UK Meet 2015 Invitational (Game Over)

[Ampersand]

Shanba, you should probably just claim.

Non-voters, you should probably vote.

I'm sorry for not mustering up more energy for this game.

But don't worry, we've got a plan.

- Fenchurch

[Shanba]

I'm vanilla townie.

[Nexus]

vote Ampersand

Am I doing this right?

(I promise I'll read this really)

[Nexus]

unvote

To be fair, wouldn't the best move be to lynch one of the two claimed players? And technically a Tracker is more useful than a VT.

[ChannelDelibird]

Here and keeping an eye on this during work.

I feel conflicted about a Shanba lynch but I don't think that there's any option with which I'd be completely comfortable. Given that, lynching the VT claim seems sensible enough.

[Shanba]

sigh, yeah, that was roughly the response I was expecting, which was why I was hoping at least we could nail down people on some opinions first...

[Ampersand]

Shanba, why aren't you voting anyone? You were waiting for a couple of players to give their own read on you, is that likely to help you place a vote?

Nexus, what the hell was that? Oh, your vote on us was a joke-vote? Also I'm unclear between your 302 and 303, you imply you haven't read the game, but you do appear to be up to date with the claims.

To be fair, wouldn't the best move be to lynch one of the two claimed players? And technically a Tracker is more useful than a VT.

CES thinks this is scummy. Suggesting lynches based on gamestate rather than reads indicates an unwillingness to take responsibility for choosing a lynch.

We might be up for a flashwagon on Nexus, if anyone else is interested.

CDB - your read on Nexus was based on his engagement and activity in early game. Does his lack of activity on Day 2 do nothing to modify that read?

Elmo - Shanba is right in that you don't really seem to have declared a read on him. In 286 you rule out Tammy and then say that leaves you with CDB-Nexus, but at that point I'd already placed a vote on Shanba, so why not consider him? Why haven't you considered us at all, for that matter?

Tammy, where are you? When you joined the game your provided plenty of exciting insight and observations, but for the past two days you've vanished. (Is this because you are scum?)

- Fenchurch

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB - your read on Nexus was based on his engagement and activity in early game. Does his lack of activity on Day 2 do nothing to modify that read?

No more than anyone else's lack of activity has.

[Elmo]

Non-Shanba stuff postponed, sorry!

Mod

, please prod Tammy & Porochaz, thank you.

Elmo, what's your current read on me? What's your read on prozac?

Generally townish. I remember you starting out quite relaxed, you hate being scum so posts like #41 seem townish when they're comfortable and read natural. A number of times you said things I was thinking, like #126 when AV was being weird, FenCes talking to themselves, reaction to the last part of CDB's #55. I think your frustration in #254 seems real, inthat again I've had a similar feeling at around that time, I think.

Bad signs - You didn't take many strong positions, although that's not really specific to you. The hito kill points to you most.

If I judged Porochaz on play he's somewhat scummy. If town, he hasn't got his teeth into the game, and I can sorta see that happening because I could see him as needing to be emotionally invested in a game to play well, but I think most people've had tough games and his attempts to get into the game have been weak - I don't know how throwing down a naked vote on me twice is supposed to do that, for example. If he's scum, he's pretty much skating through on the claim, and he's been much quieter since he was run up where I'd expect town Prozac to start trying to push something or even give a clear opinion since he's liable to die tonight.

Good signs - I was pretty leery of the wagon because Nexus' reasons seemed really thin, and he pushed it hard, yet it seemed to settle - you seemed to agree with him that he's the "default vote" which I found off-putting. The hito kill seems inconsistent with him being scum. Now you ask and I actually type that out, it's rather thinner than I'd like.

Bleah, I don't actually think this is a good lynch, but I can't put a good case out. Not sure when I'll be available today, but I'll post this now anyhow. I VOTE: ChannelDelibird I guess, due to the Nexus interaction, but I'm not sure who the best vote really is.

[Fenchurch]

No more than anyone else's lack of activity has.

You'd say it's no different? I might not have been amazingly active, but I have definitely read every part of the game as it's happened, and commented on it.

How confident would you say you are in your Nexus-read? Like, how accurate do you think it is, how surprised would you be to be wrong, how likely would you be to put money on it if that were an option. (Note: not asking you to actually put any money on it, no rule-breaking, but this is a metric that I personally use to judge how certain I am on a lynch.)

Feel free to provide this information in comparison to your other reads, too.

- Fenchurch

[Fenchurch]

this is a metric that I personally use to judge how certain I am on a lynch

* on a read, not just a lynch

[Ampersand]

No more than anyone else's lack of activity has.

You'd say it's no different? I might not have been amazingly active, but I have definitely read every part of the game as it's happened, and commented on it.

How confident would you say you are in your Nexus-read? Like, how accurate do you think it is, how surprised would you be to be wrong, how likely would you be to put money on it if that were an option. (Note: not asking you to actually put any money on it, no rule-breaking, but this is a metric that I personally use to judge how certain I am on a lynch.)

Feel free to provide this information in comparison to your other reads, too.

- Fenchurch

[Ampersand]

this is a metric that I personally use to judge how certain I am on a lynch

* on a read, not just a lynch

PS: god-damn hydraslips

[Elmo]

Oh, more things. I'd definitely take a Nexus lynch over a Shanba lynch. CDB's read of him still weirds me out, though.

[Tammy]

Okay so I am, at this moment, tired and tipsy, but am going to catch up here.

Sorry I was not here earlier. I thought my company was only staying last night, so I'd be able to catch up before, but it was extended which gave me less time though I'm not complaining becaus yay company.

[Tammy]

And I got prodded!

[Porochaz]

Im not in prod range. The second vote wasn't naked, it was at that point I hadn't felt you had done anything.

unvote

though. I'm a bit annoyed by the "weak" statement. It hasn't helped that I seem to post when others aren't. Not anyones fault however but I am interested to know how you would have gotten into the game? Especially since give or take a Tammy, Im not sure if anyone has really "gotten into" the game.

I mean I have clearly stated where I am with the game. I'm not going to start nit-picking at various things and calling them scummy, because A. it would be disingenuous and B. I'm not sure anyone is that invested. Town Prozac (self meta) would only go for things had he actually stuff to go for. Scum Prozac would probably be pushing harder at this point. As you guys know, my scum game is better than my town game.

Your vote on CDB is interesting given my results. What are your thoughts in regards to that?

[Tammy]

Company is now stealing my food. Mean company.

[ChannelDelibird]

You'd say it's no different? I might not have been amazingly active, but I have definitely read every part of the game as it's happened, and commented on it.

And you're possibly the only person who could say as much. We don't have six scum. And Nexus tends to burn brightly before starting to fade a bit anyway.

How confident would you say you are in your Nexus-read? Like, how accurate do you think it is, how surprised would you be to be wrong, how likely would you be to put money on it if that were an option. (Note: not asking you to actually put any money on it, no rule-breaking, but this is a metric that I personally use to judge how certain I am on a lynch.)

To my memory, the only time when I have been wrong about Nexus's alignment as town on the forum is when I ended up second-guessing myself in Red Wedding Mafia, having correctly identified him as town early on Day 1 in that game and vociferously backing that read for several Days. I put a lot of stock into my read on him. I won't say I'm 100% but really the only reason why there's any doubt at all in my mind is because there are a handful of people expressing suspicion of him and maybe he's just suddenly really good at fooling me somehow. But I don't really see how he would become so good at obfuscating his alignment to me in a way that tips off other people to him being scum. I would put money on him being town, yes.

Feel free to provide this information in comparison to your other reads, too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7044777

I would probably put money on you guys being town as well but, if I only had one bet, it would be on Nexus. I am not sure enough to say the same about anyone else.

[Elmo]

In 286 you rule out Tammy and then say that leaves you with CDB-Nexus, but at that point I'd already placed a vote on Shanba, so why not consider him? Why haven't you considered us at all, for that matter?

I have considered you, I think you're probably town. I thought Shanba was townish, but when you voted, you said

I'm switching to Shanba now though, because looking back just briefly, although he's posted more than Primate/Elmo, I think he's actually been less insightful, and the post I'd marked him as town for (104) doesn't look that amazing in retrospect. Plus I think Shanba-scum would also be fairly likely to make the hito-kill.

Basically, evaluating this needed more rereading which I put on my to-do list; I wanted to get to it sooner, but didn't manage. In absence of that, I went with the read I had to try and find a better lynch.

[Tammy]

I'm now seeing from an outside view why people sometimes have a problem with me after reading shanba's posts. I mean cause some of the contradictory stuff feels weird then I go gosh that sounds like me and I'm feeling problematic.

[Shanba]

I don't think the things you think are contradictory are actually contradictory. I already addressed the only thing you've mentioned?

I'm going to strangle hito after this game, I swear.

Fenchurch is right, I should vote someone.... ahhh

[/b]Vote: prozac[/b]

IDK man.

[Ampersand]

Shanba, if you are town - and I'm still open to the possibility that you are town - please vote for someone who isn't Porochaz? Quite a few people (myself included) are unwilling to lynch him today, and he has claimed a PR.

I started my reread, and first thing I noticed was that Nexus didn't actually claim to have gotten his 'favourite role' as Tammy described it earlier, but he got 'the role that he always picks in Greater Idea'. (To be fair, these could be the same thing, but I'm not sure right now if they are.)

CDB - do you think you know what role this is? I'm not looking for the role itself, just your thoughts.

- Fenchurch

[Porochaz]

Gut is saying Ampersand.

Thought process is cloudy but saying I should be voting Shanba... especially after the vote on me.

I may read up on some stuff but my vote is likely to go there.

[Ampersand]

Gut is saying Ampersand.

Where does this come from? I mean besides 'gut' and 'I've been wrong about Fen/CES before', what is there that actually makes you feel like we are likely scum?

Also, out of interest, do you think my forum scum-game would be similar to my F2F scum-game?

And what is it that makes you feel you '

should

vote Shanba', prior to his vote on you? Just because it's 3 hours to deadline and we've gotta lynch somebody, or something besides that?

I've got more thoughts forming from my re-read but I'm only on p5 now so will try and finish the whole thing before drawing conclusions.

Also my previous post was incorrect, Nexus did say he got his 'favourite role'.

- Fenchurch