Mini 1675 ~ Choose Your Side (Game Over)

[CooLDoG]

in essence, why should I vote for Klingon when on multiple occasions plontous has wanted to kill a player he knew would not be beneficial for the town to kill? But hay, I heard redman is alright.

[diginova]

What is this hunch, Oversoul?

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Wgeurts
I just quick hammered a person.
It seems I'm scum.

[Maruchan]

VOTE: massive this is still a good idea, why is nobody else continuing this?

[McMenno]

hm

I'm not really sure who is scum right now

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: massive this is still a good idea, why is nobody else continuing this?

Why the fuck is he on fire?

VOTE: massive

[Klingoncelt]

I have a hunch
VOTE: Klingon

Let me go chew some tabaccy first

I didn't torch the crazy fuck.

Here, eat this delicious brownie instead.

[Oversoul]

Menmo is also a good lynch. Massive needs to full claim asap.

There you are Klingon.

[massive]

It seems unlikely that you will be able to enforce any sort of request on me, Oversoul. But here, have my vote as a consolation prize.

VOTE: Oversoul

[massive]

You know what, I'm more interested in the guy who put me at L-1 with a known game troll in the thread.

VOTE: Skold

[CooLDoG]

VOTE: massive this is still a good idea, why is nobody else continuing this?

because I don't want to get burned or set on fire by some bullshit? I mean, we have had a damn fine d1 regardless of what happens tonight. We can afford to let him burn out over the night or let him get extinguished by scum and then lynch him tomorrow.

You know what, I'm more interested in the guy who put me at L-1 with a known game troll in the thread.

VOTE: Skold

[CooLDoG]

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[Plotinus]

have you forgotten that wgeurts is jester, cooldog?

since you kept poking me about not understanding stuff.

[CooLDoG]

you still don't understand. He has turned into you. He doesn't realize that wrgruts is not game trolling. He is actually playing his role.

He is asking, "why not lynch the jester?"

[diginova]

you still don't understand. He has turned into you. He doesn't realize that wrgruts is not game trolling. He is actually playing his role.

He is asking, "why not lynch the jester?"

If he was playing to his wincon, he wouldn't have quicklynched Massive.
His goal as a jester is to get *himself* lynched, and if you remember earlier, he was claiming that someone else getting lynched D1 would make it impossible for him to win if I remember correctly.
I'm not sure why anyone else keeps believing him... his gambits have failed.

[diginova]

Somebody please hammer as otherwise I'm going to have to play this game with no way to win.
And replacing would be a fucking jerk for whoever replaces me.
This is bullshit.

Relevant quote for my previous quote.

[Plotinus]

you still don't understand. He has turned into you. He doesn't realize that wrgruts is not game trolling. He is actually playing his role.

He is asking, "why not lynch the jester?"

I’ve been trying to figure out if I’m scumreading you independently of your constant selfcontradictory ad hominem sniping at me and I think I am.

In my offsite scum game, we spent a lot of time voteparking on people for nonalignment indicative stuff that basically amounted to differences of opinion on mafia theory. (We were technically vote parking people who weren’t being stupid

enough

but that aspect of the strategy is something it doesn’t make sense to attempt outside the newbie queue, too big a chance that someone in the town understands mafia theory, but I think the voteparking is scummy in and of itself. Post 340 is just one example of you saying you’re going to votepark people).

So there’s that which doesn’t have anything to do with me.

As for your interactions with me: In my experience, town needs to try to lynch actual scum, not the mislynch bait who for whatever reason isn’t playing well. As such, town tends to be interested in trying to repair communication failures, asking questions to determine people’s motivations and checking for misunderstandings, whereas scum doesn’t really care and just needs to get their mislynches in. This happened to me a bunch of times in WDPT with various scums screeching about how retarded I was whenever I either bumbled into a correct scumread (I was a newbie back then, it was right after my first newbie game that i replaced into page 209 of that game) or whenever I was completely failing to grasp some basic mafia theory concept. I was scumread by town in that game too, and town didn’t hesitate to tell me when I was being bad at mafia, but they did it differently, they took a different tone, a different approach. Town were trying to communicate with me, trying to figure out my alignment. Scum didn’t really care as long as they didn’t lose me as a mislynch candidate.

So, sure, my first time encountering a jester and I don’t immediately figure out how to interact with the jester to further my (town) wincon or how to compare and contrast how I should be responding to him with how the mafia should be responding to him. I don’t manage to build up this knowledge from first principles but I spend a few pages trying to figure out what to do. What is the scum motivation for missing the point like this? I miss the point sometimes. It happens. It’s not alignment indicative for me.

The way you’re interacting with me about this reminds me of like 6 different people who were scum across 3 of my completed games.

Also your case against me seems to be some combination of Plotinus can’t be that stupid and Plotinus really is that stupid. Make up your mind? And I’m not even going to argue against the “really is that stupid” right now because I’ve been failing theory of mind a lot lately. But it was below the belt.

VOTE: CooLDoG

[CooLDoG]

I don't buy the fact that you don't know what is going on. That combined with the fact that you have not done any scum hunting, aside from maybe the above post, makes me want to vote you.

@digi, also relevant is the fact that he doesn't care anymore because he knows no one is going to vote for him.

[CooLDoG]

I mean, let's break down your contribution to the game:
1) policy lynch on person
2) post random words for groot
3) trys to justify lynching a jester

that's it.

Not to toot my own horn, but my iso looks something like this:
1) steers town away from losing the game
2) correctly picks mafia
3) leads lynch on another guy who sets himself on fire which is odd.

[Plotinus]

I think I’m finally on the same page as everyone else with regard to the jester. The “isn’t that modkillable” question was genuine too. It was a product of having seen “don’t claim scum with someone else” on every ruleset in all 6 of my games and not knowing that the reason for that rule was “don’t play against wincon”; I had thought it was part of “don’t be a jerk”.

The person I wanted to policy lynch, i wanted to lynch them because their

town

meta is that they flake. That’s a hint at their alignment in this game, and I even explained that at the time. And I was right! I was right about jeanne before you were, even! I think we should take equal credit for Jeanne

Then I spent a while scumhunting Oversoul, though I liked the way he responded to my prodding, it seemed very natural and he didn’t get flustered so I came away from that with a provisional townread on him.

I have no idea what to make of massive being on fire, which is why I’ve been ignoring it. The only thing that I can think of is that in WDPT there was a person who had a role that let him take himself out of the game (which made him unlynchable 3 times and unnightkillable the following night) and then come back. Setup spec isn’t one of my strengths but I think that a role that makes you harder to lynch is less likely to be a town role.


I’m perpetually behind on my notes for this game, but I’ve been noticing things anyway: maruchan was sheeping my oversoul pushes and my policy lynch target was better than his, but he’s still nullish for me and massive was claiming to be scumreading everybody (i’d been suspicious of them since post 44 with that entrance of everybody is scum because one of the scum in one of my newbie games did that). I need to see more from Nacho but I liked the way he was using the sentences I gave him a lot better than the way Jeanne wasn’t.

Thanks for replying civilly this time.

[Plotinus]

and I wasn’t asking

for

him to be modkilled I was saying wow what the fuck

don’t

get yourself modkilled.

[Plotinus]

I keep not finishing my thoughts. sorry. The 3-shot unlynchable/uncrosskillable thing in WDPT was scum (mafia traitor to be specific).

[CooLDoG]

wowowowowo, you were trying to policy lynch someone who flakes. Can there be an easier target?

[Oversoul]

It seems unlikely that you will be able to enforce any sort of request on me, Oversoul. But here, have my vote as a consolation prize.

VOTE: Oversoul

Uh that's not how townies with Vig kills play given they just almost got lynched
But let's try this again
What is your role?

[Plotinus]

wowowowowo, you were trying to policy lynch someone who flakes. Can there be an easier target?

someone who flakes

as town

someone who doesn’t flake

as scum

in a choose your own alignment game.