Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

[BlankFace]

VOTE: Cowbells just because my drummer abuses the one we have.p

So if this is a minimalist text adventure, can we try something like: use fire? Oh no. We have to go to the woods and hunt. And gather more wood. I remember that game now.

[BlankFace]

Let's get this over with;

VOTE: NotScience

Serious vote.

Is this policy? Or do you have a good reason to vote someone who isn't even the thread yet?

[BlankFace]

I could do.

I'd rather lynch him though and kill someone who is a threat to me.

VOTE: BBT

Something snarky scum would say.

[BlankFace]

I think the first two hours is too early to talk about lurking.

Are you really pushing notscience based off of meta?

Oh. Nevermind. This is your early wagon push, isn't it?

[BlankFace]

Sorry, not two hours. Twenty minutes.

Last sentence is correct and your push absolutely null. Good to know.

[BlankFace]

UNVOTE: bbt phone ate my last post. Will catch up on my break.

[BlankFace]

When you get a chance Blank, explanation of your unvote would be great.

More interesting things happened than your snarky night kill comments. Not worth the vote on you.

[BlankFace]

I can't comment on the bitterness toward you bbt but you aren't exactly wrong. It has no bearing on this game and whether I think you are scum or not. As for the interesting things, the build up of your wagon, the fake Vig gambit, more players showing up and chiming in, more analysis coming through. A vote on your for one snarky comment isn't worth it, you didn't back off of the snarky night kill jokes either so I don't think its scummy. there's going to be more to analyze.

[BlankFace]

UNVOTE: bbt phone ate my last post.

Will catch up on my break.

[BlankFace]

Lolol I agree with BBT re: buddying, but it's bound to get worse and I'll probably be a hand in.

In other words Bins promised me a VIG role and I got it!

So

Dayvig: AK

This is beyond weak. Did you honestly expect this to work?

[BlankFace]

I mean if someone was a real dayvig and vig'd 5 pages into the game without the whole playerlist here and not much info to go on, i'd yell at them regardless of flip. No town day vig, vigs this early, and a scum day vig would vig this early to say "Oops! sorry i really thought that'd be scum!".

Although you do get town points for that.

Why does Mala get town points for the bad fake day Vig?

[BlankFace]

@pieguyn

It's D1, <2hours in. No one knows shit yet and I'm curious to see what you're thinking. Never played with you, have to learn about people somehow.

yes, but if you're curious to know about whether or not I'm scum reading you, you should naturally be curious as to *why*.

you ask if I'm scum reading you. I say "yes" and don't explain the reason. you proceed to drop said line of questioning at that point.

so what was the purpose of the line of questioning? what alignment-relevant information were you hoping to gain just from knowing *if* I was scum reading you or not without regard to my actual reasoning behind it?

I would expect a town player to not drop it so easily and without anything gained from it. what you did felt more like you were just asking throwaway questions for the sake of it without actually attempting to sort me.

Pie is town.

[BlankFace]

Bulge is also scum.
notty's prob town since he's been voted by 2 scum at the very least.

What's the scum read on bulge?

Coming from the complete dismissal of the discussion on AK's motives for ignoring pie's scumread and instead granting him a townread for nonsensical reasons, to the vote on notty for similar reasons than BBT.

What is the scum intent on Buldge's vote?

[BlankFace]

Why would I, when I could instead wait and get a more definitive answer?

Noting the hesitance.

[BlankFace]

I can't comment on the bitterness toward you bbt but you aren't exactly wrong. It has no bearing on this game and whether I think you are scum or not. As for the interesting things, the build up of your wagon, the fake Vig gambit, more players showing up and chiming in, more analysis coming through. A vote on your for one snarky comment isn't worth it, you didn't back off of the snarky night kill jokes either so I don't think its scummy. there's going to be more to analyze.

In that case, I suggest you get on with the analyzing.

And I'm the one that's bitter? For the record, Toffee is super null. He pushes a wagon first thing EEvery game Ive read on him. I'd link to completed ones but I'm on my phone and will do it later. I know how you feel oneta but that is true. I don't like the fact you left analysis of your wagon to everyone but yourself but your day 1 posts don't give me the sense of scum or town.

People voting AK are reaching for the lowest hanging fruit and nee to be scrutinized. I'm doing that when I get home so I don't have to keep doing these individual posts and clogging things up.

[BlankFace]

I'm leaning scum on BBT this game FYI.

But I'll get a better answer later.

Yes hesitant. You jump on the BBT is scum wagon without a vote and no reasoning provided. You then won't back it up with a vote and say you are waiting for what exactly? You didn't add anything to it and you take no real stance. You then overreact to a comment that it was noted.

What is the scum intent in me saying that I was noting your hesitation?

[BlankFace]

VOTE: Cowbell if toffee is scum why did you back off? Why did you ignore my question about the scum intent in my mention of your hesitance?

@notmaf, who's that directed to?

[BlankFace]

Between Blankface and BBT I'm finding it difficult to play this game seriously.

I'm just going to vote Bins and hope she gets lynched today.

Not sure I understand why my play makes it more difficult to take this game seriously. I think you're scum, why does that take away from the seriously?

By the way; Soren's town. Don't know if I said that yet. I've liked all of his no fluff content so far. He's the only one who was on the BBT wagon that I can say that about.

[BlankFace]

Ebwop: take away your ability to take the game seriously?

[BlankFace]

@Sakura - Blank feels pretty town to me. Not sure what you're seeing.

It's a gut feeling btw.

Anything set it off?

Spoiler: Soren is town because:

So...not many reads then?

Do you have any?

Good response. I do agree that it should have had a follow up though.

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

This is a pretty bad post/reaction. Think of it yourself if you really think that there is a scum on that wagon instead of getting other people to do the thinking for you.

Good response. +town points

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

This is a pretty bad post/reaction. Think of it yourself if you really think that there is a scum on that wagon instead of getting other people to do the thinking for you.

Asher doesn't have enough meta to make an actual "meta-read" but from knowing him IRL he looks pretty towny if that makes sense?

I refuse to try to read BBT this early in the game.

VOTE: not science

Clearly lurking how dare you sleep in on a Saturday lynch this pls

How does knowing someone IRL translate to being able to read them in a forum game?

Good point. If you think this is a pointless question, I don't know what to say. If you think that this wasn't rhetorical, I don't know what to say. I'm not sure how much IRL knowledge translates to mafia reads. It's pretty insignificant to know someone in real life and base your read off of them in a different setting.

In general, this seems to be Soren's playstyle from what I've seen in him in other games that I've looked at. The way he's going about it makes me think town.

I don't get scum vibes off of most of what he's done so far. I wouldn't mind a readslist from him.

People voting AK are reaching for the lowest hanging fruit and nee to be scrutinized. I'm doing that when I get home so I don't have to keep doing these individual posts and clogging things up.

imo I feel like more often than not a better scum strategy is to whiteknight the low hanging fruit rather than push it early

kinda like youre doing here

I don't agree. WKing the low hanging fruit does what exactly? Either way, you can disagree with me. I'm still going to go through that wagon later tonight.

P-Edit:
Huntress dropping bombs. That first point is significant. Disagree with the comment about 120.

@Cowbell; I don't assume you're a weak player. This is my third game on the site, I have no right to call anyone a weak player. I didn't even have a read on you until you overreacted. And you weren't even on the wagon when I pointed that out or when I voted you? So how exactly am I looking for a weak link when you backed off of it? Also; if you can reliably read BBT and you thought he was scummy enough to vote, why did you back off? And why are you still ignoring my questions to you? Please try harder to find crap reasons to discredit me. Your hesitance was non-committal, you commented on the largest wagon in the game when you came in and agreed with it but added nothing to it. When you did finally vote you almost immediately backed off. Literally 4 minutes passed before you unvoted. If you are confident in your ability to read BBT and read him as scum, what happened in that four minutes that changed your mind?

[BlankFace]

@Soren, who do you think is scum?

[BlankFace]

Burden of proof is on you.

Actually, no!

Yes it is.

Well, I don't think you're town.

And that would be why?

[BlankFace]

Well, I don't think you're town.

Trying-dance?

[BlankFace]

Random quote? Disregard that.

Should just say: "Trying-dance?"

[BlankFace]

[BlankFace]

When was I strained?

[BlankFace]

And then notscience completely ignores me.

I know how you feel. It's happened to me twice now.

Is Cho an alt? Can we get more votes on Cowbell?

[BlankFace]

But I'm not scum reading Soren. This is how Soren plays, he hasn't done anything that screams scum to me besides the point that huntress pointed out.

Cowbell on the other hand is noncommittal, agreed with largest wagon when he joined but didn't do anything about it, overreacted to one small post, is pushing bullshit claims with backing them up, has refused to answer questions. I'm not going to let that go.

[BlankFace]

**without backing them up

[BlankFace]

"[Pie] seems determined to go for someone at least, which seems off."

Can you go into more detail about that please.

[BlankFace]

How do you feel about Cowbell's unvote of BBT? How do you feel about the way that Cho has responded to the questions that NS and I have asked? What about Huntresses 4 posts are giving you scum vibes?

"Spoiler: NotScience
Basically all he's said is in 313, not a lot since then. Most of that was one word/sentence responses too, which didn't really help. Agree on the non-scumread on BBT, but I don't know if that's right either. In any case, he missed a lot yesterday so neutral"

If you have BBT as town, why do you said that you don't know if it's right here?

[BlankFace]

Sakura I was town reading you so much 12 hours ago. What happened?

Pie is literally the only one voting NotScience who gave any indication as to why. So Cho is a marquis alt? That's good to know. And Not-Maf, that vote was disgusting.

I'm obviously scum though, I mean look at all the reasons master detective Cho has outlined for me!

This just looks like an attempt to discredit the wagon based on playstyle

VOTE: notscience

How is he wrong? At what point does playstyle mean more than content? ISO Cho and tell me exactly what cho has brought to the town. This vote is weird as hell.

I skimmed not sciences posts, I'll get them in the morning. But 3/4 of the wagon has either incredibly weak reasoning or none at all.

[BlankFace]

Damning evidence indeed. Take him away boys.

What is this even in reference to?

[BlankFace]

Your vote is based off of your ability to read NS, right? Just want to make sure. Because I think it's kind of interesting that NS mentioned Mala, pie, and Sakura as three people who can read him without a doubt but didn't include you. So you won't explain your reasoning. Fine. Can you point me to games where NS is scum that you are in?

Were the two of you ever scum on your hydra?

[BlankFace]

Can both of you take an hour or two and calm down?

This is just getting personal and vindictive. This circular argument about meta is going nowhere and it's dragging the town down with it. Please.

p-edit: I had to work for five minutes when I tried to post this and you two had like eight more posts attacking each other. Please, just take a step back for a bit.

[BlankFace]

Can both of you please take a break for the rest of today and come back and re-read with less emotion and see what you can get from analysis without all the tears.

Thank you.

[BlankFace]

Take a break.

[BlankFace]

Can we lynch RC yet?

[BlankFace]

Why are we still arguing about meta when RC is scum based off play in THIS game. Seriously.

RC has pushed me and BBT as a scum team, didn't bother to vote either of us. Hasn't responded to any of the cases brought against him[her?], votes Sakura because "I don't want to wade through this crap" when RC admits that he[she?] can't gain any traction in the meta argument. Why is RC voting Sakura over the scum reads that RC has?

[BlankFace]

EBWOP:

Actually, RC voted both of us for like a hot second. I was mistaken on that part.

[BlankFace]

You haven't even posted reads other than me and BBT.

P-Edit:
The fuck is this game?

[BlankFace]

I've been voting RC since 278. I found him to be scummy way back then and RC's done nothing to change that.

To be honest, I'm not sure what to make of the self-vote or 629. I'm not sure what to make of most of the posts that were made today.

P-Edit:

What content RC. What. content. The only things you've said about other players are:
223 - Where you say that you'll have a read on BBT later that day.
229 - Where you say that you have a scum lean on him seven minutes later.
234 - Where you keep talking about your future read on BBT.
262 - Where you overreact to me making a note about you not voting your scum lean. Comments have been made about this post that you have no responded to.
264 - Where you tell BBT not to rush you or you'll just call him scum to get him out of your hair.
268 - Where you follow up on the threat and vote BBT.
269 - Where you say that you are voting BBT because "I think you're scum at any rate because of how quickly you assume that I'm town." Can you back that up?
283 - Where you say that between me and BBT, you are having a hard time taking the game seriously. I asked you about that and you never responded.
334 - Where you claim that BBT and I are a scum team and that I am attacking you because "Blank's looking for a weak link in the wagon to clear it out and latched onto me because he doesn't understand me and assumed that I'm a weak player because of the way I'm acting." Which I called BS on. You never responded.
412 - Where you say that I am "...a little less strained now that momentum has died on BBT." I asked you how I was strained, you never responded.
619 - The vote on Sakura.

WHAT CONTENT.

[BlankFace]

I've been voting RC since 278. I found him to be scummy way back then and RC's done nothing to change that.

To be honest, I'm not sure what to make of the self-vote or 629. I'm not sure what to make of most of the posts that were made today.

P-Edit:

What content RC. What. content. The only things you've said about other players are:
223 - Where you say that you'll have a read on BBT later that day.
229 - Where you say that you have a scum lean on him seven minutes later.
234 - Where you keep talking about your future read on BBT.
262 - Where you overreact to me making a note about you not voting your scum lean. Comments have been made about this post that you have no responded to.
264 - Where you tell BBT not to rush you or you'll just call him scum to get him out of your hair.
268 - Where you follow up on the threat and vote BBT.
269 - Where you say that you are voting BBT because "I think you're scum at any rate because of how quickly you assume that I'm town." Can you back that up?
283 - Where you say that between me and BBT, you are having a hard time taking the game seriously. I asked you about that and you never responded.
334 - Where you claim that BBT and I are a scum team and that I am attacking you because "Blank's looking for a weak link in the wagon to clear it out and latched onto me because he doesn't understand me and assumed that I'm a weak player because of the way I'm acting." Which I called BS on. You never responded.
412 - Where you say that I am "...a little less strained now that momentum has died on BBT." I asked you how I was strained, you never responded.
619 - The vote on Sakura.

WHAT CONTENT.

[BlankFace]

@notscience, do you have any reads on people other than mala, cho, pie, and sakura?

Same to Mala, I see you have a town read on Huntress and Soren if I'm correct? How about other players?

I feel like if I ask Cho I'll get another Boring embossed image. So.

Sakura, how do you feel about players other than notscience right now?

[BlankFace]

I don't see a readslist in the iso. Are you talking about 313 or 390?

[BlankFace]

EBWOP: Nvm, found it. 519. Could you expand on those a bit more? How do you feel about Asher's reaction since his 546.

[BlankFace]

Because if notscience really thought i was scum he would have voted me.
Specially after he decided to carelessly continue pushing me as scum after the reaction test. He obviously had nothing to worry about.

Or he's careless because he's angry because you keep pushing him. This isn't some crazy strategy, this is him getting angry which is a normal reaction.

I do not like this post.

[BlankFace]

Well, if I'm honest. I haven't liked the last few Asher posts. Give me a second. Before I go to bed, I'm going into detail about that. The reason I don't like that post is that it writes off the reasoning behind Sakura's case. I like the point of NS not voting her if he thought she was scum. But at the same time, I've skimmed a LOT today because it was too hard to read past the emotion and need to try and get past that. That's why I missed your reads, NS. Because it started happening after all of that.

P-Edit:
No. No it is not NS.

For real, can you two look at everyone else in this game and not comment on each other for a bit? This is not me as a player, this is me as a person. This shit is getting borderline unhealthy.

I'm not going to disregard Sakura's reasoning, it's part of the basis for my case against RC. And it's a valid point. But the way this day has gone makes a lot of the content between you two incredibly difficult to read. That's why I'm asking for reads on other people. More content helps you both. You don't have to give up your read on NS Sakura, who would his partners be?

[BlankFace]

Still ignoring my case against you RC?

[BlankFace]

For real, can you two look at everyone else in this game and not comment on each other for a bit? This is not me as a player, this is me as a person. This shit is getting borderline unhealthy.

If you haven't noticed when my taunting strategy ended i gave my reads on other people.

If it was sandwiched in the rant, I missed it. I'll look at your ISO before I go into Asher.

[BlankFace]

nvm about feeling bad about Asher's posts. Reading back in ISO, I missed the "Also I'm going to be off/on for the next two days, so I'm not intentionally ignoring posts/questions." comment and misread what Huntress was asking him about.

[BlankFace]

Because your partners want to bus you but you aren't in any realy threat of a lynch so they don't have to vote you.

[BlankFace]

You're right. I'm not a suave mafioso. Probably has something to do with my allignment.

[BlankFace]

I'm not a rapper, so quit rapping at me.

Respond to anything in the game instead. Or are you going to keep shit posting until you get lynched? Are you ever going to respond to any of my points against you?

[BlankFace]

Then prove im scum. That's the last time I ask you for content.

[BlankFace]

Sakura, do you doubt my scumhunting ability?

I don't, but i do see some OMGUS-like emotion sprung on the reasoning for your votes.

It's some OMGUS. His votes have pretty much been OMGUS the entire game.

I'll look more into Mala, that's about all I can promise you. This game is draining to read and there's a lot of meta-argument that I can't comment on or really care about.

[BlankFace]

I feel like if I ask Cho I'll get another Boring embossed image. So.

[BlankFace]

Here's literally just one example of me fully outlining why someone is scum, to the point where I'd be willing to cop guilty them, and getting no useful response from town. The person who was pretty confirmed scum made it to LyLo in spite of my best efforts where I hammered them.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61419

I really wish I was playing with that RC. Do you feel that you're going to be ignored this game or something? Sometimes that's the way the game goes, choosing not to be useful yourself because you've had rough games isn't really a good option.

Didn't read all the way through your ISO in that game, was BBT the one who made it to LyLo?

[BlankFace]

I'm offering to listen to you. NS is offering to listen to you.

[BlankFace]

Checking in to say that I'm going to read Mala later tonight.

[BlankFace]

MALA ISO:
First three posts deal with the policy lynch. Mala doesn't jump on BBT for it though. Pretty null.
Forth deals with BBT's snark about him NKing NS. Pretty null.
Day vig has some conviction behind it. +Town
Goes against building wagon on BBT, not opportunistic.
Don't really like 137.
141 is the reason behind BBT's town read. Not sure how I feel about it. BBT is a pretty easy player to read in my opinion, outside of his early game wagons.
294 Dislike of RC without reasoning behind it. Doesn't follow through with any analysis of it.
Don't like 349. Why assert you are town? Prove it.
769 is the most content I've seen out of Mala.

I haven't really been reading because I'm more confident in my AK scum read because of the way he acted towards the dayvig thing. He ended up being silent after I did it and then was more talkative after I made the comment, "You can post before you flip etc". Reminds me of what Beli!scum did in Clue game when I did the very same reaction test.

Is gross. So you haven't really been reading because you are sure that AK is scum but you're voting Sakura?

Uhh. That's pretty much it. She said that she had the past two days off and that she was going to post more and give more analysis, but didn't. I have no real idea where she stands beyond thinking AK is scum based on something that happened a while back. Never followed through with it, 718 is the closest thing to a readslist but there's really nothing meaty there. Really feels like she's coasting hardcore.

I'll iso Sakura in a bit.

[BlankFace]

MALA ISO:
First three posts deal with the policy lynch. Mala doesn't jump on BBT for it though. Pretty null.
Forth deals with BBT's snark about him NKing NS. Pretty null.
Day vig has some conviction behind it. +Town
Goes against building wagon on BBT, not opportunistic.
Don't really like 137.
141 is the reason behind BBT's town read. Not sure how I feel about it. BBT is a pretty easy player to read in my opinion, outside of his early game wagons.
294 Dislike of RC without reasoning behind it. Doesn't follow through with any analysis of it.
Don't like 349. Why assert you are town? Prove it.
769 is the most content I've seen out of Mala.

I haven't really been reading because I'm more confident in my AK scum read because of the way he acted towards the dayvig thing. He ended up being silent after I did it and then was more talkative after I made the comment, "You can post before you flip etc". Reminds me of what Beli!scum did in Clue game when I did the very same reaction test.

Is gross. So you haven't really been reading because you are sure that AK is scum but you're voting Sakura?

Uhh. That's pretty much it. She said that she had the past two days off and that she was going to post more and give more analysis, but didn't. I have no real idea where she stands beyond thinking AK is scum based on something that happened a while back. Never followed through with it, 718 is the closest thing to a readslist but there's really nothing meaty there. Really feels like she's coasting hardcore.

I'll iso Sakura in a bit.

[BlankFace]

Not sure why that double posted.

[BlankFace]

Yes town coasting.

Would advise reading up on me, might help a lot.

I spent a whole day hanging out with my friends. I ended up needing to do some chores in order to get the car for NC scummer meet, ended up being a minute away from my friend, grabbed her, met up with AD. Played splendor, had dinner. Best time ever.

Not holding that point against you, real life always comes first.

And I don't like reading up on meta too often. It doesn't affect my reads of you in this game. And either way, you don't get to coast and tell me to put in work.

[BlankFace]

@Blanky: What do you think about my points wrt Mala that i posted earlier (Tho the things you found are quite interesting too, i hadn't noticed them)

I'll get to this when I iso you in the morning/evening tomorrow.

[BlankFace]

It's been like that all game. I have t felt any traction in this game at all. The "so and so knows I'm town because meta" thing going on is getting really stale. The linking to other games is getting really stale.

People need to start commenting on the game state rather than the state of the meta. I'm not ignoring your case Sakura, this game is just draining and really not exciting for me. It's taking me a bit longer to get rolling.

It's three in the morning. ISO for Sakura tomorrow. Maybe huntress too because that should take like five minutes.

[BlankFace]

Will be getting to those reads later rather than sooner. Not awake enough this morning to do so to the best of my ability.

RC vote hop is weird.

[BlankFace]

Where did he point out reasons? Because I'm not seeing them.

RC has been pretty adamant about who he thinks is scum for about 600 posts now. The change is sudden. That's why it is weird.

[BlankFace]

Oh god fine I'll vote Mala but

if this hits town we're doing things my way tomorrow.

VOTE: Malakittens

Emphasis mine.

[BlankFace]

AKA I'm willing to vote Mala because she's AtEing me furiously but I still think BBT is scum.

What's weird about that?

Where is Mala AtE?

[BlankFace]

I'm not, I read that as Mala. Sakura AtEing you I agree with. Just wasn't clear to me.

[BlankFace]

At this point, I don't really know. My issues with you still stand; I have no idea where you are coming from in this game plus everything I said before. But I've also been tunneling you so hard and I need to take a step back, that's why I'm going through everyone else's ISO.

[BlankFace]

So you're really not willing to commit to saying yeah that vote switch was perfectly reasonable after all this?

I don't like the conditions you applied to it. It read like "When Mala flips town, it's my turn to lead."

[BlankFace]

I'm not posting for the rest of the night. I need a break from this site for a little bit.

[BlankFace]

I'm just here so I wont get prodded. I'll be rereading in the morning. I can stand behind a BBT lynch, that hammer was awful.

[BlankFace]

Hello, H0BBES, welcome to a very strange game.

I've had company all day, going to look at the way that wagon built right now though.

[BlankFace]

@923
Good enough for me, let's just actually do something for once.
VOTE: Malakittens

This vote came after Asher said he was V/LA and frustrated with the game. The 923 reference is to Buldge's iso read of Mala, which I agreed largely with in 819. Weird vote for someone who was walking away from the game.

Pie's vote is backed up pretty sufficiently. Substantial comments against Mala start around 669. Don't disagree with the reasoning all that much. Seems to be backed with a decent bit of meta which I can't confirm though.

Already commented on RC's interaction with Sakura, still don't like the slot but warming up to it a little bit. Still seems pretty blatantly like buddying and an attempt to mislynch and then say "See! I was right, now we do things my way."

I just straight up don't know how to read Not_Mafia. I've been wrong about him before and it was mainly playstyle that led me to think he was scum before. Vote comes pretty easily, but he did ask questions about Mala and her meta.

BBT's hammer is gross.

Sakura was incredibly adamant about Mala. No need to go into that in this post. That's going to take more than surface reading her ISO.

If scum is on the wagon, I'd say it's between RC/AK/BBT. Need to look into AK more. Bulge's 976 is kind of weird too, considering he said he wanted to see the wagon happen but I can understand that he didn't expect a wagon that fast or a hammer that quickly.

Looking into AK in a bit.

[BlankFace]

@1037. Wanting the game to just go on when I'm angry is odd?

The fact that said you were V/LA but we're paying enough attention to jump on the wagon when it formed. I need to check your ISO for anything related to Mala.

[BlankFace]

Blank, are you implying he is lying about being V/LA?

I'm considering it. I understand why he said he was, I did the same thing basically. But he was still paying enough attention to jump onto the wagon. It just felt weird to me, not nessecary lay scummy but strange enough that I want to see if he ever actually commented on Mala. It felt very opportunistic.

[BlankFace]

I am at work, haven't had the time. Will when I get home.

[BlankFace]

I know.

I'm just letting you know that what you're saying makes no sense at all and you should be getting votes for it.

Me thinks you're scum who was banking on me getting pushed for that hammer but didn't want to bring it up yourself.

Why would scum!soren not push this himself? That's like the safest push scum could ever do. Ever.

AK ISO coming up right now.

[BlankFace]

How many posts can you make with one sentence? Let's find out:
Almost every post to 439. And none of them are terribly interesting really. Some back and forth with Pie about him not being interested in why she was scum reading him. Being accused of being dismissive but denying it. But 221 is pretty damn dismissive. Some soft defense of BBT using meta. I don't have much of a problem with that unless BBT flips scum.

439 is the first time he gives reads.And their decent enough.

And. Well. That's it. Holy shit. We're 1102 posts into this game and I have absolutely no idea where AK stands on anything except for a very old reads list. Like he isn't questioning anyone, he isn't putting pressure anywhere, he hasn't been putting content out there. Every post is like a sentence long. Almost every single one. The vote onto Sakura,

who according to 439 he was town reading

seems even worse now.

VOTE: Asher

I was expecting to spend an hour on this post, not five minutes.

[BlankFace]

Also of note: AK did not give a read on Cho. She was the only one who didn't have a town/neutral/scum tag.

[BlankFace]

How many posts can you make with one sentence? Let's find out:
Almost every post to 439. And none of them are terribly interesting really. Some back and forth with Pie about him not being interested in why she was scum reading him. Being accused of being dismissive but denying it. But 221 is pretty damn dismissive. Some soft defense of BBT using meta. I don't have much of a problem with that unless BBT flips scum.

439 is the first time he gives reads.And their decent enough.

And. Well. That's it. Holy shit. We're 1102 posts into this game and I have absolutely no idea where AK stands on anything except for a very old reads list. Like he isn't questioning anyone, he isn't putting pressure anywhere, he hasn't been putting content out there. Every post is like a sentence long. Almost every single one. The vote onto Sakura,

who according to 439 he was town reading

seems even worse now.

VOTE: Asher

I was expecting to spend an hour on this post, not five minutes.

He's V/LA. I voted Sakura on literally post #12, then never again.
Also Hobbes you fucker.

I keep thinking we lynched Sakura yesterday when I'm reading through the game because of the way she replaced out. So that is correct. So instead let me say the vote onto MALA was even worse because he was TOWN READING her.

[BlankFace]

That was not the one piece of information. It was the only information you've posted all game.

[BlankFace]

Like he isn't questioning anyone, he isn't putting pressure anywhere, he hasn't been putting content out there. Every post is like a sentence long. Almost every single one.

It's not the only thing I've brought up is what I'm saying. Nice shot at dismissing my reasoning against you though.

[BlankFace]

You haven't been V/LA all game.

[BlankFace]

I'm fine with the BBT wagon happening. It's a L-1. You can finally rest assured. A bunch of people are me and H0BBES. I know I can't read BBT well enough to know if he's scum or not. I already made my comment on him. AK is just where my focus is right now.

[BlankFace]

Blankface, if you're town you're making a horrible mistake because if I'm alive there's no way I'll vote anyone over you after today.

I had already figured you were going to tunnel me one way or another based on day 1. I just dgaf about the BBT wagon. I'd need to go through BBT's iso to have a solid opinion on it. From what I remember, his hammer yesterday was really bad but that's the only thing he's done that sticks out to me. Besides his early PL push, he's done nothing in this game that is especially memorable besides the fact that he pretty much said he wasn't going to finish reading the last few pages he had left, saw the wagon and hammered. Which is something I've seen scum do before. I have no problem with the wagon at this point. But Day 2 just started, I have no intent to hammer anyone right now. I'm still going through the game again.

[BlankFace]

Blankface, if you're town you're making a horrible mistake because if I'm alive there's no way I'll vote anyone over you after today.

And second of all; what exactly is my mistake? Not hammering BBT? Pursuing other reads besides you?

[BlankFace]

Your mistake is being scum.

I guess I can't blame you for that.

So are you going to wait for everyone else to make a case for you again or are you going to nut up and do it yourself for once?

[BlankFace]

Can we please just lynch RC tomorrow? I'm tired of explaining why he's scum. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt for like... a day. Also interesting how you jump in with this again as soon as I start pressuring AK. Don't like the way that is going then? Sad that someone is onto one of your scum partners?

[BlankFace]

Not doing this pissing contest anymore. At best, you're scum. At worst, you're a distraction. I've said my piece on you. You can flail and shout all you want about your supposed scum team. You can shit post about LoL all you want. I'm done. Fact of the matter is, you've posted absolutely no analysis in the game. You've posted no content. The most you've done is try to antagonize and mock people. Either you aren't taking the game seriously or you're scum. You've done nothing that benefits town. At all. I'm done responding to you or commenting on you.

[BlankFace]

EBWOP:
In this game. Outside of this game, I have no problems with you. Don't take that as an insult.

[BlankFace]

@Mod: I'm V/LA until the 1st

[BlankFace]

How many posts can you make with one sentence? Let's find out:
Almost every post to 439. And none of them are terribly interesting really. Some back and forth with Pie about him not being interested in why she was scum reading him. Being accused of being dismissive but denying it. But 221 is pretty damn dismissive. Some soft defense of BBT using meta. I don't have much of a problem with that unless BBT flips scum.

439 is the first time he gives reads.And their decent enough.

And. Well. That's it. Holy shit. We're 1102 posts into this game and I have absolutely no idea where AK stands on anything except for a very old reads list. Like he isn't questioning anyone, he isn't putting pressure anywhere, he hasn't been putting content out there. Every post is like a sentence long. Almost every single one. The vote onto Sakura,

who according to 439 he was town reading

seems even worse now.

VOTE: Asher

I was expecting to spend an hour on this post, not five minutes.

Don't you think that scum asher would at least try to question people to appear town?

Why would scum bother when the whole meta shenanagins took up most of day 1. No point in making bad cases when towns already distracted with something else. Plus he said earlier this is his second game on the site, it seems pretty easy for newbie scum to sit back and fluff post while half of the players are screaming "No you!" At each other.

[BlankFace]

AK and RC are scum. So when AK inevitably hammers BBT, can we please just win this game? I don't get why either of them are getting free passes from everyone else.

[BlankFace]

We have nine days left, two players are V/LA. What is your hurry?

[BlankFace]

I never know what NM's reads are. I don't know what anyone's reads are right now. Because everyone is just sitting back and not talking, or making comments like "Can someone hammer yet?"

So yeah. I don't know what's up with people this game, but there's a massive lack of content. everyone seems content to just sit on a wago and dodge prods. No ones really doing muc to question others, Huntress and BBT aside. And even when they do get answers, the answers are usually very lack luster.

I've already said I think AK and RC are scum. The reason the wagon isn't hammered is because scum are already on the wagon and Asher can't now that I called him out on it. I don't know if we're dealing with multiball though. Which would drastically change my view on this game.

[BlankFace]

Also why are people asking for the hammer when BBT hasn't even claimed yet?

[BlankFace]

After what I said, if you're town, you being lynched would be your own damned fault anyway.

Absolutely, if you refuse to engage with me or with the game, I can't read you effectively. I'm not "reading" you this game besides interpret the causes of my inability to read you and what it means.

If you're town at this point, it means your goal with this entire game was to get me to lynch you, which congratulations! you succeeded.

Now what exactly would it have proven?

So exactly what you've been doing all game to this point?

Will be home later.

[BlankFace]

I'd be up for an RC wagon.

You don't have tells on me.

You will see this after my flip.

Then you'll have to admit you're really bad at reading me.

Disclaimer: The above is only relevant if RC is town. Hence why I would like to talk about it post game.

Yep. He was totally committed to you being town. Like super strongly.

VOTE: RC

AK probably isn't scum after that flip.

[BlankFace]

Why does Pie's flip make Asher probably not scum?

Pies interaction with Asher day 1, from what I remember, aren't something I'd expect from a traitor bussing.

[BlankFace]

In what world is RC not scum, Bulge?

Dude has done literally almost nothing all game. I'd say all he did was tunnel BBT and myself but he didn't even actively push those. Just sat back. ISO him and tell me where he's done anything at all to scum hunt, to give reads, to do anything town-like at all.

Didn't you say he was scum before, what changed?

And no RC, you aren't a saint for being on the SK wagon. All that means is that yo got rid of your competition.

[BlankFace]

I like how I went from certain scum to VI.

[BlankFace]

Nothing I can say against PoE. It's wrong though.

I'm leaning Huntress or Bulge.

[BlankFace]

blankface essentially tried to get a second wagon going because they tried to kill bbt d1 and it failed and then they were like "oh so there is prob and sk and he is prob bp because look at my dead buddy!" and then he realized that if the sk got lynched wws were p much fucked so he tried to save him the end

Except for the fact that I had been on RC since day 1. I'm VT, I really don't care if you lynch me though. This game is pretty much town win any way I see it. AK and Soren are town, not maf is town. That leaves you, bulge, and huntress. And the way you've been jumping on wagons, well. Just go back and look at how you jumped onto BBT.

Do me a favor and at least let me give a reads list before I get hammered?

[BlankFace]

Because you and Cho didn't know pie was the traitor. Cho was a werewolf oracle, wasn't she? And she died night 1. All scum would've know is that there was a traitor but not who it was, if I understand the role correctly.

Also, see BBT's sig. One of the reasons this game was so hard for me to follow was because of that big meta circle jerk day 1 so I'm not going to count that as a reason for you not being scum. Sakura has a lot of meta with you too and she went all out against you, that sly is conf!town... and that means absolutely nothing. Meta is too easy to manipulate for things like that.

I'll actually give a reads list tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.

[BlankFace]

blankface essentially tried to get a second wagon going because they tried to kill bbt d1 and it failed and then they were like "oh so there is prob and sk and he is prob bp because look at my dead buddy!" and then he realized that if the sk got lynched wws were p much fucked so he tried to save him the end

Also, why would I want to save the SK if I was scum? How does that fuck over the werewolves? That's a NK you don't control gone and you don't waste another NK to take it out? Like... What? How does that benefit scum at all? Also, if I was scum, wouldn't pie have followed me? Or do you think that she followed the BBT lynch without ever making a comment on why he was scum because WWs weren't in that wagon?

Assuming three scum, as soon as she sees that a WE does in the night and wolves jump onto BBT, she knows who the SK is. I'll go more into that tomorrow. I'm more inclined to believe scum was 100% on the BBT lynch.

[BlankFace]

But if you really want to use meta as a defense, NotMaf; go look at that newbie game we were in where you were BP. Tell me how my play is different in this one. Then take a look at how NS is over justifying his jumps onto the BBT wagon and then mine.

Actually ISOing NS, I'm not getting scum vibes from an initial read through. Will have to be more through in the morning.

[BlankFace]

But if you really want to use meta as a defense, NotMaf; go look at that newbie game we were in where you were BP. Tell me how my play is different in this one. Then take a look at how NS is over justifying his jumps onto the BBT wagon and then mine.

Actually ISOing NS, I'm not getting scum vibes

from an initial read through. Will have to be more through in the morning.

[BlankFace]

Why would I protect the SK? You still haven't explained that.

[BlankFace]

Here's what I don't get fom that accusation: You're saying that I would rather push a lynch on someone else than kill a BP SK or at the very least a BP. What world do I do that as scum? That's a waste of a potential NK. And possibly gives BBT another kill, which might hit me or my partners. It doesn't add up to me. Why would I need the SK alive to win? Why wouldn't I jump on the competing wagon instead of reading the Mala wagon to find scum?

Scum was on the BBT wagon. It doesn't make sense any other way. Especially with the way Pie acted day 2, regarding her "I've said all I need to say" comment. She say scum on the wagon. And went with it as well. I'll have time to analyze that on Sunday.

[BlankFace]

Except here is the thign

You shot the BP sk N1

And eliminating the sk eliminates a whole other kill per night. Sure, it could hit a buddy. But he would be actively avoiding doing so, because putting a mafia team at 1 person in a setup making it like 7-1-1 or something like that is suicide.

Except killing scum as SK isn't suicide, it's self-preservation?

Just look at how the N1 kills played out. BBT gets shot, scum knows he is at the very least BP. You are working under the assumption that scum knew 100% BBT was the SK, which is faulty. At worst, scum gets a BP lynched and doesn't have to worry about wasting another night on him. At best, they get the SK and remove an uncontrolled factor in the night. That is win-win. Getting BBT lynched only benefits scum, for the same exact reason you put out there. Letting your team fall into 7-1-1 is suicide, for scum. Leaving the SK alive keeps the risk of being hit again, even if you think he is actively trying to hit town players. And second of all,

Cho was not that town

. If SK is trying to kill town players, why not go for someone who was more transparent? Cho was doing her damnedest to not be transparent. She dodged your questions, she dodged mine. So this 'SK wouldn't try to hit scum' is bullshit. If he was going for town players, there were much better options.

So you are telling me that I'm scum, when both Bulge and Huntress did the exact same thing you find scummy in me? Only difference is that Bulge hammered BBT . Why am I more likely to be scum over Huntress in your scenario?

nothing's going on to make me change my reads

I *think* NM might be town for tonal reasons. my impression of him from pokemon upick is that his posts generally just feel flat when he's scum, and I don't really get that here. (believe it or not him saying "you don't fuck this game, this game fucks you" is one post that makes me think this) the push on BBT isn't anything special, but I don't get scum vibes from it either.

also thinking Bulge might be scum but not really interested in pursuing it at this point

Bulge is probably town.

(LYNCH)

Malakittens

-

Sakura Hana

, RadiantCowbells, The Bulge, Asher Kendrell,

pieguyn

, Not_Mafia, BlueBloodedToffee

I'm coloring Sakura-slot green despite not being flipped bc fuck you there's no way in hell she could possibly be scum here even if it does turn out to be multiball. either way, I think lynching from someone on the Mala wagon would be a good lead for now. regardless of whether this is singleball or multiball, I would expect scum would capitalize on the shitstorm that was going on there.

notsci would be a potential candidate for this as well bc he was on the wagon in spirit, or at least thought Mala is scum, just wasn't voting her

notsci likely isn't on a team with Cho, though (that's the one thing I remember OTOH; should be able to go back and check again later)

one thing that has me somewhat paranoid is that BBT is saying the same thing I am, while pushing for a lynch on Soren who wasn't even on the wagon. which if this is singleball makes me think something along the lines of BBT/1 of {Asher, notsci}, although it might as well work with anyone else on the wagon. it might just be me, though. either way, it's scummy in it's own right.

Fuck. Maybe not?

I have to go through Pie's interactions and digest this more.

[BlankFace]

Where are Soren, Bulge, NotMaf, and Asher?

[BlankFace]

Oh, sorry. Asher didn't vote BBT either? So out of the seven players alive, notsci, three weren't participants in the BBT lynch and one of them hammered after trying to push elsewhere. Over half of the living players fall into your reasoning. Why else am I scum? Why are they not scum?

Actually I was thinking about it during the Night phase and I think Huntress might be our last wolf.

Fuck I don't think any of you are town

Except N_M

N_M let me sheep you

Why is not maf town?

[BlankFace]

this game has been ducking infuriating since day 1. Lynch me if ou want a flip that badly. At this point IDGAF. There are people in this game who have done next to nothing the past few weeks and I'm getting wagoned because of PoE? Bullshit.

No one is even bothering to go through Cho or Pie's interactions. I can't until Sunday.

It's between NotSci, Ak, and Bulge for me. Bulge more than the others.

[BlankFace]

No one has said a single thing since the last time I posted. JFC.

Going through Pie/Cho interactions in the morning, going through Bulge in the morning. Rereading NotMaf in the morning.

[BlankFace]

Or I could get called into work. It won't be this morning, it'll be later tonight.

Soren, who are you scum reading right now? Why?

[BlankFace]

People are on their final prod as it is. Can we please stop lurking. I don't wan to deal with replacements. Looking at you AK and Not Maf.

[BlankFace]

Yeah. No.

VOTE: Asher

Explain why Huntress is scum. Do something. Almost everything i said day 2 still applies to you.

[BlankFace]

Not_Mafia is town.

Uhhhh

I think I'd rather lynch Huntress over BlankFace now :/

PEDIT woops lots of prods

"I know Blank is town so I'll give reservations abou lynching him but do absolutely nothing to change the wagon, so when he flips I look more town."

[BlankFace]

Couple that with his very open reads on day 1, I can't link the post right now but there is his RC can be scum post, the post where he said I was scum but couldn't remember why, and when I iso him later I'm sure I'll find more.

It's betweem AK and Bulge.

[BlankFace]

BBT wasn't town. Just because RC flipped town doesn't mean you are. How are Huntress's reasons invalid? What have you done in the past few weeks to contribute to scum hunting?

[BlankFace]

Ok, there's no way BlankFace is scum. The game's activity is dropping like crazy. Apathy is rampant. Why would the last remaining scum member try to get the game going? Like it doesn't even make sense as a WIFOM tactic

VOTE: Huntress

Beceause it's the only way he stays alive?

I'm not voting huntress.

Then could you do something please? Okay, why am I scum besides your theory about lynchingg BBT? You are just putting in minimal effort right now and using this fake meta shield to excuse anyone who finds you scummy.

"But why didn't Cho and Pie just town read the hell out of each other! It makes no sense for us to be scum and bus each other!" Is a weak defense. And it doesn't excuse you from hunting.

[BlankFace]

UNVOTE:

It doesn't make sense for AK, Soren, or Huntess to not hammer here when more aggressive players are in my wagon. Scum is between NotSci and Bulge. I get home in an hour or so. I'm going into the two of them.

[BlankFace]

Huntress, AK is to you what RC was to me.

If he was scum, he would have hammered by now. What are your reads on NotMaf, Bulge, and NotSci?

[BlankFace]

AK, what are your reads right now? Besides Huntress?

[BlankFace]

So when I flip town NotSci, what then? Will you actually start hunting? Or are you going to pick someone else to tunnel?

[BlankFace]

It's fair logic and I was scum reading AK for a while before this, see my post on him day 2. But he's had ample chance to hammer and plenty of excuses too. Huntress was already town for me, you were already somewhat of a town read for me, AK was a scum read but I don't see him letting the game stall out like this.

Scum is already on my wagon, or was in the case of Bulge. I was at L-1 for almost five days. Either I am scum or scum is on my wagon. You can lynch me and see me flip town, that'll put as at 5 and mislynch and lose. Or people could stop being so apathetic and look at other possibilities and start posting. I will be putting more effort into reading later tonight. I actually had a day off and had a chance to diagnose my broken down car, so I have free time for once.

[BlankFace]

NotMaf, what is your read on NS?

[BlankFace]

Scum is already on my wagon, or was in the case of Bulge. I was at L-1 for almost five days./quote]I'm not so sure. It could be that either scum was on your wagon, or scum was too scared of hammering.

Why should scum be afraid of hammering here?

[BlankFace]

So when I flip town NotSci, what then? Will you actually start hunting? Or are you going to pick someone else to tunnel?

[BlankFace]

I'm fine with Huntress or Soren

notty why is Huntress town?

Why is NS town?

[BlankFace]

So basically the three most active players right now?

Let's look at Cho's interaction with NS then:

"... so she ran far away..."

VOTE COUNT 1.7

(1) Asher Kendrell - Not_Mafia (0) BlankFace - (4) BlueBloodedToffee - pieguyn, Soren, Cho, RadiantCowbells (0) Cho - (0) Huntress - (0) Malakittens - (0) Not_Mafia - (1) notscience - The Bulge (1) pieguyn - Sakura Hana (1) RadiantCowbells - BlankFace (1) Sakura Hana - Asher Kendrell (3) Soren - notscience, Huntress, BlueBloodedToffee (0) The Bulge - (1) not voting - Malakittens *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* with 13 alive , it's 7 to lynch. day 1 deadline: (expired on 2015-05-30 09:50:00) (May 30th) mod notes :

Only person voting for NS at the time is Bulge when she jumps on at 385. No case, nothing worthy of interest. I got shut down when trying to push for her reasoning. NS got shut down when pushing for her reasoning. Her reasoning boiled down to meta BS. So I have to ask at what point does Cho try to: a.) convince anyone her read is right? B.) Drive the lynch home?

481 is a call for more votes from Bulge and RC.
484 is just a "NotSci is scum" post. Not convincing.
Eh. Pie jumps on the notsci wagon 419. I'm willing to buy NotSci as town since two confscum jump on it. Alright. I can go with that.

So who did Cho and Pie townread together?
Me. Cho called me newbtown, Pie I'm pretty sure called me town early on.
Soren.

That's about it. I don't know if IC-Cho and normal-Cho townread scum partners like that in back to back games though. I just can't see Soren scum though. And I know what my role is.

Pie Townread:
Soren, NM, Myself, Asher later on 418,

Pie threw shade on Huntress in 464.

Fuck. Yeah, reading back NS is pretty much conftown.

I don't think she ever commented on Cho. She never commented on Bulge, minus a "might be scum" comment in 1153. She never gave a strong read on RC.
The only time she mentioned Cho was after Cho had flipped.

I'm willing to say that NotSci and Huntress are pretty much conftown. Need more time to keep going through interactions with context.

[BlankFace]

Soren is town. This is almost exactly how he was playing in Ninja McMafia. He's also the easiest to buddy up to because he's a pretty bubbly and happy player. Just look at the very first few posts of the game. Scum!Soren also doesn't point out the problem with my thought that AK, Huntress, and himself can't be scum because of how much time they had to hammer.

VOTE: Bulge

[BlankFace]

Huntress and Soren are town though.

Why would Huntress tunnel AK as scum when she could have hammered? I already explained why I think Huntress is pretty much conftown.
Why would Soren dismiss one of the points in me townreading him?

PoE leaves Bulge, AK, and NotMaf. This feels like NotMaf town. So that leaves Bulge and AK.

[BlankFace]

Can you explain why? Besides the BBT interaction? We are running out of time right now and you're lurking it out right now.

[BlankFace]

PoE and interaction with Pie/Cho. You'll see my vote is on Bulge though.

[BlankFace]

YO. WE HAVE SEVEN HOURS. WHERE IS EVERYONE?

[BlankFace]

I already said that I could go with Asher if we don't go Bulge. Soren, Huntress, and NotSci are my only town reads right now. NotMaf feels like town NotMaf but it's not as strong as the others.

[BlankFace]

Soren needs to claim.

P-Edit:
I see.

NS usually shows up around 5 or 6 my time. I want to wait for him to come in. It's like three or four hours away.

Asher did answer.

[BlankFace]

Running out of time. I'l hammer in twenty minutes if NS doesn't show up.

[BlankFace]

His input. He should have a say in what happens here. I'm fine with that then, I can wait. I got called into work so I'm trying to work around that and the deadline.

[BlankFace]

That's why I was tow reading NS yesterday and I still am: it's not Cho's vote on him but the way that Pie follows up with it.

I can go Bulge today. If it's not him, it's huntress.

[BlankFace]

Are you still voting me over your BBT theory? Or is there something else? please push harder NotSci, I really don't want to have the same stallout that we did yesterday.

[BlankFace]

What about Bulge is giving you that guy feeling?

I saw you guys are/are going to hydra somewhere, can you tell me what about his play this gam makes him town?

[BlankFace]

Ebwop: gut feeling. Apparently my phone thinks gut should be guy.

[BlankFace]

Bulge should be prodded.

[BlankFace]

Can you give a link for that please? I can't see where he reacted to any of the wagons on you. Unless you meant 749, but that doesn't relate to a wagon.

This is actually one of Bulge's posts that I'm getting scum vibes from.

One of the posts where he throws a line out for someone to be scum and then never follows through with it or does anything with it. I have to go to work right now but IIRC, he did the same thing for RC earlier too. Something about the way RC first started pushing me and how he responded to that whole thing about how I was taking not of something he did. I bet I can find more when I get around to isoing him to make a case. I just wanted to see if NotSci had a concrete reason for town reading him.

[BlankFace]

Pie's interactions with Huntress:

Spoiler: Quote Wall

o also, I don't really see where the town reads on Huntress are coming from. can someone walk me through it?

I can look at this two ways;
1. Pie throwing shade at Huntress.
2. Pie trying to get town to explain Huntress town reads in an attempt to cement the read. Get someone to say "Oh, Huntress is town because of X, X, and X". Hopefully get people to agree.

Her points for Soren scum are pretty good.

don't really agree with this. the only point there I think potentially holds any water is this one:

81 and 84, I can't believe you really thought BBT was saying he could make the scum nk so these posts don't make sense and look like you were just trying to find things against him. I actually thought you were joking when I read 84 but the vote in 86 implies you weren't.

but that by itself really isn't strong enough to make me scum read him. the rest are points that I don't particularly think are scummy - for example, I think she is misinterpreting what Soren is saying about notsci having to be replaced. if you look at what actually happened in the game, Soren willfully replaced out bc he claimed his RL was busy (then came back later and said he would have been fine if he stayed in the game), whereas notsci had flaked for a large portion of D2. when Soren was in the game he was fairly active, and he was clearly mindful of how lurking would harm the game. so calling Soren out for hypocrisy there is incorrect

it's essentially the same as what I've been saying this whole time: Soren's questions/what he's been saying in general so far this game haven't actually been pointless. so, meh.

First, context for the quote is 336 in which Huntress is explaining why Soren pinged her scum radar. This is Pie defending Soren, who is conftown. I'll stick with what I said the last time that I posted about Pie's interactions with the then living players; she was buddying up to him hardcore. Pie isn't aggressive here, Pie doesn't suggest Huntress is scum, just that her read is wrong. Could be Pie trying to protect Soren from the scum mislynch, trying to keep someone she thought she could control around?

@Mala:

walk me through why Huntress is town?

See my first post, could be trying to cement that town read. Mala, by the way, sort of answers in 769 and 776.

@ Pieguyn:

Re: 418 - Are you saying that because Soren is playing better than he did in what was effectively his first game here, and not asking newbie questions, that he can't be scum?

no. I'm saying that the assessment that he's asking pointless questions here is incorrect, and thus that scum reads on him for it are misguided. the meta merely serves as an example of what I'm talking about here.

Soren wasn't one of the main wagons at the time. In fact it was NS that put the first vote on.

fair point.

Again, Pie defending Soren from Huntress.

I see. I took it that you were giving that game as an example of his scum meta. If you weren't then why bring it up at all? I agree with you that his questions weren't pointless by the way.

it was, but it's not my main point

it only served as an example of the kinds of questions he previously asked when scum. you could argue that he would play it differently to that game if he was scum here, but regardless, the point is that the questions he's asking *in this game* aren't pointless

And that's it. Pie and Huntress's interactions were purely based off of whether or not Soren was scum. Pie gives off a vibe of scum reading Huntress with the 'Why is she town?' questions but the way she responds to the Soren questions doesn't give that same vibe off. Feels more like trying to guide the lynch than anything.

Pie's Interactions with Bulge

Spoiler: Quote Wall

83 - Just wanna expand on this further. Asher has played exactly one game with me, this game started way back in August.

For him to come out with a comment on 'that's just how he is' it just doesn't sit right with me. I don't feel like he can judge my personality from one game.

still disagree with this. as I said before, it's fairly easy to make judgements about someone's personality after playing with them even if you've only played with them once.

I don't think Asher saying this is out of the ordinary, and it's a really weak reason to push him as scum. does scum Asher have anything to gain by making that statement? if he supposedly doesn't know how you play, how would he have enough knowledge of your play to say that regardless of what his alignment is?

I also noticed Pie that you didn't actually explain why you were voting for me in this post. Can you do so now?

the same reasoning as I had before - the way you pushed the notsci PL. I switched bc you had a wagon on you and Asher didn't ~

PEdit - Almost everyone? 2 people disagreed - Pie and Mala. You also showed doubt about the PL when you stated if it prevented me from scum hunting you would have a problem with me. That was clear posturing on your part.

this isn't really what I would consider posturing, and even if it was, it's not scum motivated.

what Soren is saying here is that if you don't scum hunt, he would find it scummy. this is a perfectly natural thought to have: he thinks that you pushing a PL is null, but that it would be scummy if it was accompanied with a lack of scum hunting (as in this case, it would be coming from scum using it to hide).

what he's saying here essentially amounts to saying not scumhunting is scummy and that he'd be willing to vote for you if there was evidence that indicated you were doing that. what is incorrect about this? I don't particularly think it's correct to call something "posturing" unless there's a strategic advantage to be gained from it - aka scum attempting to lock people out of doing certain actions. writing it off as posturing feels more like an easy way to discredit his scum read on you.

168 - Noted that Bulge tried to continue RVS despite there being plenty of information/content to work with.

don't like this, either. calling people out for RVS voting after RVS is an easy excuse for scum to pull up in order to look like they're scum hunting.

Spoiler: Soren's pointless questions

That isn't even all of them. There's more.

it's been said, but this post is a huge exaggeration. a lot of the questions you point out here are actually game-relevant, ex 179 where Soren asks about the Bulge scum reads

do you disagree with my stated reasoning in my previous post? (don't say "lol meta" or I will fucking eat you; even if you ignore that he always gets scum read for this when in actuality his scum play is rather different, it's not hard to judge this based on his play in this particular game.)

Pie defends Bulge/Soren from BBT.

But this fluffposting is Soren's town-game as well. Nothing else has pinged me about him so far, so he's just a null at this point.

have you seen Soren's scum game?

bc his play here sure as hell isn't it

Different from the Huntress/Pie interaction is that Bulge is nullreading Soren. Pie continues to push her Soren is Town agenda.

(LYNCH)

Malakittens

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Sakura Hana

, RadiantCowbells, The Bulge, Asher Kendrell,

pieguyn

, Not_Mafia, BlueBloodedToffee

I'm coloring Sakura-slot green despite not being flipped bc fuck you there's no way in hell she could possibly be scum here even if it does turn out to be multiball. either way, I think lynching from someone on the Mala wagon would be a good lead for now. regardless of whether this is singleball or multiball, I would expect scum would capitalize on the shitstorm that was going on there.

notsci would be a potential candidate for this as well bc he was on the wagon in spirit, or at least thought Mala is scum, just wasn't voting her

notsci likely isn't on a team with Cho, though (that's the one thing I remember OTOH; should be able to go back and check again later)

one thing that has me somewhat paranoid is that BBT is saying the same thing I am, while pushing for a lynch on Soren who wasn't even on the wagon. which if this is singleball makes me think something along the lines of BBT/1 of {Asher, notsci}, although it might as well work with anyone else on the wagon. it might just be me, though. either way, it's scummy in it's own right.

Oh this is interesting. Pie completely ignores Bulge's participation on the wagon. Instead opts for AK and NotSci being BBT's partner.

nothing's going on to make me change my reads

I *think* NM might be town for tonal reasons. my impression of him from pokemon upick is that his posts generally just feel flat when he's scum, and I don't really get that here. (believe it or not him saying "you don't fuck this game, this game fucks you" is one post that makes me think this) the push on BBT isn't anything special, but I don't get scum vibes from it either.

also thinking Bulge might be scum but not really interested in pursuing it at this point

Only time that Pie mentions scumreading Bulge. Possible bus? If Bulge was a possibility, why wasn't he a possibility when looking at the Mala wagon? But at the same time, why bother bringing it up if she ignored it during the false wagon analysis.

Still have to go through Huntress's and Bulge's isos.

[BlankFace]

BTW; I already commented on Cho's interactions. They were pretty much nonexistent with most people.

[BlankFace]

Huntress never mentioned Cho day 1.

On the flipside, Bulge called out Pie/Cho/NS as being possible scum, just not all together in 483. He never mentioned her again Day 1.When he went into Mala's reads in 923, he didn't mention Mala's Cho townread.

[BlankFace]

NotMaf, this is pretty much the exact same situation from the newbie game we just played. One of those two are scum and I cant decide between the two. Gut says Bulge. Which is why I'd really like NotSci to take a harder look at him.

The game is still stalled and it kills my playstyle, I can't get better reads right now until people start posting and interacting. Stop dodgin prods please. This should be a town win and Id rather end it today.

NotMaf and NotSci are pretty much conftown. It's between me, bulge, and huntress. Please take harder looks at us.

[BlankFace]

The only world I can see NotSci being scum in is one where Cho busses him hard with the expectation that she'll be lynched/killed and hopefully let him coast to victory off of it. But I cant see her doing that before she found the traitor. And I don't know if self-sacrifice would be her thing.

I know what you mean about Day 1. I considered replacing out a few times after day 1. Wouldn't do it because it'd be a dick move to Bins.

Do you know why Huntress is tow reading you?

[BlankFace]

Oops. Forgot to mention The Bulge is V/LA until Saturday afternoon-ish.

Wait, NotSci, you're townreading Huntress because of what Mala said, right? Because Mala expressed some pretty serious doubts in her own read. So I'm not seeing where you are coming from on that. Quote will be in the next post.

[BlankFace]

There's two reasons why I'm refusing to ever take a huntress townread to the ground.

I had a bunch of tells which she now knows so that's invalid in reading her.

I for some reason always end up townreading her after I scum read her in a game and she flips scum.

So I don't have a perfect track record in reading her anymore.

She's done a better job at mixing her meta together.

=.=

This is the last time Mala mentioned Huntress.

[BlankFace]

i don't know, if that was their play I think Cho would have been more coherent about her push. I know Desperate Housewives images and glitter text gifs are her thing, but there was no effort in the push. If they have that much meta together, it would have been easy for NotSci to play into his scum meta and let her call him out on it in a more town looking way. That's the only way I see scum using that tactic, leaving Cho to carry scum and hopefully find the traitor. Otherwise, there are too many unknowns to justification in it. Pushing that before they found they traitor is too much of a risk. Eliminating your own confirmed partner before you find the traitor. Only thing that does is extend the game, which isn't good for scum. Plus depending on which way the lynch went if that was their play, it reveals there is a traitor. It doesn't benefit scum here to try it.

@Bulge; With one scum we are 4v1 right now. So it's one mislynch before LyLo.

[BlankFace]

so NotSci is pretty much conftown.
This is NotMafs town game 100%. He can't be scum.

Leaves me with a choice between up and Bulge. IIRC, Bulge has been on every single lynch this game. IIRC, you weren't on Mala, BBT, or RC. You also had a chance yesterday to hammer me, but didn't. That doesn't confirm you as town but it does make you look a lot better than him.

Right now, I'm thinking that bulge didn't know Pie was the traitor day 1. So he made his "scum is in cho/pie/NS" post to bus cho slightly but not put her in risk of a lynch. Could have also been directing Cho toward an oracle target covertly during the day. A way of saying "I think one of these is the traitor, don't push them." I need to double check if Bilge pushes NS after he makes that post. I know he did vote NS eventually. Couple that with some very open reads and he looks like he was trying to leave himself open to jump on a few people if given the chance.

intent to hammer Bulge

[BlankFace]

Waiting on Bulge for a response to what I just said. Or anyone else's input.

NotSci, what do you think about what I just said about Bulge?

[BlankFace]

There are other reasons that come from the interactions with Pie and interactions with Cho, which was a separate post. I already went over how the BBT lynch benefits scum.

The fact that no one else is bothering to hunt is really depressing.

[BlankFace]

VOTE: TheBulge

[BlankFace]

You haven't vocalized the things you have checked. NS doesn't even seem to be reading/rereading, NM isn't doing much either.

[BlankFace]

I was the target yesterday. I really wish he knew why he knew if Huntress was tow reading him more clearly. Because if he did, he won the game in my eyes.

When I asked that, he immediately voted Bulge. Because if he actually did that before Day 3, Pie doesn't die day 3.

[BlankFace]

Hell if I was scum, why would I even come in thread and try to convince you I'm town?

I have no incentive to convince you I'm town because if you crossed me I would have bf in my pocket

So why would I even bother

This same logic applies to why I would bother to hard defend you the past two days if I was just going to push you today. Especially if I was scum and going to keep Huntress alive. Why bother trying to push home why I thought you were conftown and what I thought was an error in her logic about you not being town?

I'll have more time to post and analyze tomorrow. I don't have it in me tonight.

[BlankFace]

It doesn't matter if it wasn't lylo. Why prep someone for the mindset that you are town if I was going to push you?

Hoping and praying aren't really good scum tactics.

[BlankFace]

Hell if I was scum, why would I even come in thread and try to convince you I'm town?

I have no incentive to convince you I'm town because if you crossed me I would have bf in my pocket

So why would I even bother

This same logic applies to why I would bother to hard defend you the past two days if I was just going to push you today. Especially if I was scum and going to keep Huntress alive. Why bother trying to push home why I thought you were conftown and what I thought was an error in her logic about you not being town?

I'll have more time to post and analyze tomorrow. I don't have it in me tonight.

[BlankFace]

Hell, why would scum-me even step it up now?

I would have no reason to after getting away with lurking for days

... Because it's LyLo? And as scum you would HAVE to start posting now? What kind of straw man is that?

So instead of giving reasoning as to why I'm scum, you're just going to keep saying "I'm not scum because of this WIFOM!"?

This is the "BF wants to save the SK!" push all over again.

Oh fuck it. I should be going to sleep but this actually pisses me right the fuck off.

So, here's my thing-

I'm trying to figure out how these nightkills make sense.

BBT, Pie, Hobbes, Asher, and NM.

Pie was obviously a fuckup by scum.

Looking back, Blank was townreadig her whereas huntress had no real comments regarding her.

There's also the whole "if huntress is scum, why did notmafia live this long?" I doubt scum-huntress would have crosskilled when she had a PR confirmed to her.

Huntress has had me as town since d2, don't think she is scum, wouldn't mind just getting a flip at this point

Pretty much assures huntress knew by then notmaf was a PR. So why a pie kill? I suppose you can wifom about how she didntfind nm a threat and blahblahblah but it is rather strange to have someone other than a PR die the night after she finds out he is a FN if she is scum. But look when NM died here!

there's also the question of "if blankface is scum why did he bring me to lylo" when I've been tunneling him the past few days. He knows I'm a pretty much assured vote on him. Why not just kill me and let notmafia decide? Like I suppose he could be praying that I impulse vote him and make huntress conftown but at the same time thats a pretty risky play to make. of course, I just skimmed the last part of huntress's ISO and realize I've been brought here for huntress to vote me.

So idk like this is going to be labeled as confbias and tunneling but this gamestate makes a lot more sense from BF scum than it does huntress scum

First of all; I wouldn't have shot BBT day 1. But that's WIFOM. Just like your night kill speculations. We can sit here and say "Nuh-uh! You would've shot X!" all you want, but it doesn't accomplish anything. I'd rather deal with what you've actually said in the game then come up with some bullshit theory that doesn't have weight behind it.

Second of all; I seem to recall you calling out to Pie in thread to chat about the state of the game. And I said I townread her Day 1. At the very beginning of the game. Like the very beginning. Before Bulge replaced in. Before Cho even had her first post in the game. Sure was some significant interaction there!

I agree with you about Huntress. Which is why I asked about it yesterday when I was trying to figure out what was going on between her and Bulge.

And then there's the "I've just skimmed past Huntress's Iso and realize I've been brought here for huntress to vote me" bit. Which makes no sense. Why would I bother to push how I thought NS is conftown if I was just going to bring NS and Huntress here? Why would I try to change Huntress's mind when she said that she wasn't ruling NS out? 0 fucking sense as scum. Especially when I could have just brought NM and Huntress here and said "Well it wasn't Bulge, it must be Huntress! See how I was right about NS?!" Zero. Fucking. Sense. As scum, I had much better plays there.

Essentially what I am saying is

From a gamestate standpoint, this makes the most sense from bf scum

But I suppose it's going to come down to whether or not huntress realizes I am town

So hi huntress

lets chat

AtE. Plain and simple.

okay, so here's the thing

A lot of my interactions with the scum day 1 make no sense from scum/scum- see: Cho's little "don't do that whole freak out thing if I revote you because that makes my read waver" is an attempt to garner the emotional aspect from me. its almost an attempt at buddying me once the wagon died down.

There's also the whole "why would those two powerbus me when Mala was townreading me, it would be easier to tell sakura she's wrong"

And frankly, if I were scum, I would have killed pie night 1. Her being in this game as an unknown variable is a HUGE threat to scum-me. I would have also have killed off the people who werent apathetic, (the hobbes kill wouldn't have happened.) And I udnerstand because this is me saying this in lylo you have to take it with a grain of salt, but a big big big part of my scumgame is to break up TvTs and jump in the middle of them, not to get involved in a fight with someone like that. Its not how scum-me plays, scum-me way prefers hyperactivity induced apathy.

And I know there's the whole "why was BF trying to step it up and why was he the only one doing so" because as the sole scum left and about to be poe lynched, he HAD to. It was the only way he could ope to survive.

Hell if I was scum, why would I even come in thread and try to convince you I'm town?

I have no incentive to convince you I'm town because if you crossed me I would have bf in my pocket

So why would I even bother

More WIFOM as a defense. "I would have killed Pie." Why would you? I can see you having a grudge against BBT for suggesting that you be PL and trying to NK him. But again, that's just WIFOM and COMPLETELY USELESS. NK speculation is a waste of time.

As for the "Why was BF trying to step it up..." bit. SHOW ME THE GAME WHERE TOWN IS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED LIKE THAT AND JUST FUCKING ROLLS OVER AND TAKES IT? That is bullshit and you know it. And after that? When I wasn't in danger of being lynched anymore? Why keep 'steping it up'. Oh. Because if I was scum, I would have to to survive and win? But you get to say THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF AS A DEFENSE RIGHT NOW? "Why would I

bother

to put in any effort right now when I was getting away with lurking for so long?"

You got away with lurking because I got sick of begging you for fucking content. Or when you did answer me? It looked something like this:

hmmm where did I get that read

idk!

And @huntress I was more talking some of the sarcasm regarding it

You weren't just lurking. You were fucking noncommital to anything besides placing a useless vote on me and distancing yourself from as many of the other players as possible. Yet now you have a fucking voice? Now you have reasons to vote me. WHEN YOU COULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING PUSHING THEM HARDER YESTERDAY. IF YOU WERE SO GODDAM SURE ABOUT IT.

Look at it this way huntress- the nightkills make no sense to have come from me (which I've said)

Day 1 makes no sense for me to have been scum

Now, why would I bring the two of you to lylo with me instead of notmaf/BF or notmaf/you?

More WIFOM "See how I'm town! I don't need to actually post CONTENT for why BF is scum, just take my word for how town I am and it's obvious."

I'm telling you how the game makes sense from a scum-blankface perspective

Im asking you to give me a fair chance and see if that makes sense to you

Except the game doesn't fucking make sense from a scum-Blankface perspective. I had a cleared fucking PR in my pocket. And I feel pretty confident that if I could match my fucking town game, WITH WHICH NOTMAF HAS THE MOST EXPERIENCE SEEING AS HE'S BEEN IN A MAJORITY OF THEM, so well that I can convince NotMaf to back off of my wagon and to follow me yesterday, WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I KILL HIM. It. Makes. No. Fucking. Sense.

YOU KNOW WHAT DOES MAKE SENSE?|

hmmm where did I get that read

idk!

And @huntress I was more talking some of the sarcasm regarding it

Bulge

i am not voting huntress

I will vote either of the other two

pick

You knew what your endgame was going to be yesterday. You knew that I was wrong, that neither Bulge or Huntress was scum. You wanted Huntress here.


So like I said earlier: I don't have a good mindset for this right now. I'll be here tomorrow to go through all of your posts. But Huntress, just take a look at NS's posts yesterday and tell me how that comes from a town mindset. How being so fucking vague about everything helps town. How if he was so fucking certain I was scum since day 4 that he wasn't pushing me harder?

P-Edit:
Why is that a clincher? NS didn't know that NotMaf was a PR until today. He even said so himself.

[BlankFace]

First: apologies if I sound like a dick in that last post. Wasn't my intention.

I'm just now realizing that if Huntress was scum, brining me and NS into LyLo was the smartest play ever.

That's why I wasn't going to make a case until I went back through the game NS. Because I'm not 100% Huntress is town. I need to rerea some very specific parts of the game in regards to you. If Huntress is scum and was told NotMaf was town night 1, why would she keep him around? Because he buys her a town read just by being alive for so long. It brings up the "Why not kill a town PR?" Argument. First, is FN strong enough to be worried about? I don't think it is. Especially when you can keep him around in attempt to clear yourself. I need to go back and see what NotMafs early read on Huntress was.

So why doesn't Huntress kill me/you instead of NotMaf? Look at our interactions the past two days. You did nithing but tunnel me. Chances were good you were going to continue that, along with letting NotMa live so long, pretty much lets Huntress sit back and let us argue it out while she waits. And that's exactly how it's playing out.

[BlankFace]

Again have to ask why I would kill NM when he was actively trusting me? He wasn't scum reading me and he's the only one here I have meta with to have any sway in his opinion. If I was scum, I'd have a better chance convincing him this is my town game that he's seen before than convincing one person I've never played before I'm town. It also would have put all of the pressure on a town member who was vocally apathetic about the game. If I could talk NM out of not lynching me two days ago, why wouldn't I think I could do it again as scum?

[BlankFace]

Him knowing that doesn't change the fact that at least I'd have a foot in the door with him. No sense in not trying for it if all it comes down to is me and you, Huntress. I'm fairly confident I could fake a reasonable case against you in that position.

So I'm scum because of NK speculation? Is that what this is boiling down to? Because that's fucking weak.

NS can't come up with one reason I'm scum outside of the NK that sticks. You haven't come up with one reason I'm scum outside of the night kill that sticks.

I'm going to go through the thread when I get home today at 2 pm est. .

[BlankFace]

That said, the first part of your post makes a lot of sense. If you're scum and you risked that, it could come back to bite you hard. Especially given the lack of town PR flips.

[BlankFace]

I'm an idiot and I've been looking at the scum interactions the wrong way. Things make a lot more sense now I think, just need to reread to make sure I'm right.


@NS, you wouldn't kill Pie day 1. Not a chance you kill here before Cho investigates her. Especially not when she played along with a his gambit of either bussing you OR trying to get you lynched to clear herself. Scum/Scum interaction between you and Cho day 1 does make sense when you look at the lack of a fight you put up against cho's push on you and the amount of a fight you put up against Sakura when she pushes you. If Cho has just as much meta, you would've argued that a lot sooner as town.

Your argument that I was town reading her day 1 doesn't hold weight either, unless you find where she crumbed she was the traitor to me, scum to traitor interactions day 1 are pointless. Traitor to scum interactions are where the story is day 1. And Day 2 if I'm right. Because when Cho flips as scum oracle, pie has to try much harder to announce to you that she is the traitor without giving t away to the town. And I think she did just that. Will expand on this when I get home.

[BlankFace]

Cho, what do you think of Mala townreading me while the rest of you scumread me?

I'm townreading Mala separately from things related to you - I actually don't even remember her townreading you.

This is making me think of you accusing Sakura of whiteknighting and her somehow shifting to agreeing with me and voting you, which I admittedly wasn't paying much attention to either and kind of want to see how things changed but also being too lazy to. I still think unless Sakura found a way with her new playstyle to also give herself the confidence to reserve her logic

in place of

her emotions as scum, she's town.

Also if it wasn't clear I don't know if you're town or scum anymore, but (I never thought I would say this)

either way the wagon needs an emergency brake right now.

This is me saying be prepared for me to potentially vote you again if I feel like it, and asking that you not bitch about it if it happens (which I am asking just because I hate how I instinctively townread you when you do that and I think if you're scum it's screwing my read up so yeah please stop doing that).

This is the post that NS was claiming to be Cho buddying up to him. I'm not seeing the same thing.

I think this is the post where Cho decides she's bussed enough to be safe. For context, her post before this is switching from NS to BBT. What I need to look at is if Pie ever voted NS. And Pie's reactions to Cho voting NS. Because I think that is what Cho was doing the entire time; looking for the traitor. Vote your partner and look at how people acknowledge it, look for anyone who seems to notice what's up. I also need to look at how Sakura pushed NS, because NS's reactions to Cho's wagon is weak. Incredibly weak.

And I need to look at Pie Day 2 for any hints she drops to NS; with Cho gone she has to find a way to try and make it seem obvious that she is the traitor to him without any of us knowing. The only post that sticks out in the back of my head is the wagon analysis. But I'll look again.

[BlankFace]

VOTE: NotScience

If Huntress is the last scum, I'll eat my shoe, I just can't see any way it isn't NotSci at this point.

[BlankFace]

I don't think these posts point to BF being Cho's partner.

Yes, clearly the limited interactions point to bf town

Clearly.

How did Pie communicate she was the traitor to me day 2? Saying she didn't try to tell her partner who she was is implausible.

[BlankFace]

Are you seriously town NotSci?

GOD. DAMMIT. I'll go find a shoe.

[BlankFace]

Fuck.

Well played Huntress.

[BlankFace]

With me and NotSci alive, I don't think this was going to go any other way. I should have listened to that paranoia I had a few days ago.

[BlankFace]

I tried to point this out but got shut down and doubted myself.

Goddammit. I should have just kept you tucked away as conftown NotSci.

[BlankFace]

Thanks for modding, Bins. Your flavor got me playing A Dark Room again for a while.