Mini 1685: BooneyToonz II - Looney Tunes

[Varsoon]

And the JK didn't know Sala was conf scum on D1?

This is that deflecting rubbish I was talking about.
TSO brings up legit points; BBT deflects to something unrelated or tangentially related.

Also, it's clear that BBT's pushing for a TSO lynch now that you say you're considering TSO scum.

[Pegasus30]

BBT, I don't know what made you change your mind from Salamence being scum D1 to pursuing other targets. You declare intent to hammer, then you call his claim fake, and then suddenly decide you want to lynch in the neighborhood, call Varsoon's Salamence vote bad and in general take a completely different direction to what you were doing earlier and nothing at that point is clear to me.

[Pegasus30]

And the JK didn't know Sala was conf scum on D1?

This is that deflecting rubbish I was talking about.
TSO brings up legit points; BBT deflects to something unrelated or tangentially related.

Also, it's clear that BBT's pushing for a TSO lynch now that you say you're considering TSO scum.

Who's scum with BBT?

[Pegasus30]

I haven't reached D2 yet but can someone give me a rundown of how the Salamence lynch occured? Did Mainez just counterclaim him and push his lynch or was it organic?

[Varsoon]

I'd put my votes on EPM or Massive, unless this is all some very laborious bus on TSO's part, but then he deserves to win the game, so EPM, really.

[Pegasus30]

Why EPM?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, I don't know what made you change your mind from Salamence being scum D1 to pursuing other targets. You declare intent to hammer, then you call his claim fake, and then suddenly decide you want to lynch in the neighborhood, call Varsoon's Salamence vote bad and in general take a completely different direction to what you were doing earlier and nothing at that point is clear to me.

I don't either.

My play this game has been really erratic and it's purely down to playing too many games - when this started I had 10 games running at the same time and I just got overwhelmed.

[Varsoon]

Don't like his play.
Don't like the sheeping of BBT.
Don't like the interaction between the scum and EPM.
Don't like EPM's votes.
EPM just gives me scum vibes hardcore, I guess.
Plus, BBT's been pushing this GOTTA LYNCH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD thing really hard, leading me to further believe my hood is all town.

[T S O]

The attempted 'hood paranoia means the hood is town. Bet on it.

[Pegasus30]

Around page 30, BBMolla posts are unlikely from scum so I'm more solid on this read.

@ Varsoon, you think scum would sheep his partner? What about EPM's interaction with Salamence was scummy?

[evilpacman18]

oh hey Pegasus. Make sure you catch the part where Mainez claims a JK on TSO the same night there was no kill, no reason for scum to no kill, and no reason for scum to try and kill TSO. I can't tell you why he hasn't been lynched yet. Scum are doing a good job of getting everyone to ignore the things they don't want town thinking about. (TSO being JK'd, Varsoon's fakeclaims being the scummiest shit, the importance of lynching in the neighborhood, etc.)

Also I haven't been sheeping BBT and I was the first one arguing the importance of lynching in the neighborhood, which is why a massive vote is not a bad call.

[T S O]

BBT, I don't know what made you change your mind from Salamence being scum D1 to pursuing other targets. You declare intent to hammer, then you call his claim fake, and then suddenly decide you want to lynch in the neighborhood, call Varsoon's Salamence vote bad and in general take a completely different direction to what you were doing earlier and nothing at that point is clear to me.

This is a great post, which I'm fairly sure I've talked about before. I don't remember BBT replying then and I don't expect him to give a convincing response now.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, wasn't the claimed JK and no-kill accounted for or am I trippin'?

Anyway.
Yes to the sheeping,
iirc there was awkward distance between the two.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, on the JK bit--Mainez was fairly sure that he stopped the kill on N1 by JK'ing TSO.
So either Mainez stopped TSO from performing a kill or
Mainez conf-town'd TSO by blocking a kill on him.

The argument for why they'd pick TSO over the IC has been made, too. :/

[Pegasus30]

Spoiler: Salamence's mega post

Reread Pt. 1

I decided to do an entire reread for yall because there is a lot of clutter to go through. First things first, I'm not going to bring up the topics of hoods/masonries. Its all just cluttered nonsense that isn't important until we see flips, so any read that involves the reasoning that "x is in a hood with x," I'm ignoring because its pointless to otherwise. Setup Specing isn't something we can do at this point either without OUTING MORE roles than we have already given scum. They already have neighbor WIFOM on town and knowledge of a JailKeeper, so maybe its best to actually scumhunt than spec right now.
The first thing to note rereading this thing is the argument that got the game going, the BBT wagon, which consisted of RVS votes from Aneninen, Dr.D, RC, BBB, and yeah, obviously it stopped after I (incorrectly) claimed a speedwagon L-2, when it was L-3 and well i got nothing about that, do as you will. But defending? Is it really defending? Because more and more I see it I don't see it as defending BBT because as I said earlier, I didn't have a read on BBT other than it suddenly picked up alot of votes, especially lackluster ones from BBT and RC, who both were my scumreads at that point, more on them later. Back to the game, if you look back from the time I claimed BBT wagon L-2, and my next post, nothing but boring fluff from PK and RC mainly, (a little bit of actually hunting between massive/BBT for what its worth. Dr. D asked me if the wagon (built a little too fast for my liking) was justified, and no its not. I personally think it still was a fast banwagon and 1-2 scum probably lulz their way into it. I'm willing to bet my life savings into saying the obviously annoying RC and the equally as annoying PK are not scum together for sure. Also the OMGUS from RC was cute because my vote is "Nonsense," and dumb (fluffy) justification of her vote by saying she catches scum all the time based on OMGUS, and frankly I don't believe it.

You know what, lets talk about RC right now, because RC's 77 posts (should have been more if not for V/LA), are soooo dull and anti productive. The first post from RC that actually has some non-RVS content (IMO) would be her TWENTY THIRD POST! #136, where she votes me. 24-30 are nothing. 31, votes varsoon because shes a troll, then an hour later votes me again. I call her out on it, and that for some reason indicates me being scum because RC wants to run around doing whatever she wants. Votes come in from Mainez and Varsoon, Mainez is chainsawing RC, and Varsoon is following the IC. Dr.D comes in with some trolling, and right after comes RC with another one of her dumb "watering down the fucking thread" posts that do nothing but make the game a pain in the ass to reread. IDK what to think about EPM's vote, but it bugs me and smells like an excuse to hop on the ML. PK, oh god PK, we will get to him last, but let me just say he has thrown games for town when I played the last time with him a few weeks ago. BBT ready to hammer just like that, showing how speedwagons work, but whatever, I out a PR, gg folks. Then we have some interaction from PK and BBT over the claim, which, idk, I tend to ignore PK doing things because hes annoying. PK then votes BBT and BBT votes me again, after 2 pages of arguing over the claim because... Mainez said so? WTF?

Then Anen goes into the masons/IC setup spec which is stupid because outting masons is pro-town, even if they are lying. YOU DONT LYNCH PRs UNLESS YOU HAVE A CC. THE FUCKING END. BBT thinks Mainez is JK, and if so, then you out and you get a mafia. I know that aint the case though, so why you think she is, I have no fucking clue. BBT goes out to ruin the game by outing hoods because fuck this game. BBB is dumb, who cares. EPM is dumb as fuck for unvoting and not voting a hood member even though he says he needs to deal with the hood situation (Because there is no such thing as a all-town hood). FOR FUCK SAKE THE NEXT PAGES ARE DUMB SHIT BY BBT/RC/PK ABOUT HOODS AND HOOD LYNCHING. THIS IS ANTI-TOWN AND SHOULD BE NOTED AS SUCH. FOR FUCK SAKE THIS GAME WILL HAVE 200 PAGES IF THIS DOESNT CHANGE FUCK. BBMolla goes over some spec himself that doesnt help anyone, but apparently that and his mason fakeclaim, which isn't stupid as I have seen it before, get him lolwagoned now, INCLUDING A NAKED VOTE FROM PK AND AN OMGUS FROM VARSOON OR BBT WTF!!!!!!! oh wait, he changed it to Molla, perfect.

Molla is town. End of story, no scum is gonna spend a shitload of time on meta'ing his fucking fakeclaim, and I said it before, I have NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER seen Molla freak the fuck out, and I have a cop guilty on his ass, and he still acted like he didn't give a fuck. Molla is town. End of story.
Mainez and PK still piss me off.

ZEB Molla vote, fuck man. Yeah, thats willing of a vote.
Even with town Molla on Varsoons wagon, just not feeling it.
EPM's scumread on Molla for calling everyone morons was dumb.

He's pretty intent on insisting that he wasn't defending BBT as opposed to increasing the certainty of his townread on BBT as scum usually do when they defend a townie so that makes me lean more towards BBT-scum.

Also, his insistence on policy-lynching RC makes RC pretty town.

[Pegasus30]

His certainty that BBMolla is town bolsters my townread on BBMolla a little more.

[Pegasus30]

Jailkeeper/Roleblocker's a pretty scum-sided role regardless.

This is one of the things that make me lean town on Varsoon. If Salamence was Varsoon's partner and he was trying to bus, he'd be more likely to use good reason like calling the claim fake (it was) rather than speculate about it being a real scum JK.

[Pegasus30]

Salamence, if you find yourself unable to keep your play game-related, you can replace. You don't seem particularly invested anyway.

Could potentially see a scum player asking his dead-weight partner to replace out so he can get a better one.

[evilpacman18]

The explanation is simple:

I actually rolecopped Mainez and he's not a Jailkeeper.
I agree, he needs to die now.

People probably don't believe that though.
So, for those people, I've presented the fact that my claim is very similar to Mainez's, pointing out their hypocrisy in believing Mainez's claim but not mine.

Sala is a Jailkeeper, but could be a scum jailkeeper, so I'm still iffy on that.

Guys remember when Varsoon tried to fakeclaim to protect Salamence? Good times.

[Varsoon]

That wasn't the goal of my fake-claim.
See, it's shit like this that makes me scum-read EPM.

[Pegasus30]

This chain of events doesn't make any sense from Salamence-town, unless I have grossly overestimated his ability as a mafia player.

VOTE: Salamence20

Why not?

[evilpacman18]

That wasn't the goal of my fake-claim.
See, it's shit like this that makes me scum-read EPM.

Oh yeah, Salamence was doomed anyway. It was to get Mainez lynched so you could actually land an NK,right?

[Varsoon]

Nope. Try again.
Also, Mainez claimed 2-shot anyway.
Furthermore, that concedes that TSO is town--in that circumstance, why would I be against a TSO lynch?

Jesus, scumslip harder EPM.
VOTE: EPM

[Pegasus30]

I knew you were CC'ing D1...

I knew it and you let Sala off the hook. What the fuck?

If you knew it, then why did you let him off the hook?

[evilpacman18]

Nope. Try again.
Also, Mainez claimed 2-shot anyway.
Furthermore, that concedes that TSO is town--in that circumstance, why would I be against a TSO lynch?

Jesus, scumslip harder EPM.
VOTE: EPM

Mainez are you a full jailkeeper?

yes

Idk what you mean about the TSO thing unless you're trying to misrep me saying "land an NK" as an admission that I think TSO was protected and not RB'd?? Which if so, lol.