reads based on whether he predominantly picks sentences from his scum game or from his town game. sentences are from his entire ISO, most of them won’t apply right at this very moment but maybe he can use them later? skipped stuff that seemed overly specific to that one game but tried to keep enough variety too.

Spoiler: defending sentences:

Did you expect more opinions from me at this point? Did I fail to properly explain any of these reads?
I think that your characterization of his play is a bit dramatic, but I like the tone and aggression in the post and agree with your analysis
it's not hard for me to understand _____ when my own thoughts have pretty closely mirrored her own
That's actually an excellent reason
What does my response tell you about my alignment?
What does their response tell you about their alignment?
Why does that make them scummy? Why would they choose to play erratically over something more consistently if they had the capacity to do both?

Spoiler: interrogating/pushing sentences:

Are you entertaining actual thoughts of them being scum?
Are you pretending that distancing doesn't exist?
Could you be more specific about this read?
I'd be much happier with you giving a more definitive stance on ___ at this point.
If he actually meant ____, then that’s the start to a very interesting conversation.what do you think about _________
I'm having to beat back paranoia on you with a baseball bat at the moment: making posts like this doesn't help at all
I'm not sure a vote could be more obviously opportunistic unless it was set to Opportunity Man's theme song.
strange reason to ultimately come down with a town read on them
This just reads like you're pressuring him to talk, which seems like a pretty bad vote at this juncture. Don't you have any real scum reads?
thoughts like that seem more like guilt (I am scum, the cases on me are correct) than town feeling overwhelmed (I am town, but I can't argue against the cases against me)
Why did you change your vote here?
Why does that make me town?
What do you think of _____’s reason for voting you?
Why did their recent post make you reconsider?
What are the scummiest parts of ______’s play to you?
What are the towniest parts of ______’s play to you?
Who are your null/weak scum reads?
Why would you change your playstyle just because one player disapproves of it?
You never responded to this

Spoiler: townreading kinds of sentences:

although I have no idea where the defeatism is coming from.
I have a town read on ______ because
___ has been fairly aggressive in early game
___ has shown depth in their thought process
either a ridiculously fantastic fake town slip by scum or just a really strong town tell.
looks good
I'd like to lynch someone else.
I don't think _____ would be very willing to block vote with her partner so early in the day.
I don’t think that’s a scumtell
I’m not very confident that he will flip scum
I think if _____ was looking to fake a post like this as scum, he'd choose a more mislynchable target.
I think ____ is probably town
it looks honest
it looks like they're saying whatever is in their head and genuinely trying to figure out everything around them as opposed to getting townies mislynched and manipulating people into townreading them.
it seems like the sort of paranoid thoughts that townies have when they have too much time
pretty impressive depth of thought if scum.
showed pretty decent early thought processes
some of their posting is strange, but it definitely isn’t scummy
sounds much more genuine
This interaction doesn’t seem like scum-scum to me.
This line of reasoning seems genuine and pretty plausible coming from town.
This looks town to me because
would be surprised if he flipped scum but don't count it as impossible

Spoiler: scumreading kinds of sentences:

I have a scum read on ______ because
I don’t have a town read on ____.
attempt to derail the wagon
commenting on someone suspecting him and nothing else
continuing not to push anyone as scum
didn't really make too many original waves of his own and instead just sort of lagged behind other's opinions
faded out and lost a good majority of his genuiness and drive to solve the gamestate
his scum and town reads don't seem very fleshed out
I don’t like their entrances into the game
I'm willing to put a vote on _____, but I'd like the chance to read through him again before I do so.
looks bad
main concern is survival instead of finding scum
nothing spectacular or groundbreaking or original.
setting up a mislynch for tomorrow
sheeped general sentiment
sounds overly robotic
This interaction seems like scum-scum to me.
there are actually a few decent relational tells there

Spoiler: picking people’s cases apart sentences:

And so you think the best way to mitigate that risk is to lynch him now?
And why is there scum motivation in that action in the first place?
Can you really look at that series of posts and tell me you think they are coming from scum?
his case is weak
his interpretation of ______ seems kind of geared towards pushing them down the road.
his opinion about ____ in words doesn’t really match up with his actions
I don't like attacks based on semantics, which is what this attack is.
I don’t understand this case.
I find it suspicious that your case here is exactly the same as _____’s case
I really really don't understand the ____ push
I’m unsure about your push on _____, who seems like a fairly easy target for scum right about now.
It seems genuine enough to me.
That's... your only response?
There's nothing wrong with it, per se, but it's also a statement that doesn't exactly say much.
this seems like a pretty far-reaching stretch, though
This doesn't really seem like a fair evaluation.
this is generally pretty heavy handed scumhunting and will not catch anyone out except perhaps the dimmest of scum.
This isn't true at all.
What does it even mean?
What is the scum motivation behind that?
You don't think the frustrations he's pointed out are genuine? He is putting more effort in the game than anyone else, and he's getting lynched regardless. Wouldn't you be frustrated in that same position?

Spoiler: commenting on the game state sentences:

I have had trouble getting and maintaining solid scumreads in this game, which generally pushes me towards pressuring inactives more.
I keep hoping that I'll have some decent time to sit down and analyze this game, but I blatantly just haven't recently.
I'm in a state of the game where I don't really feel comfortable voting any of the options I have in front of me and feel I have a good enough understanding of the game state to where I should have a solution or an idea by now.
I would like to emphasize how important it is to talk things out a bit here
my heart's not at all in this lynch, i need more time, sorry all
no one was talking or making any interesting pushes, and so I wanted to make a change in the game state.
Please don't lynch before I have a time to post things

[Plotinus]

And that if he isn’t, he’ll be a distraction later on.

I am Groot

fair enough. i’ve only seen him as scum before so that’s probably biasing me?

[Plotinus]

This is my only ongoing game at the moment, in case it wasn’t obvious.

[MewThree]

I think we should completely ignore wgeurts and have someone NK him.

but if he self hammers I wouldn't be upset.

but whatever you do don't lynch him straight up, becuase hes obviously a jester or something of that nature.

[Maruchan]

Or hes fakeclaiming Hester to avoid dying as scum

[UshiromiyaAnge]

Vote Count IV:

VOTE: wgeurtsVOTE: (5) ~ MewThree, Maruchan, Oversoul, massive, Jeanne11
Jeanne11 (2) ~ McMenno
Plotinus (1) ~ CooLDoG
CooLDoG (1) ~ miss
massive (1) ~ Klingoncelt
MewThree (1) ~ wgeurts

Not Voting:

diginova, Nachomamma8, Plotinus

--With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
--Deadline is July 17, 2015 at 20:00 EDT.

[MewThree]

Or hes fakeclaiming Hester to avoid dying as scum

well thats the dilemma isnt it.

someone should vig him, if possible.

[Maruchan]

I don't like the way his name is displayed in the vote count. UNVOTE:

I feel like he has some crazy role about predicting the lunch using a faked failvote or something

[Klingoncelt]

Hey guys, if I said I'm scum and cats are third-party what would you say?

I'd say VOTE: wgeurts.

[Nachomamma8]

k. found some completed newbie games of nacho’s to borrow phrases from. i might be able to get reads based on whether he predominantly picks sentences from his scum game or from his town game. sentences are from his entire ISO, most of them won’t apply right at this very moment but maybe he can use them later? skipped stuff that seemed overly specific to that one game but tried to keep enough variety too.

Spoiler: defending sentences:

Did you expect more opinions from me at this point? Did I fail to properly explain any of these reads?
I think that your characterization of his play is a bit dramatic, but I like the tone and aggression in the post and agree with your analysis
it's not hard for me to understand _____ when my own thoughts have pretty closely mirrored her own
That's actually an excellent reason
What does my response tell you about my alignment?
What does their response tell you about their alignment?
Why does that make them scummy? Why would they choose to play erratically over something more consistently if they had the capacity to do both?

Spoiler: interrogating/pushing sentences:

Are you entertaining actual thoughts of them being scum?
Are you pretending that distancing doesn't exist?
Could you be more specific about this read?
I'd be much happier with you giving a more definitive stance on ___ at this point.
If he actually meant ____, then that’s the start to a very interesting conversation.what do you think about _________
I'm having to beat back paranoia on you with a baseball bat at the moment: making posts like this doesn't help at all
I'm not sure a vote could be more obviously opportunistic unless it was set to Opportunity Man's theme song.
strange reason to ultimately come down with a town read on them
This just reads like you're pressuring him to talk, which seems like a pretty bad vote at this juncture. Don't you have any real scum reads?
thoughts like that seem more like guilt (I am scum, the cases on me are correct) than town feeling overwhelmed (I am town, but I can't argue against the cases against me)
Why did you change your vote here?
Why does that make me town?
What do you think of _____’s reason for voting you?
Why did their recent post make you reconsider?
What are the scummiest parts of ______’s play to you?
What are the towniest parts of ______’s play to you?
Who are your null/weak scum reads?
Why would you change your playstyle just because one player disapproves of it?
You never responded to this

Spoiler: townreading kinds of sentences:

although I have no idea where the defeatism is coming from.
I have a town read on ______ because
___ has been fairly aggressive in early game
___ has shown depth in their thought process
either a ridiculously fantastic fake town slip by scum or just a really strong town tell.
looks good
I'd like to lynch someone else.
I don't think _____ would be very willing to block vote with her partner so early in the day.
I don’t think that’s a scumtell
I’m not very confident that he will flip scum
I think if _____ was looking to fake a post like this as scum, he'd choose a more mislynchable target.
I think ____ is probably town
it looks honest
it looks like they're saying whatever is in their head and genuinely trying to figure out everything around them as opposed to getting townies mislynched and manipulating people into townreading them.
it seems like the sort of paranoid thoughts that townies have when they have too much time
pretty impressive depth of thought if scum.
showed pretty decent early thought processes
some of their posting is strange, but it definitely isn’t scummy
sounds much more genuine
This interaction doesn’t seem like scum-scum to me.
This line of reasoning seems genuine and pretty plausible coming from town.
This looks town to me because
would be surprised if he flipped scum but don't count it as impossible

Spoiler: scumreading kinds of sentences:

I have a scum read on ______ because
I don’t have a town read on ____.
attempt to derail the wagon
commenting on someone suspecting him and nothing else
continuing not to push anyone as scum
didn't really make too many original waves of his own and instead just sort of lagged behind other's opinions
faded out and lost a good majority of his genuiness and drive to solve the gamestate
his scum and town reads don't seem very fleshed out
I don’t like their entrances into the game
I'm willing to put a vote on _____, but I'd like the chance to read through him again before I do so.
looks bad
main concern is survival instead of finding scum
nothing spectacular or groundbreaking or original.
setting up a mislynch for tomorrow
sheeped general sentiment
sounds overly robotic
This interaction seems like scum-scum to me.
there are actually a few decent relational tells there

Spoiler: picking people’s cases apart sentences:

And so you think the best way to mitigate that risk is to lynch him now?
And why is there scum motivation in that action in the first place?
Can you really look at that series of posts and tell me you think they are coming from scum?
his case is weak
his interpretation of ______ seems kind of geared towards pushing them down the road.
his opinion about ____ in words doesn’t really match up with his actions
I don't like attacks based on semantics, which is what this attack is.
I don’t understand this case.
I find it suspicious that your case here is exactly the same as _____’s case
I really really don't understand the ____ push
I’m unsure about your push on _____, who seems like a fairly easy target for scum right about now.
It seems genuine enough to me.
That's... your only response?
There's nothing wrong with it, per se, but it's also a statement that doesn't exactly say much.
this seems like a pretty far-reaching stretch, though
This doesn't really seem like a fair evaluation.
this is generally pretty heavy handed scumhunting and will not catch anyone out except perhaps the dimmest of scum.
This isn't true at all.
What does it even mean?
What is the scum motivation behind that?
You don't think the frustrations he's pointed out are genuine? He is putting more effort in the game than anyone else, and he's getting lynched regardless. Wouldn't you be frustrated in that same position?

Spoiler: commenting on the game state sentences:

I have had trouble getting and maintaining solid scumreads in this game, which generally pushes me towards pressuring inactives more.
I keep hoping that I'll have some decent time to sit down and analyze this game, but I blatantly just haven't recently.
I'm in a state of the game where I don't really feel comfortable voting any of the options I have in front of me and feel I have a good enough understanding of the game state to where I should have a solution or an idea by now.
I would like to emphasize how important it is to talk things out a bit here
my heart's not at all in this lynch, i need more time, sorry all
no one was talking or making any interesting pushes, and so I wanted to make a change in the game state.
Please don't lynch before I have a time to post things

I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT
I AM GROOT I AM GROOT

[Klingoncelt]

I don't like the way his name is displayed in the vote count. UNVOTE:

I feel like he has some crazy role about predicting the lunch using a faked failvote or something

VOTE: could represent the Roman numeral 5. That's how many votes he had at that point.

UNVOTE:

Nachomamma

- Is wgeurts a bomb or something? 2 groots yes, 1 groot no.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, Nacho, you need names to fill in the blanks:

CooLDoG
diginova
Jeanne11
Klingoncelt
Maruchan
massive
McMenno
MewThree
Nachomamma8
Oversoul
Plotinus
miss (Skold)
wgeurts

[Maruchan]

k. found some completed newbie games of nacho’s to borrow phrases from. i might be able to get reads based on whether he predominantly picks sentences from his scum game or from his town game. sentences are from his entire ISO, most of them won’t apply right at this very moment but maybe he can use them later? skipped stuff that seemed overly specific to that one game but tried to keep enough variety too.

Spoiler: defending sentences:

Did you expect more opinions from me at this point? Did I fail to properly explain any of these reads?
I think that your characterization of his play is a bit dramatic, but I like the tone and aggression in the post and agree with your analysis
it's not hard for me to understand _____ when my own thoughts have pretty closely mirrored her own
That's actually an excellent reason
What does my response tell you about my alignment?
What does their response tell you about their alignment?
Why does that make them scummy? Why would they choose to play erratically over something more consistently if they had the capacity to do both?

Spoiler: interrogating/pushing sentences:

Are you entertaining actual thoughts of them being scum?
Are you pretending that distancing doesn't exist?
Could you be more specific about this read?
I'd be much happier with you giving a more definitive stance on ___ at this point.
If he actually meant ____, then that’s the start to a very interesting conversation.what do you think about _________
I'm having to beat back paranoia on you with a baseball bat at the moment: making posts like this doesn't help at all
I'm not sure a vote could be more obviously opportunistic unless it was set to Opportunity Man's theme song.
strange reason to ultimately come down with a town read on them
This just reads like you're pressuring him to talk, which seems like a pretty bad vote at this juncture. Don't you have any real scum reads?
thoughts like that seem more like guilt (I am scum, the cases on me are correct) than town feeling overwhelmed (I am town, but I can't argue against the cases against me)
Why did you change your vote here?
Why does that make me town?
What do you think of _____’s reason for voting you?
Why did their recent post make you reconsider?
What are the scummiest parts of ______’s play to you?
What are the towniest parts of ______’s play to you?
Who are your null/weak scum reads?
Why would you change your playstyle just because one player disapproves of it?
You never responded to this

Spoiler: townreading kinds of sentences:

although I have no idea where the defeatism is coming from.
I have a town read on ______ because
___ has been fairly aggressive in early game
___ has shown depth in their thought process
either a ridiculously fantastic fake town slip by scum or just a really strong town tell.
looks good
I'd like to lynch someone else.
I don't think _____ would be very willing to block vote with her partner so early in the day.
I don’t think that’s a scumtell
I’m not very confident that he will flip scum
I think if _____ was looking to fake a post like this as scum, he'd choose a more mislynchable target.
I think ____ is probably town
it looks honest
it looks like they're saying whatever is in their head and genuinely trying to figure out everything around them as opposed to getting townies mislynched and manipulating people into townreading them.
it seems like the sort of paranoid thoughts that townies have when they have too much time
pretty impressive depth of thought if scum.
showed pretty decent early thought processes
some of their posting is strange, but it definitely isn’t scummy
sounds much more genuine
This interaction doesn’t seem like scum-scum to me.
This line of reasoning seems genuine and pretty plausible coming from town.
This looks town to me because
would be surprised if he flipped scum but don't count it as impossible

Spoiler: scumreading kinds of sentences:

I have a scum read on ______ because
I don’t have a town read on ____.
attempt to derail the wagon
commenting on someone suspecting him and nothing else
continuing not to push anyone as scum
didn't really make too many original waves of his own and instead just sort of lagged behind other's opinions
faded out and lost a good majority of his genuiness and drive to solve the gamestate
his scum and town reads don't seem very fleshed out
I don’t like their entrances into the game
I'm willing to put a vote on _____, but I'd like the chance to read through him again before I do so.
looks bad
main concern is survival instead of finding scum
nothing spectacular or groundbreaking or original.
setting up a mislynch for tomorrow
sheeped general sentiment
sounds overly robotic
This interaction seems like scum-scum to me.
there are actually a few decent relational tells there

Spoiler: picking people’s cases apart sentences:

And so you think the best way to mitigate that risk is to lynch him now?
And why is there scum motivation in that action in the first place?
Can you really look at that series of posts and tell me you think they are coming from scum?
his case is weak
his interpretation of ______ seems kind of geared towards pushing them down the road.
his opinion about ____ in words doesn’t really match up with his actions
I don't like attacks based on semantics, which is what this attack is.
I don’t understand this case.
I find it suspicious that your case here is exactly the same as _____’s case
I really really don't understand the ____ push
I’m unsure about your push on _____, who seems like a fairly easy target for scum right about now.
It seems genuine enough to me.
That's... your only response?
There's nothing wrong with it, per se, but it's also a statement that doesn't exactly say much.
this seems like a pretty far-reaching stretch, though
This doesn't really seem like a fair evaluation.
this is generally pretty heavy handed scumhunting and will not catch anyone out except perhaps the dimmest of scum.
This isn't true at all.
What does it even mean?
What is the scum motivation behind that?
You don't think the frustrations he's pointed out are genuine? He is putting more effort in the game than anyone else, and he's getting lynched regardless. Wouldn't you be frustrated in that same position?

Spoiler: commenting on the game state sentences:

I have had trouble getting and maintaining solid scumreads in this game, which generally pushes me towards pressuring inactives more.
I keep hoping that I'll have some decent time to sit down and analyze this game, but I blatantly just haven't recently.
I'm in a state of the game where I don't really feel comfortable voting any of the options I have in front of me and feel I have a good enough understanding of the game state to where I should have a solution or an idea by now.
I would like to emphasize how important it is to talk things out a bit here
my heart's not at all in this lynch, i need more time, sorry all
no one was talking or making any interesting pushes, and so I wanted to make a change in the game state.
Please don't lynch before I have a time to post things

I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT I AM GROOT
I AM GROOT I AM GROOT

Translation: thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

[Nachomamma8]

Translation: thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

I AM GROOT
I AM GROOT

[Nachomamma8]

Nachomamma - Is wgeurts a bomb or something? 2 groots yes, 1 groot no.

I AM GROOT

[Klingoncelt]

Cool.

[Plotinus]

Also just pointing out that while groot is canonicly a good guy, we picked out alignment. So macho could very well be a groot mafia. Or groot third. So far his actions have been towny, or as towny as can be while he can not display any original thoughts, being forced to parot/mince out posts to make thoughts. But we cant guarantee bus townieness

I thought of this too, and I read a game once where nikanor was a completely postrestricted (could only post in gestures) mafia aligned beloved princess so I think it would be a mistake to townread people based on what they claim their role is, based on the visible effects of their role, or their post restriction. bad setup spec loses games!

but I think it’s a good sign he’s making an effort to communicate with us and now that he has an easier way of participating we will be able to read him more easily based on which sentences he uses where, which sentences he doesn’t use at all, whether the stances he takes make sense, as well as how he interacts with different people.

I wasn’t sure for a while but i’m townleaning him at the moment.

[Plotinus]

hi wgeurts i can see you are online do you have anything to say?

[wgeurts]

WAIT WHY THE FUCK AM I NOT DEAD
VOTE: wgeurts
I Should off bloody won but my fucking vote tags got messed up.
Somebody please hammer as otherwise I'm going to have to play this game with no way to win.
And replacing would be a fucking jerk for whoever replaces me.
This is bullshit.

[wgeurts]

Mod, there's nothing in the rules about how you want votes presented. Could you count that vote I made earlier that I fudged up the tags for?

[wgeurts]

Plotinus Hammer me

[Plotinus]

VOTE: wgeurts

he’s at L-1

[Plotinus]

you could post a readslist or something