Racism will probably always exist, as long as race exists, but progress is obviously being made. 95% of people are not racist, probably, and social progressives are being more vocal than before, just as with gay marraige.
the current campaign's not about weeding out the last Klanmen
it's about changing a society that systematically privileges whites over blacks
many more than 5% of Americans accept, enable, and sustain that inequality
My point is that yes, while the structure of society is unfair to blacks(wealth, justice, etc), while people should not tolerate it like they do, I think on the whole individuals understand minorities as people and are not as racist as in previous decades. It takes time to change an unfair system that's indoctrined in policy and government structure like it is.
In post 134, Aeronaut wrote:Yea I thinks it's still a ratio of 79 Cents to a dollar or something
Bernie sanders will fix it
It's not that bad actually. There are actually families where the woman makes more money. 1/1 equality is probably never going to happen because wages are not even equal for people who do the same job.
The entire problem with the wage gap is that you're comparing the amount of money all men and women make in the country, without looking at the careers they actually work, the hours, time off taken, ect. It's a really complex equation.
Edit: Peeking at the wiki on the gap and the latest measurement says 82 cents to the dollar, at least some of that is probably accounted for in difference in skill, experience, occupation. Some of it is probably gender discrimination, but I think it's a bit dishonest to say the entire gap is 100% gender discrimination.
In post 136, Zachrulez wrote:at least some of that is probably accounted for in difference in skill, experience, occupation.
I mean, gender discrimination doesn't necessarily mean that some dastardly executive is paying his female employees less JUST CAUSE HE CAN MWAHAHAHAHA!
Usually it means things like undervaluing female workers' experience, assuming they have less skill, and society valuing the labor put into traditionally female jobs less.
In post 134, Aeronaut wrote:Yea I thinks it's still a ratio of 79 Cents to a dollar or something
Bernie sanders will fix it
It's not that bad actually. There are actually families where the woman makes more money. 1/1 equality is probably never going to happen because wages are not even equal for people who do the same job.
The entire problem with the wage gap is that you're comparing the amount of money all men and women make in the country, without looking at the careers they actually work, the hours, time off taken, ect. It's a really complex equation.
Edit: Peeking at the wiki on the gap and the latest measurement says 82 cents to the dollar, at least some of that is probably accounted for in difference in skill, experience, occupation. Some of it is probably gender discrimination, but I think it's a bit dishonest to say the entire gap is 100% gender discrimination.
Well, why it is that women have such differences in skill, experience, and occupation? It's certainly not 100% "Lol check this out, I'm going to pay this woman less", but unless you believe that women are inherently less skilled, able to gain experience, and able to work higher paying occupations, the whole thing IS sexism.
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Women are 8 times less likely to negotiate for higher wages. I think that's a pretty big contributing factor in why they get paid less. (Being averse to negotiating for wages myself, I can correlate this one.) Not sure how that kind of problem can possibly be addressed either, since an employer is content to pay you as low as they possibly can.
We're also never going to see a world where men and women are distributed completely evenly across every single industry. Because of that you can't really compare wages because you're comparing apples to oranges rather than apples to apples.
Also women typically have more work to do at home so they are less willing to go after promotions, etc. Also society gender roles make it difficult for women to be comfortable in leadership position, and men have traditionally held more leadership roles, which is why there are more male CEO's, no female presidents, etc.
In post 127, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Racism will probably always exist, as long as race exists, but progress is obviously being made. 95% of people are not racist, probably, and social progressives are being more vocal than before, just as with gay marraige.
I don't think its fair to say it'll always exist.
it hasn't even always existed? ancient rome for example = not racist
In post 127, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Racism will probably always exist, as long as race exists, but progress is obviously being made. 95% of people are not racist, probably, and social progressives are being more vocal than before, just as with gay marraige.
I don't think its fair to say it'll always exist.
it hasn't even always existed? ancient rome for example = not racist
That's because ethnicity was not an important part of social structure in ancient rome.
In post 142, Zachrulez wrote:Women are 8 times less likely to negotiate for higher wages. I think that's a pretty big contributing factor in why they get paid less. (Being averse to negotiating for wages myself, I can correlate this one.) Not sure how that kind of problem can possibly be addressed either, since an employer is content to pay you as low as they possibly can.
We're also never going to see a world where men and women are distributed completely evenly across every single industry. Because of that you can't really compare wages because you're comparing apples to oranges rather than apples to apples.
Well, I'm sure men who speak up being perceived as assertive and women doing the same being perceived as bitchy has nothing to do with it.
Just because we probably won't see equality doesn't mean we can't identify the SOURCES of why there is equality and see what we can do about them.
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My friends from Wisconsin had this to say about Scott Walker
Fuck Scott Walker. We wanted a smarter government, and he cuts education by 250 million and eliminates tenure. Maybe if he went to college himself he might have a bit more respect for the vast swaths of brain mass he has robbed from my generation. I think it's appropriate to refer to this timeline as B.S. (Before Scott) and A.A. (After Asshole)
I mean, gender discrimination doesn't necessarily mean that some dastardly executive is paying his female employees less JUST CAUSE HE CAN MWAHAHAHAHA!
