Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

[notscience]

I'm actually working

On lunch but I'm going back in so lataaaaaaaaah

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Preventing the inevitable lurk for 30 pages, following by flaking the game, followed by needing a replacement.

It's a really good D1 lynch.

lol

blankface town, NM town, BBT maybe scum, AK scum

vote: AK

notsci PL is shit and I'll make sure it doesn't happen

:3

Suck it up BBT. Notty isn't being policy lynched. There's two players here who can read him with less to no fail.

I don't know why you joined if you wanted to push a PL D1. Kinda shitty considering he was there first and invited some of the playerlist.

:3

three btw

Suck it up BBT. Notty isn't being policy lynched. There's two players here who can read him with less to no fail.

I don't know why you joined if you wanted to push a PL D1. Kinda shitty considering he was there first and invited some of the playerlist.

Who are those two players?

sakura+pie+mala

plus he's not going to flake on a Bins game

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Vote: BBT

notty is one of the most easy to read players on the site, this policy is bollocks, You are scum.

what does the policy being bs have to do with him being scum? especially considering he didnt even bring up the ease or lack thereof in reading me

why cant he just be stupid town

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

I think this is a really pointless statement to make and sounds like trying to discredit your wagon

Lolol I agree with BBT re: buddying, but it's bound to get worse and I'll probably be a hand in.

In other words Bins promised me a VIG role and I got it!

So

Dayvig: AK

GOD DAMNIT

THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY ROLE

(also I know you're trying out a new play style here so if I'm doing anything to get in your way lmk and I'll attempt to drop it)

^ditto this for me

Huntresssss, notttyyy where are you guys ;-;

at work

making money

ya kno

ITT Bins is sitting here CTRL+F5'ing so that she can get a pagetop within ten seconds of the previous post.

(<3)

<3 ~ mod

yes we all know bins doesnt have a life

:>

Asher doesn't have enough meta to make an actual "meta-read" but from knowing him IRL he looks pretty towny if that makes sense?

I refuse to try to read BBT this early in the game.

VOTE: not science

Clearly lurking how dare you sleep in on a Saturday lynch this pls

why are you rvsing when youve given comments about game related things

Bulge is also scum.
notty's prob town since he's been voted by 2 scum at the very least.

why is bulge scum

PEdit - I mean you didn't really engage with the game other than providing bad reasoning for why Asher could be town.

how is providing bad reasoning an alignment tell

What do you mean by they're not aligned?

not scum together

Is this a multi ball game? I don't think I saw that anywhere

This post sounds like trying to discredit the idea of multiball early on. Hand-caught-in-the-cookie jar, almost.

People voting AK are reaching for the lowest hanging fruit and nee to be scrutinized. I'm doing that when I get home so I don't have to keep doing these individual posts and clogging things up.

imo I feel like more often than not a better scum strategy is to whiteknight the low hanging fruit rather than push it early

kinda like youre doing here

Cho are you scum?

soren are you asking pointless questions that dont really advance the gamestate any

VOTE: soren

choo choo

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I dont think any of these are pointless questions

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that was @bbt's spoilerquotes

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Your vote on me is now unjustified. It also shows a lack of effort when you voted for me.

No

I'm saying /his/ stance is overexaggerating /my/ point.

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Why?

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Also, @soren- what do you think everything you pointed out in 359 says about my alignment?

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Well for one, he makes out posts that are asking to clarify a thought or something out to be useless posts. I agree that the others were useless, but the overexaggeration was suspect.

I can go post by post and explain why they are/aren't useful if you want.

Also,

you mad because town has been finding each other early game and you're left out of it?

This is making me think of PvZ.

Mollie made similar comments about how we had likely had isolated all the scum on the outside of the townbloc.

I don't really know why this matters yet, but I'm thinking about it.

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Well, mollie was town there.

It just feels off to me and I can't really place why.

pedit-

Why do you think Soren is town?

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Abridged for those of us on the go, please

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Vote: BBT

notty is one of the most easy to read players on the site, this policy is bollocks, You are scum.

I still don't understand this vote. The big thing for me is that she makes it a matter of reading me, but that was never an issue introduced in the policy lynch concept. She acts like this refutes the idea but ultimately it doesn't, which is mindboggling.

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Anyways, as I was saying.

The issue with how Sakura approached defending the PL was ultimately just ignoring his key points.

Mala did similarly, yes, but even still hers addressed his qualms with 'why did you even join if you would wanat to pl him'

Pie addressed the lurking accusation directly

Bulge was sarcastic about it

But the last three actually addressed his points while sakura just ignored it and found an excuse to wk me

hmmm

pedit-

I'm shaking in my boots.

Truly.

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Burden of proof is on you.

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And why is that?

pedit-

PUPPY POWER

[notscience]

The obvious solution is she thinks I'm town.

You haven't exactly lined out the reasons you think I'm scum for her to disagree with.

Although, I do agree about the whiteknighting.

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Could be!

I think Sakura's more likely at this moment and don't think they are scum together, so.

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I'm not scumreading bbt, pie.

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Do I want to lynch him? Kinda

Is he a townread? Not really

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Sakura I ignored your post because I'm not going to vote you just because you ask me too. It puts pressure on you by just saying I think youre scum and I don't really need more than that. If my read grows stronger, sure! I will vote you. But I'm not starting a vanity push on a read I'm not comfortable in pushing.

@pie- it was teasing bulge.

Re sakura- she's played with me recently and she saw my activity levels being low in 182 and corpse party. So yes, she should know. And you avoided my key point. If she knows I'm very active, why not just comment on it? She avoids it altogether and it reads as strange. The sudden dismissal bugged me.

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I'm obviously scum though, I mean look at all the reasons master detective Cho has outlined for me!

Hey look, I used the same discredit on Cho I used on pv in survivor as scum! More reason to scumread me!

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I forgot, youre the leading expert in reading me after all

Its whatever, after this its just another game down you misread me.

Pie and Sakura conveniently breaking their 100% ns reading streak is sketchy and should be pushed to hell tomorrow.

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Yes

Its more "these two people have consistently been accurate at reading me and both of them losing that accuracy at the same time is sketchy"

Pedit-

First time for everything, then!

Pedit

Well I mean, I wonder why I might be a bit pissy about people trying to mislynch me day one of a game I've been waiting to join for a while

Especially when the first person wont give concrete reasons, and the second two are consistently good at reading me.and all of a sudden are breaking that streak?

Just promise me when I flip town you'll push them both and wont let them whiteknight each other and carry themselves to late game on each others word.

Pedit

Idk myself, I might be but that's not one of my big tells. Majority of my scumtells are

A)using friends to shield and whitelnight me
b) when I lead lynches its on people who piss me off for one reason or another. I generally sit behind others
c) if someone I dont know reads me right and I have a history of doubting their ability, I mock them in thread

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It's clearly that

It's clearly an attack on her playstyle of giving no basis behind her reads while majority of the wagon does the same!

Tell me, anyone

Why is Sakura voting me?

Why is Cho voting me?

And Soren, sarcasm and AtE is the name of my game.

You will get that shit

in

every

single

fucking

game

I'm in

And guess what! I can show you games where people tried to say that same bullshit and use it to push me as scum!

Hell, marquis was in one of them but is conveniently omitting it from memory

so no, everyone on this bullshit wagon can shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

The only one who looks town on it is Pie because unlike the rest of you, she's actually TRYING to get a read on me.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6712160

And then go check my alignment!

Here, I'll even link you my ISO!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

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Scum, angry at being suspected/wagoned for what they perceive as dumb reasons.

Works every time.

And this is bullshit because you saw firsthand how pissed off I got AS TOWN when I had a bullshit wagon without reasons in spring waltz

so no.

This is a blatant lie.

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I'm obviously scum though, I mean look at all the reasons master detective Cho has outlined for me!

This just looks like an attempt to discredit the wagon based on playstyle

VOTE: notscience

This is a chainsaw. The motivation to discredit the wagon on yourself when you know you are town is the same as it is to discredit the wagon as scum. You want to survive. So fuck no, this is bullshit. What makes my discrediting oriented towards one alignment instead of the other? Oh right, this is just /another/ discredit of the wagon based on your playstyle.

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This really isn't your towngame. You can try to hide behind whatever sarcastic remarks you scramble to pull up to compensate for that, but you're not town. And we both know that.

So go ahead, attack the case I

so clearly

tried

so hard

to convey "logically" to everyone else. Because fact is, I enjoyed that reaction a lot more than you were probably hoping for.

Hell

THIS IS WHAT THE MAIN PUsH ON MY WAGON IS

"This isn't your towngame"

Do you even fucking know what my towngame is?

Like really.

Please, spell out for me why this is not my towngame, or are you just going to shrug /this/ off too based on your playstyle?

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Hell

How the fuck do you expect someone to react when faced with a wagon of 4 that only one fucking person actually gives reasons on

Do you expect them to be happy?

Do you expect them to go "Oh this is clearly a deserved wagon"

No

the get pissed off

So.

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But the real issue is why does cho act like she has no idea that I get pissed off at reasonless wagons and have done it as town

Why did sakura suddenly join my wagon, saying "pie is town" but without a comment on my alignment?

Why does soren make a throwaway comment about my wagon without joining?

Why does RC do the same?

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I'm waiting.

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You knw what the funniest thing is

I'm being yelled at for discrediting based on playstyle

That's my playstyle when wagoned

??

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But no, getting pissed off and trying to argue off a wagon is a /scum/ mindset, I forgot

Heaven forbid /town/ do that.

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Hey huntress,

Do we share an alignment this game?!?

You always are scum and im town ;-;

It seems like we are never town together!

TOWN
Mala- trying to work with people and reach out to those she's familiar with is something I expect more from town mala than scum mala early
Asher- his reaction to cho's accusation that I /only/ do something as scum was town, like "fuck yes we found damning evidence" even if its not really
Cho- I don't think scum-marquis would risk starting this wagon in this playerlist, unless she's scum with both pie and sakura then fuck bins hates me
Soren- people are saying somethign about meta? His commenting on my wagon but not joining feels more town oriented
RC- I have no fucking idea, I liked the BBT interaction though. I'm still waiting for this supposed "perfect" read on BBT and for him to take one side or the other and either hard defend or shove the wagon into infinity though.
Bulge- This is mostly gut.

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Yep

You got me

Have fun tomorrow girls and boys, I expect you to follow through on pushing pie and sakura!

[notscience]

NM have you ever been town in a game with me?

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Blankface's reachout to sakura makes me think they aren't scum together, when he was like "yeah Ive been handwaved twice already" felt like town frustration, but it also felt like it wasn't a scum-scum interaction

Sakura's reasonless push on me is still bullshit

Pie's stance on me is curious because she leaves open the route for me to talk out of it whereas I feel like scum pie would try and trap me into whatever I was saying and make me condemn myself. That being said, I'm not sure I trust her+sakura suddenly misreading me

Huntress just hasnt posted enough for me to get a bearing

I've been skimming most of BBT's posts so I need to actually read it but whatever

Not_mafia I have no fucking idea because I keep looking at past games and I feel like ive played with him more but the only one ive found was where he was scum so I have no fucking idea how town him would behave versus scum him

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Also Mala you aren't allowed to defend me

It's me against the world and I'll be damned if I'm taking the backseat

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btw, for those keeping score at home, that's me going against the selfmeta I provided earlier in the game in the hopes that you will fall for it and be like "oh he's not letting his friends whiteknight him he must be town!"

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y

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That's a given

And that also means you need to push pie and sakura to hell tomorrow because you know as well as I do that two people who are generally perfect at reading someone misreading him at the same fucking time is sketch

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Because I'm giving you space, should I be wrong, because if you're town then stifling you is going to be a huge detriment. Why don't you ask pie if it's any surprise that I'm not voting you!

See you omitted something like this before.

And what happens when pie comes in here and 180's her read on me? You going to stick to this read based on /her/ thoughts or are you going to act like you have an original thought regarding me? For someone insanely good at reading me it sure is interesting that you are just sheeping someone else's read on me.

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Except the whiteknighting isn't what /has/ happened, it's how a scumteam of you+pie would approach this game

You two would just WK each other and flaunt your history of reading each other to coast until lylo, easy

So no

You're trying to dismiss my comments and purposely misrepping me

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That's because its based off inaccurate meta and they aren't even fully explaining it, rc.

Also IM no longer thinking siren scum given his behavior regarding the wagon

And I frankly didn't read any of the meta stances because meta is pointless to me if its a game I wasn't deeply invested in, or even in for that matter

I'll invite later but anyways

And that progression is "weird" because you know I'm pidgeonholing you and Sakura for tomorrow. The odds of you missing me as town is astronomical. So sure, it could be a scum tactic but view this as town who sees two people who have perfect records in reading them would view this.

Your point is moot because after I flip town you two should both be hung

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Unvote

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Burden of proficiency is a thing for a reason, sakura

the fact that you are trying to undermine it already says you know I'm gonig to flip town

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UNVOTE:

btw

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Anyways, look at how both of them are approaching this. Saying I can't use this, that they can;t be right all of the time. Why does this matter now? If they are so adamant I am scum, why does it matter how I approach this? If I actually flipped scum they would have no reason to make the comments sakura just made. It's because they know I'm flipping town.

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Don't worry huntress

It's because pie is scum and so is sakura

This game makes so much sense if you just look at it from that perspective

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Sakura

Do you realize how I am

Do you realize that unless I am without a doubt 100% confident in my scumread on my friend I won't push to lynch them

Are you trying to make that out to be a bad thing?

A scummy thing?

Because it's a personality thing

Hell, I'm holding my own with you without even voting you. You're letting me get under your skin just by scumreading you accurately. That's tearing you up.

And the mocking is a dreadful bore.

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Why don't you ask Mala, or bulge, or pie if not wanting to risk lynching a friend is alignment indicative for me

Go ahead

I'll wait

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btw, notice something? Noone's joining your wagon

That's not very good for you guys is it

pedit-

I'm not 100% confident but that is the most likely course of action given your current stance on me, but please, try and nitpick my argument more! You're already trying to weasel your way out after you mislynch me, but it doesn't matter because it just won't happen!

Hell, you likely won't even be able to lynch me!

Sucks for you, doesn't it! I mean, look at all of this graet information you have given regarding your read on me. I can see the town thought process, I can see where you went back and checked your work, I can see your own individual voice and opinions being added to this wagon. I have no idae why people are avoiding it like the plague!

Oh, that's right

Because it's bullshit

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You know what the real question is here, pretending you two are town?

Why does scum notscience take you on head on? Why not just push another lynch and kill you tonight?

Why would scum notscience not just lurk?

Why would scum notscience not try to buddy the fuck out of you two and get you to get off the wagon?

Why does scum notscience tell Mala to not get involved?

Why does scum notscience try and deal with only two central people tomorrow?

Why does scum notscience avoid voting Sakura or pie?

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Btw, @Bulge-

I think Cho is definitely town. I think Pie/sakura is where the scum lie, but I think they share an alignment. If they are town, I would look at Mala. I think Soren's reaction to my wagon was town as is Asher's. RC needs to give his 100% accuracy read on BBT sometime soon.

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And this also begs the question- where did all this fire and passion come from?

This is not the notscience anyone has seen in a very long time

But back from when this was the common thing, it was /one/ alignment over the other!

Now, which alignment was that?

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Wrong

I was saying you and pie will whiteknight each other to carry each other to lylo

But you're just going to misrep that again which I've already called out that as a misrep, so feel free to continue misrepping the thread. Again.

pedit-

Oh yeah, you know

You're real big shit, thinking you can lie about things that are in the thread

Please, teach me your ways

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Except it never has and never will with me

I have known my meta for AGES

I have shared my meta for AGES

And guess what! It still works.

And you clearly do care, or else this wouldn't be getting under your skin.

I wouldn't have been able to bait reasoning out of you when your playstyle is now apparently "reasonless reads"

But I have

So.

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Here's the thing

I have known my biggest weakness for hthe longest time is my friends

How I always want them to be town

How it makes me doubt myself when I scumread them or even just blatantly townread them for that

Its part of who I am

And I don't care to try and lynch them if im not sure they are scum

So please, do tell how that is alignment indicative

pedit

[notscience]

what the fuck

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fucking

God fucking damnit why the fuck are you doing this

[notscience]

For fucks sake what the fuck

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whhy the ufck are you

why

how does this help fucking anything

[notscience]

Becuase im fucking town

and niether fucking alignment would want to hurt you or anyone for that matter

the only thing I fucking did in pvz was try to keep people from getting hurt

how do you not

why the fuck would

why

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Because you've been right about me for most of the time since we've been back

So you suddenly beign wrong about me is really fucking weird

Of course its in my system, if it wasn't I would be voting you

But look at this from my perspective

how would you feel if GIF and pie suddenly misread you completely out of the dark

started shoving your wagon

And when you start to wonder how the fuck two people really good at reading you are suddenly both misreading you at the same time

What do you think of their alignment

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And I'm going to keep pushing because you're going to stop talking to me after this game so I have nothing to lose!

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sakura for fucks sake

this isnt a fucking strategy I would use as scum

the shit you are saying because youre so fucking sure im scum is fucking insane

you have been saying i have no right to assume you can 100% read me

well okay hten

Maybe you cant

and guess what!

That means you can't either

so even if you're 99% sure I'm scum

To that 1% I'm town you just told me you're never talking to me again after this game

so.

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And I'm not going to vote you.

pedit-

That is fucking ubllshit

you dont fucking say that to people

are you

fuck no

you cant just say that was a fucking reaction test

you cant just fucking do that

no

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Sakura do you realize that in order to "reaction test' you just pressed the one fucking button that will make me freak out as either alignment

So do tell

how that helps you solve fucking anything regarding my alignment

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Sakura I was fucking town there

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IT FUCKING DID

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Tell you what

Lets wait until pie and mala get in here

And lets see if they agree, that it was fucking impossible for me to not have an emotional response to that post as either alignment

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You know what that pedit was in my first post after it?

I was going to fucking replace out

but then I realized it didnt even fucking matter if I did or not because I'd still been town in this game

so fuck no

no reaction my ass

pedit-

Fine.

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I can't wait to hear this.

Do tell how this game is anything like my play in PvZ, cho.

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You tried the whole "make people scumreading you feel like shit while knowingly and unnecessarily drowning out the game in overposting" shtick there too.

Except I didn't

I buddied up to people the entire fucking game

And I drowned it in FLUFF posting whereas this game I'm actually posting game related content

Stop twisting meta to meet the results you want.

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This whole Notscience situation has ruined the game for me.

I'm not wading through it and my content is being ignored.

I'm vengeful anyway.

Frankly, unless you know either me or sakura well that back and forth is just better off ignored.

My reactions are rather pointless, as I've shown I can react emotionally as scum and town.

ultimately it got way out of hand and it sohuldn't have.

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Cho, what do you think of Mala townreading me while the rest of you scumread me?

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Sakura, I'm not playing this game with you anymore.

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I also feel like Mala's reaction to everything that went down was way more subdued that I expected out of her, and that's making me raise an eyebrow.

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I cant promise I won't

You know it bugs me.

Thank you, for the time being.

The only way I see Sakura scum is if pie is also scum. Originally, when Sakura was pushing pie I thought that meant they werent scum together. But based on the way both saw my wagon, I think both share an alignment.

Mala's been townreading me for a while. At the very least once you guys started wagoning me and I started getting pissy.

Sakura's thing early with whiteknighting was the whole "oh hes been voted by two scum so he must be town" but the big thing regarding whiteknigihting is how her/pie would be on a team. They could just whiteknight each other and carry themselves to lylo. That's what I keep bringing up and that's what keeps being misrepped.

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And her original shift was agreeing with pie's analysis of me without saying so. That's the shift that just bugs the fuck out of me. I'm just not sure what to think regarding her, because I think a lot of the issue right now is based on people twisting meta to meet their needs. It's why I have been trying to show the meta of me being sarcastic and ateing from fakegod's game. To show that it's not something based off alignment. You saw me flip out there. And there, it wasn't even the people I know have consistency reading me.

It all just doesn't make sense to me.

pedit-
Oh fuck that game

30 minute mislynch

>_>

[notscience]

But based on the way both saw my wagon, I think both share an alignment.

[notscience]

I've given my read on Soren several times- I think he's town based on his hesitancy regarding my wagon.

I also have a readslist somewhere in my iso.

I think asher's reaction to my wagon is town too.

I focus primarily on sorting out the people I know best first because they are the ones who come to bite me in the ass lategame.

pedit-

Sakura I'm not trying to do anything to you do you not understand that

I said I'm done and I am.

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519

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He could have easily jumped on and didn't.

[notscience]

His overall reaction to my wagon was great. When cho introduced the possibility of there being a surefire scumtell he was interested but the cautiousness to joining my wagon reads as town

[notscience]

Can you please stop?

[notscience]

I'm not even doing anthing

Im tryin to aovid it starting again

[notscience]

That's why I'm trying to stop it altogether.

The only solution might just be lynching me,tbh.

[notscience]

Because if notscience really thought i was scum he would have voted me.
Specially after he decided to carelessly continue pushing me as scum after the reaction test. He obviously had nothing to worry about.

Or he's careless because he's angry because you keep pushing him. This isn't some crazy strategy, this is him getting angry which is a normal reaction.

^ This.

I don't even think it's a normal *town* reaction; it's normal regardless of what his alignment here is.

I am 99% sure that, *if* notsci is scum here, he will continue to drop scum tells over the course of this game. As I said, he won't just start playing a flawless scum game in response to this.

I'm not even saying you're wrong here. I just think this is painful to even watch, let alone have happen to you, and think that it would be as easy to read him in a situation where he's not emotionally being pushed past his limit.

But, whatever. Last call I make for this for real this time before I stop posting about this.

This isn't a healthy gamestate.

We're going to have to lynch me today because if sakura nad I stick around for too long this game will head the way tales did.

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notscience - i think he should really be voting his scum reads instead of telling people to push them when he flips town

this is not a read

this is advice

[notscience]

Hey bulge, what are you thinking?

[notscience]

It's more likely Mala than pie.

Also, I know what's preventing you from conftowning me.

Sec.

[notscience]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6258453

Right now, I'm looking at Mala/BBT/someone scumteam.

[notscience]

The link was why you can't 100% townread me

[notscience]

The main reason I think Mala is scum is there isn't really any thought process behind her townread on me. Normally, she will put it all out there but here it just feels like buddying.

so

VOTE: mala

[notscience]

That you know that emotional outbursts and frekaing out in thread over a friendship is something I have done in the past as scum and it allowed me to coast the entire game

That its not really alignment indicative at all for me to get that emotional

That post just kinda encompassed the whole thing

pedit-

Idts

[notscience]

Scum bulge is tryhard, not coasting

[notscience]

Cho, can you look at everything Mala's said regarding me and tell me if it looks like she's actually worried about misreading me, or if she's putting a lot of thought into that read, any of that? Because the way Mala plays is a lot like I play, she focuses on herfriends first. The lack of a progression regarding me is peculiar.

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Also, I want RC to show some evidence of his background with BBT, but if it looks valid I'd be fine joining that wagon too.

[notscience]

Just, try.

Please.

[notscience]

I can't see a single instance where you tried to explain the read on him.

Just put it simply.

I'm trying to get on your wavelength, but I can't if you don't work with me a bit.

[notscience]

UNVOTE:

[notscience]

VOTE: notscience

I'm feeling myself.

Why, this time.

[notscience]

How do you know that there's three scum?

And I think I asked you before as to how you know that this is multiball, I don't think you answered though.

3 scum is normal for a 13p setup

I don't believe I said it was multiball?

You said two people werent aligned and soen took it to mean multiball

[notscience]

So, you have to ask, why would NS propose pushing them Tomorrow and not Today? The reason I come up with is this; given you yourself are claiming that Pie/Sakura have a 100% history of accurately reading you, should you push them back, win and achieve one of their lynches, if either of them flips town, where do you think town will look Tomorrow?

Because this was like the entire basis of my read.

[notscience]

Imagine for a second I flip town, what do you think then?

[notscience]

VOTE: bbt

[notscience]

[notscience]

How does town notscience react to a situation liek this, cho

Also pie, I still think Mala is scum.

[notscience]

You voted mala and unvoted at the first emotional reaction she pulled, and now you say she's still scum, but still not voting her.
What the hell.

I'm not in the mood to be yelled at by yet someone else.

[notscience]

Pie let me know when you aroudn to back and forth with tia

[notscience]

i am going to sleep

but we need to chat soon pie

[notscience]

im still awake

[notscience]

[tinfoil]Cho was the traitor and was trying to find her team[/tinfoil]

[tinfoil]It is multiball but scum dont know who their partners are[/tinfoil]

[notscience]

I keep thinking back to that game where scum were werewolf traitor neighbors and their neighborhood PT was the scum pt but they didnt know each other was scum

[notscience]

How long ago was that game

[notscience]

Yes or no do you think there is potential she could have stolen your idea

[notscience]

Someone who thought she could read them well?

and who might that be?

I'm not sure who here has played with her a lot but I'm guessing it's quite a few. NS and Pie for a start.

Which reminds me, NS was watching that wagon grow but didn't say anything about it. See 927/928.

I saw it growing yes, but I didn't expect a hammer before I woke up.

[notscience]

90% chance of it being BBT, imo.

[notscience]

Like, that hammer was textbook "hammer someone else so my team doesnt lose someone d1"

[notscience]

I really wanted to talk about Mala.

[notscience]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I feel like probably not.

Well, not any that are aligned with bbt

[notscience]

However if there IS it is probably nm

[notscience]

VOTE: bbt

this was a weak reasonless vote that brought him to L-1

[notscience]

Pretty much.

[notscience]

Round and round the wheel goes

where it stops, nobody knows

Hammer Bbt.

[notscience]

I don't think it's notscience but the only reason is because I don't think I called the entire scum team in one post. But that's literally my only reason.

>_>

[notscience]

I am fighting the urge to respond sarcastically linking most of the day 1 votecounts.

[notscience]

BBT town mvp

[notscience]

Anyways last scum is blankface

[notscience]

Wait hold on there are 2 kills missing

[notscience]

wait nevermind bbt was lynched d2

and that means scum then killed their traitor

A+

[notscience]

blankface essentially tried to get a second wagon going because they tried to kill bbt d1 and it failed and then they were like "oh so there is prob and sk and he is prob bp because look at my dead buddy!" and then he realized that if the sk got lynched wws were p much fucked so he tried to save him the end

[notscience]

VOTE: blankface

ty bbt

[notscience]

u da reel mvp

[notscience]

I forgot an entire day happened while I was at post-orlando meet

ok

[notscience]

Also I am still fighting the urge to make sarcastic comments regarding your gambler's fallacy read on me

[notscience]

I am in no rush, dear boy

You're welcome to try and swing this on me, but unless you have a response for why a scumteam of me-cho-pie don't just whiteknight the fuck out of each other the entire fucking game, you're not going to get far

[notscience]

Bite me.

There's no way anyone can look at the early wagons and actually think I'm scum

[notscience]

Also mala is also conftown with just as much meta as sakura and watch adamant I want town.

So no.

Pie had no reason to bus me there, she could have just whiteknighted me and her and mala can overpower sakura.

So again, no.

[notscience]

Bulge, I'm waiting for you.

[notscience]

That he's scum?

Look at his vote on day 2.

It reads to me as "scum realized he just lost his buddy and their kill that night didn't go through, so the target of the kill must be a BP SK" and so he tried to start another wagon before BBT went down but it didnt work

[notscience]

Except here is the thign

You shot the BP sk N1

And eliminating the sk eliminates a whole other kill per night. Sure, it could hit a buddy. But he would be actively avoiding doing so, because putting a mafia team at 1 person in a setup making it like 7-1-1 or something like that is suicide.

[notscience]

Ok, there's no way BlankFace is scum. The game's activity is dropping like crazy. Apathy is rampant. Why would the last remaining scum member try to get the game going? Like it doesn't even make sense as a WIFOM tactic

VOTE: Huntress

Beceause it's the only way he stays alive?

I'm not voting huntress.

[notscience]

Prodge, I could go for Bulge maybe

No.

[notscience]

Dodge.

[notscience]

I'm fine with Huntress or Soren

notty why is Huntress town?

Because I trust mala?

[notscience]

So just so I`m clear, chances are that there`s only 1-2 scum left?

There is like, no chance of 2 scum left.

It's 1.

[notscience]

Was Mala townreading Soren?

I think she was

I don't want to vote soren.

I could maybe vote asher but want to vote blankface.

And it's gut/gamblers fallacy for me not wanting to vote bulge.

[notscience]

The only thing I see against NS being the last ww is the Day one voting.

I'm not bothered about Cho's vote on him in 385. That could well be distancing. Not so sure about Pie's vote in 418 though. At the end of a post discussing several others she just said "notsci's reads are weird", then voted him in her next post. She says more in 422 and other posts which doesn't look so much like distancing to me. Those votes are both switched to BBT but Cho votes NS again in 772 later after very briefly voting Bulge.

And that day 1 voting should shut any of this stupid "chance of me being scum" nonsense up.

VOTE: Blankface

[notscience]

I think Bulge is town because gut.

I think huntress is town because mala.

Bulge thinks NM is town and I trust bulge

That leaves you!

[notscience]

What about Bulge is giving you that guy feeling?

I saw you guys are/are going to hydra somewhere, can you tell me what about his play this gam makes him town?

It's just a mixture of gut feeling regarding his reaction to my wagon at the start of the game.

[notscience]

Bulge

i am not voting huntress

I will vote either of the other two

pick

[notscience]

hmmm where did I get that read

idk!

And @huntress I was more talking some of the sarcasm regarding it

[notscience]

You could be right

I'm flying by my gut and my gut disagrees.

[notscience]

He targetted me last night, btw.

I'll be doing things in this game tomorrow.

[notscience]

So, here's my thing-

I'm trying to figure out how these nightkills make sense.

BBT, Pie, Hobbes, Asher, and NM.

Pie was obviously a fuckup by scum.

Looking back, Blank was townreadig her whereas huntress had no real comments regarding her.

There's also the whole "if huntress is scum, why did notmafia live this long?" I doubt scum-huntress would have crosskilled when she had a PR confirmed to her.

Huntress has had me as town since d2, don't think she is scum, wouldn't mind just getting a flip at this point

Pretty much assures huntress knew by then notmaf was a PR. So why a pie kill? I suppose you can wifom about how she didntfind nm a threat and blahblahblah but it is rather strange to have someone other than a PR die the night after she finds out he is a FN if she is scum. But look when NM died here!

there's also the question of "if blankface is scum why did he bring me to lylo" when I've been tunneling him the past few days. He knows I'm a pretty much assured vote on him. Why not just kill me and let notmafia decide? Like I suppose he could be praying that I impulse vote him and make huntress conftown but at the same time thats a pretty risky play to make. of course, I just skimmed the last part of huntress's ISO and realize I've been brought here for huntress to vote me.

So idk like this is going to be labeled as confbias and tunneling but this gamestate makes a lot more sense from BF scum than it does huntress scum

[notscience]

Essentially what I am saying is

From a gamestate standpoint, this makes the most sense from bf scum

But I suppose it's going to come down to whether or not huntress realizes I am town

So hi huntress

lets chat

[notscience]

okay, so here's the thing

A lot of my interactions with the scum day 1 make no sense from scum/scum- see: Cho's little "don't do that whole freak out thing if I revote you because that makes my read waver" is an attempt to garner the emotional aspect from me. its almost an attempt at buddying me once the wagon died down.

There's also the whole "why would those two powerbus me when Mala was townreading me, it would be easier to tell sakura she's wrong"

And frankly, if I were scum, I would have killed pie night 1. Her being in this game as an unknown variable is a HUGE threat to scum-me. I would have also have killed off the people who werent apathetic, (the hobbes kill wouldn't have happened.) And I udnerstand because this is me saying this in lylo you have to take it with a grain of salt, but a big big big part of my scumgame is to break up TvTs and jump in the middle of them, not to get involved in a fight with someone like that. Its not how scum-me plays, scum-me way prefers hyperactivity induced apathy.

And I know there's the whole "why was BF trying to step it up and why was he the only one doing so" because as the sole scum left and about to be poe lynched, he HAD to. It was the only way he could ope to survive.

[notscience]

Hell if I was scum, why would I even come in thread and try to convince you I'm town?

I have no incentive to convince you I'm town because if you crossed me I would have bf in my pocket

So why would I even bother

[notscience]

Because that wasnt lylo?

And because you are hoping I am impulsive and vote you so huntress decides, or she decides to vote me

[notscience]

Is there an actual push going to happen in the near future?

[notscience]

I'm rereading BF again but not found anything new. Even that wagon on him was mainly poe reads, not based on suspicion.

And PoE is a valid way to approach the game.

[notscience]

Look at it this way huntress- the nightkills make no sense to have come from me (which I've said)

Day 1 makes no sense for me to have been scum

Now, why would I bring the two of you to lylo with me instead of notmaf/BF or notmaf/you?

[notscience]

Hell, why would scum-me even step it up now?

I would have no reason to after getting away with lurking for days

[notscience]

I'm telling you how the game makes sense from a scum-blankface perspective

Im asking you to give me a fair chance and see if that makes sense to you

[notscience]

The tossup is the real threat.

[notscience]

Rather, here there's 2 people who dont know everyone else's alignments

There, huntress would know NM is town and therefore you are scum

So then it comes down to NM

[notscience]

You have fun with that.

[notscience]

"Stop avoiding the elephant in the room and actually push me

And asking for /concrete/ evidence on something that's not actualyl concrete is fucking hysterical.

[notscience]

Frankly, if you're going to vote me just vote me.

[notscience]

VOTE: Blankface

[notscience]

I don't think these posts point to BF being Cho's partner.

Yes, clearly the limited interactions point to bf town

Clearly.

[notscience]

Also, Huntress.

Do me a favor.

If you're going to give me shit about not using WIFOM, don't use it yourself.

pedit-

She didn't, because if she got lynched, this exact conversation could happen.

Hell, I'm literally the worst at picking up crumbs as scum.

Example- Plants vs Zombies, someone claimed Zomboss and I didnt put together that meant they wre a PR.

So /sure/, she could have tried to signal to me.

but hypothetical-

Suppose I'm telling the truth about pie's accuracy regarding reading me and I *am* scum- Is her mirroring Cho's votes something I would even notice? Like sure I would know I have a traitor and all but that doesnt differ from how I would see town-pie approaching it, I'd have come into this game expecting it.

So, no.

[notscience]

woo town lost

[notscience]

A+

[notscience]

BBT's still town MVP

[notscience]

No shit, sherlock

[notscience]

Why the fuck did you not kill notmafia

[notscience]

Like that alone made me think you town without all doubt

what the fuck

[notscience]

Like I actually did stop to reconsider things coming in to today

holy fuck