In post 122, Akuseru wrote:Thing is, there isn't much fixation on HCL (besides thespio), and he could have let his vote remain on you as he analyzed/question/or accuse other players. Further more his actions don't dictate the rest of us, so he doesn't have to take his vote off just so WE can direct our attentions to others. I'm leaning more towards that being just the way he plays (new?).
I was right though, all talk of veegee and other lurkers/afks have been dropped while we examine HCL and accusers. Its not that im new i just see that this is the way we are shifting. Though looking at HCL's previous part game, he plays just about the same now as he did in that game, and in that game he was town. While its not a good way to play, shifting views so freely, it seems on par to his previous town play. What are your guys thoughts on the other less active players?
In post 122, Akuseru wrote:Thing is, there isn't much fixation on HCL (besides thespio), and he could have let his vote remain on you as he analyzed/question/or accuse other players. Further more his actions don't dictate the rest of us, so he doesn't have to take his vote off just so WE can direct our attentions to others. I'm leaning more towards that being just the way he plays (new?).
I was right though, all talk of veegee and other lurkers/afks have been dropped while we examine HCL and accusers. Its not that im new i just see that this is the way we are shifting. Though looking at HCL's previous part game, he plays just about the same now as he did in that game, and in that game he was town. While its not a good way to play, shifting views so freely, it seems on par to his previous town play. What are your guys thoughts on the other less active players?
VOTE: VeeGee
Let's do this then?
if you want to jump to lynching thats fine but I was more wondering what your opinion on him is.
Prod Request: Veegee
There's nothing to read. Maybe some votes will get this guy talking.
Stubbs is scummy because he hasn't been able to explain what he was trying to accomplish by voting Vegee. The only explination I can think of is that it was a popular opinion at the time and that he wanted to blend in and look busy. All things I find scummy.
Micc wrote:Stubbs is scummy because he hasn't been able to explain what he was trying to accomplish by voting Vegee.
It's not that he hasn't been able to explain it. His explanation was not to your satisfaction. There's a difference.
In post 179, Micc wrote:Unless you're buying that voting newbies
after
they appear to have flaked is a productive way to make them post?
...The vote occurred
BEFORE
.
At the time of StubbsKVM's vote, Veegee had recently posted (he placed a vote about a couple of days ago). Not posting for two days = abandoning game? I would first think they were lurking before deciding they've left the game.
Uhh sure. He's dodged every follow up question I've asked in an attempt to get additional information. Its pretty clear he doesn't want to talk about it either which I don't find town.
It was 2 days and change from Veegee's last post and Stubbs's vote and 5ish days into the game. Ive modded enough newbie games to know thats going to be a replacement 75% of the time. Not that it really matters. I still can fathom why votes would make the player more likely to come post than a prod from the moderator.
Then ask yourself what makes his two days worse than my 4. Its pretty clear he voted because two other players expressed they were annoyed and he expected to be able to place an under the radar vote. **bonus: hes the first person on the wagon if it goes through**
In post 182, Micc wrote:Uhh sure. He's dodged every follow up question I've asked in an attempt to get additional information. Its pretty clear he doesn't want to talk about it either which I don't find town.
Or he is honestly new and isnt sure what to say... You say you have hosted Newbie lobbies.
It was 2 days and change from Veegee's last post and Stubbs's vote and 5ish days into the game. Ive modded enough newbie games to know thats going to be a replacement 75% of the time. Not that it really matters. I still can fathom why votes would make the player more likely to come post than a prod from the moderator.
This is why I didnt vote Veegee, he seemed afk and his profile was inactive.
Then ask yourself what makes his two days worse than my 4. Its pretty clear he voted because two other players expressed they were annoyed and he expected to be able to place an under the radar vote. **bonus: hes the first person on the wagon if it goes through**
This is true, and an interesting thought, but we could say the same thing about you, who knows newbies, and yet is badgering (profile pic :p) someone into submission, even though you understand they are new.
Stubbs is designated as a SE so he is by definition not a newbie. Not that it really matters - my job isnt to take it easy on newbies, its to be an example of what typical play on this site is like. I'm not going to treat anyone different based on their experience level. If you think my level of badgering for information and answers has been too much then forum mafia probably isnt the game for you.
Its sad you are so obtrusive, Honestly dealing with you isnt worth the trouble, set an example if needs be, but doing so by showing that bullying anyone who questions you looks like you are trying really hard to appear town. Rather then questioning my ability or want to play this game we should probably look at how you have played, you prod dodged until you were called out, once called out you immediately began badgering everyone. If you think its stubbs why haven't you voted him?
If you think those things make me scum then place a vote. I'll ask you to provide examples of bullying and to explain why those things are more likely to come from scum. Then other players will comment and form opinions and reads and we will actually be progressing in this game. Id welcome that because this game feels really stand still since i started keeping up.
In post 177, Micc wrote:In case my phone posting isn't clear...
Stubbs is scummy because he hasn't been able to explain what he was trying to accomplish by voting Vegee. The only explination I can think of is that it was a popular opinion at the time and that he wanted to blend in and look busy. All things I find scummy.
In post 182, Micc wrote:Then ask yourself what makes his two days worse than my 4.
One could argue that he chose Veegee over you because he found him more suspicious. However, StubbsKVM said it himself, he wasn't scum reading the slot (and if he was scum reading at the time of the vote, instead of just quotes implying that the vote was to prompt Veegee into posting, he would have also added the fact that he was scum reading Veegee at the time...but he didn't).
In post 177, Micc wrote:In case my phone posting isn't clear...
Stubbs is scummy because he hasn't been able to explain what he was trying to accomplish by voting Vegee. The only explination I can think of is that it was a popular opinion at the time and that he wanted to blend in and look busy. All things I find scummy.
Really? My post literally says "maybe some votes will get this guy talking".
Anyway, this entire thing is just not going anywhere and is not moving this game forward. So I'm moving on. Fortunately, I don't need Micc's approval to play my own way.
Joram, are you going to start playing the game or are you going to keep providing 0 content throughout this entire game?(yes Micc, I checked when he last visited this time, so I don't get yelled at again)
Micc's accusation is that I've not explained my vote. I have quoted my reasoning. I don't really see the point in having this discussion over and over again.
I don't see any question I've missed, which one are you talking about, Thespio?
Next:
Bulbazoor: I am "he". Thanks. Do you consider not answering questions "noob plays"? Why?
In post 194, StubbsKVM wrote:I don't see any question I've missed, which one are you talking about, Thespio?
NVM I see where u answered it, sorry, why are you all still drilling him? It seems like he has reasoning behind his vote, pressure to cause a statement from veegee, what about that is inadequate?
Are we gonna ignore the fact that Akuseru says he has reads but wont post them...?
In post 177, Micc wrote:In case my phone posting isn't clear...
Stubbs is scummy because he hasn't been able to explain what he was trying to accomplish by voting Vegee. The only explination I can think of is that it was a popular opinion at the time and that he wanted to blend in and look busy. All things I find scummy.
Really? My post literally says "maybe some votes will get this guy talking".
And yet my different attempts to understand why you thought a vote on a player who wasn't posting was any more likely to make them post than a prod from the moderator.
Ill concede that I misworded my accusation in post 177, but its still plain and present in 174, and again in 182. But I think my point still stands. The reasoning you keep using to justify the vote provides no benefit to the town. At the same time it has benefits to you if youre scum. That's why I think you are scummy.
my vote was on VeeGee before he was even prodded... So I'm not allowed to vote anyone for posting no content, unless he has posted within the last 24 hours. Is that what you're saying?
This argument is ridiculous.
