Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:46 am

You are going back and forth. You heavily imply that I am a scum read and then proceed to call me a weak town read. You also DID imply your no vote was a reaction test twice, and then you jumped on Lane111 for 'townreading' me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:47 am

In post 887, Nachomamma8 wrote:I wouldn't have minded if he was lynched before he reacted because I thought he was a good bet for scum,

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:47 am

In post 900, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:You are going back and forth. You heavily imply that I am a scum read and then proceed to call me a weak town read. You also DID imply your no vote was a reaction test twice, and then you jumped on Lane111 for 'townreading' me.

Where did I say I was townreading you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:48 am

You were my strongest call for scum at the time. that doesn't mean my read on you was strong. I thought the push on you would be good for reactions. That doesn't make it a reaction test.

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:50 am

I voted Constance because he was my weakest town read

What was I, a weak town read or a strong scum read?

I am the only town player who is allowed to contradict himself over a dozen times within two pages. You're playing the panicked survivalist now.

Let the witchhunt begin! Cheers!

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:50 am

I thought the push on you would be good for reactions. That doesn't make it a reaction test.

Uh, yes it does.

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:52 am

Nacho, if you rly are town, you need to make a case on another player, bcus the more you defend yourself the more you look guilty.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:56 am

In post 298, KayP wrote:How did Ricastle come to the conclusion that the game is all-vanilla? This seems like inside information to me. I also don't get how he would know mafia didn't have pre-game talk... there's just a lot of info coming out of Ricastle that seems like maybe he assumed everyone knows because it's hard for him to separate himself from what he knows as mafia and what he should know as town.

I don't like this post; it seems like the overly naive "I'm not making any assumptions about the game but this person is making assumptions thus inside information!!" type of push that seem framed as a pseudo-townslip under the guise of pushing a scum case.

335 seems like a pretty genuine defense, though.

In post 583, massive wrote:Is it due to Tammy's reputation on-site compared to mine?

This particular frustration seemed town, as did a majority of his reactions surrounding elusive.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:56 am

In post 904, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
I voted Constance because he was my weakest town read

What was I, a weak town read or a strong scum read?

I am the only town player who is allowed to contradict himself over a dozen times within two pages. You're playing the panicked survivalist now.

Let the witchhunt begin! Cheers!

Weakest town read is a scum read.
Why would I vote a town read if I had scum reads?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:57 am

In post 905, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
I thought the push on you would be good for reactions. That doesn't make it a reaction test.

Uh, yes it does.

Acknowledging that their are benefits to your lynch other than the possibility of seeing you flipped doesn't mean the push is being made for those benefits alone.

Tammy · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:58 am

So, I'm not sure how I've lived this long without trying mango before, but it's pretty good. Also, apparently putting a flyer on the elevator I don't use is considered good enough notice that we won't be able to leave the garage!

But anyway, I just reread through metal sonic because I thought maybe nacho and bert were on to something there earlier, but yeah I have no clue how to read metal sonic. He's definitely not obvtown and it bugs me when people who don't obvtown and brag about how good their scum game is defend themselves on day one for being obvtown. (Please note: I'm not complaining about people calling themselves obvtown because hello! but I'm not seeing why here.)

massive · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:59 am

In post 893, Ricastle wrote:No, I'm voting you because you were vigorously pushing a deadline mislynch with no case.

Uh ... you sure seem awful certain that that was a mislynch. Like, "you italicized it" certain.

Tammy · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:04 am

This is one of the reasons I'm town reading the KayP/Massive slot. I had previously played with her in Bees - the game that Marquis modded, and I replaced in and correctly nailed Glork as scum. Didn't get him lynched and I eventually replaced out anyway, but this is what she said in the scum PT for that game regarding me after I replaced in:

Subject: [M-1688] (SCUM)BEES!!!

KayP wrote:"accidentally"

This Tammy girl seems pretty passionate and easily flustered. I'm not going to be mean to her but it seems possible that she may have a bit of a reaction... how many times did she say "I'm going swimming" only to come back and keep fighting?

If I can get her to argue stupid details with me and post novel-sized walls of content, people will get annoyed with both of us and ignore us which will kill any case she could possibly have on Glork.

This was her first scum game on site, and I think she doesn't have a whole lot of experience elsewhere, though she did say she played elsewhere. She won in her first scum game here as a full sweep, so I'm not sure that she would just replace out because someone offended her when she'd be able to argue with elusive and make it look like she was doing something. In fact, the way she argued with me in that game is what had me starting to think she was town. I mean the only reason she wouldn't would be if metal sonic/me/marquis would call her out on it, but I kinda don't think that's the case. I think she really was offended and just left, and why get so offended if she was scum when she could use it to argue silly points?

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:06 am

Enough with the town reads guys. This is D1. The only ppl who aren't town are the one's who you are scum reading.
I want to see Nacho make a scum case, and not a town case, bcus that is the only thing which might make me stop pushing his lynch.

Ricastle · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:08 am

Yeah, Massive, I am pretty certain.

lol, Nacho pseudo-pushing out of nowhere under pressure. Comical.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:09 am

In post 912, Tammy wrote:why get so offended if she was scum when she could use it to argue silly points?

:/
The replace-out seemed pretty solidly null to me. When people are pissed, a scum role PM is not going to make them any less pissed just because they're being given help to their wincondition.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:09 am

In post 914, Ricastle wrote:Yeah, Massive, I am pretty certain.

lol, Nacho pseudo-pushing out of nowhere under pressure. Comical.

Pseudo-pushing where?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:10 am

Additionally, what is pseudo-pushing supposed to be?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:11 am

Oh, I found something that looked vaguely scummy and pointed it out?

It's scummy to scumhunt when people are voting you for terrible reasons, Nacho, stop!!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:13 am

Actually, two questions:

1) Doesnt this look like KayP trying to use elusive's abrasiveness and dismissiveness (the two things she didn't like) to her advantage?

In post 335, KayP wrote:VOTE: elusive

I dislike the way you're trying to poke at me and throw poo at me.

1. I post a catch up post in which I illustrate what stuck out to me were my reads on Tammy and farside as town. I also said I found Metal Sonic's vote on Tammy suspicious.
2. I am specifically asked by lane on what I thought about him and elusive. I state that I didn't have much of a read on them and that I didn't remember any of elusive's posts that stuck out to me and that I had skimmed them.
3. elusive votes me, STATING the reason is to try and get a reaction and get me to "provide content".
4. I ask elusive what questions he has and what type of content he'd like from me.
5. elusive asks why I can't read the game and comment on what stands out to me. That is
exactly
what I did in #1.

Elusive's push on me isn't genuine. First off, if you're going to vote someone to pressure them into providing content, why would you
announce
that you're doing that? Second off, elusive isn't actually interested in content from me... he's pretending to be interested. If he was actually interested, then he would have known that I already made a post showing what stood out to me on my catch up had he read my posts... or, if he hadn't read the post, then he would've come back with an actual question/narrower frame of reference for his continued questioning of me. He didn't -- he just launched into a bunch of attacks against me (talking down to me as a newbie and implying I'm hungover) that had nothing to do with the game.

2) The reasons she replaced out were mostly due to elusive being a duck to her after the pronoun mistake. You really think that's alignment indicative?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:17 am

I reread elusive to see if maybe I was missing something (it seems like if I was misreading someone somewhere, it would be her), but I'm still ending up with a town read there. I couldn't find any of her scumgames, but her push on Tammy still does have good conviction and the way she talks about her being an easy target because people can make her crash and burn so seemed town, as did the pride she took in her meta reading ability (which additionally explains the conviction in the push on Tammy).

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:17 am

I am sick of this. Nacho is emasculating the game in order to save his hide. I see through the BS, this isn't scum hunting, but survivalism. Like, I am actually glad he is trying to make a case on KayP, but it is really weak and that just proves to me that he isn't concerned with catching scum. The game ends in a couple of hours, pls consolidate on a lynch guys. Right now you can either go after me, or you can go after Nacho, who right now appears to be post spamming in order to cover up his old scum slips.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:18 am

Rereading massive now that my reasons for townreading KayP are gone.

St Constantine the Hermit · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:19 am

Just stop m8. Anyone looking at this thread has to reread page 35 and decide if they want to lynch nacho or not. That is all we have time to discuss. It is to late to start up another wagon, especially one built on such a weak case.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:19 am

In post 921, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I am sick of this. Nacho is emasculating the game in order to save his hide. I see through the BS, this isn't scum hunting, but survivalism. Like, I am actually glad he is trying to make a case on KayP, but it is really weak and that just proves to me that he isn't concerned with catching scum. The game ends in a couple of hours, pls consolidate on a lynch guys. Right now you can either go after me, or you can go after Nacho, who right now appears to be post spamming in order to cover up his old scum slips.

I'm posting on a phone, which means making walls are more difficult than multiposting. I haven't scumslipped; I responded to your points against me earlier.