Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

[RadiantCowbells]

The vote on you was more of a vote off of Quaroath than a vote on you, if that's what you're asking.

[eventi]

It didn't start with me.

That's exactly why I call you opportunistic scum.
1. Wait for the easy mislynch wagon to appear.
2. Hop on it.
3. If someone questions you - just say "it wasn't me who started it!"
4. PROFIT!

My statement was not about my RC vote, it was about the pattern of you defending him so this isn't relevant to that discussion. So point #3 is invalid and your argument is invalid.

Little to no argument? I guess if you don't want to read it there's nothing I can do about it.

I've read your "arguments" I just don't find them strong enough for the vote.

So it's not "little or no argument" as you said, it's just that you disagree with it. So your logic in that case is breaking down too.

Spoiler: Whoa, TIMEZONES!!!

But that's not important. It's a red herring - the interesting bit was how you hadn't been posting for hours, and then come running 8 minutes after RadiantCowbells comes calling. Woof!

Yeah, timezones.
Surprisingly, not everyone lives in the NA.

Anyway, using timing as an argument in such a slow games like MS with people being busy IRL for large periods of time is just meh.

[Netherspite]

@eventi

You do not make any sense in that case.
"It didn't start with me"? Me defending

RadiantCowbells

wasn't started by you? Really? So what?

[Firebringer]

Okay Nether you are putting words into Eventi mouth.

[Netherspite]

Okay Nether you are putting words into Eventi mouth.

How exactly?

[eventi]

This whole doggy line of reasoning makes no sense.

If you think that we're scumpartners, why would we make it super obvious with our mutual townreads and "coming running in 8 minutes after RadiantCowbells comes calling."

And if we're both town, then how is us buddying up not a good thing.

And if you're just calling one of us town and the other scum, what's the point of this whole doggy business?

All I really did is ask the question and challenge his illogical responses. Fire jumped right on though, didn't he.

I'm coming around to the idea that you are town by getting into your mindset on those first few pages. I still think it makes no sense to move into serious votes when only TWO people had posted (you and fire) and I think you pushed it to nonsensical lengths and lashed out at anyone who disagreed with you, but I no longer think it was intended to confuse.

Assuming for the moment that you're town.

Nether's first post is a sheep of your vote. It's unusual to have two votes on one player that early. It's supposedly random, but you claim by that point to have been serious about Fire. I think he's buddying you from the beginning. He spends some time while you're away poking at players who claim scum in Thesp's RQ, and then returns when called (61/62) You already thought to bring him into your discussion of Fire, but there's hardly any reason it would be him you call to. I think you already thought he'd agree with you. I assumed at the time that you had played together before, but still find it weird that he posts so quickly.

Nether is the first to call someone town (83), and it's you and Alchemist. Also "YOU ARE TOWN" from 85
111 He votes Fire in response to Fire voting you.
130 He appeals to Quaroath after he votes you.
134 He calls your wagon scumdriven after I vote you.
136 Here's a trademark Nether argument defending you: Four weak points with no basis in reality supposedly adding up to a logical conclusion.

Netherspite really hasn't done anything but defend you and defend his silly arguments defending you

Again, I'm not claiming scum team, I'm just saying that Nether is following you like a puppy. If you're town, he's manipulating you and you should distance yourself.

I remember in my first scum game on this site when I noticed a townblock between Candillan and Ravenpaw and to break it up my strategy for a long time was to do exactly what he's doing now; spinning a mutual townread that formed a townbloc and started pushing lynches into something manipulative, and I eventually won by making Candillan vote Ravenpaw.

I like the Eventi wagon.

VOTE: Eventi

That's a lovely anecdote, but a weak analogy. That's a popular vote though.

[eventi]

@eventi

You do not make any sense in that case.
"It didn't start with me"? Me defending

RadiantCowbells

wasn't started by you? Really? So what?

I'm starting to think you're incapable of logical discussion

[Netherspite]

@eventi

You do not make any sense in that case.
"It didn't start with me"? Me defending

RadiantCowbells

wasn't started by you? Really? So what?

I'm starting to think you're incapable of logical discussion

You're either completely insane or forgetting what you just said.
Care to explain what did you mean here:

eventi

I see nothing wrong with working together and defending someone who I townread and who is at the risk of being mislynched by the opportunistic scum like you.

It didn't start with me.

If this is not "his wagon didn't start with me" and not "defending him didn't start with me" then it should be something completely insane and weird.
I am losing the flow of your 'logical discussion'.

[Netherspite]

Actually I am starting to think we're reading two completely different games because I really can't see your points (

eventi

and

Firebringer

) and you seem to be really not having an idea of what I'm talking about.

[eventi]

@eventi

You do not make any sense in that case.
"It didn't start with me"? Me defending

RadiantCowbells

wasn't started by you? Really? So what?

I'm starting to think you're incapable of logical discussion

You're either completely insane or forgetting what you just said.
Care to explain what did you mean here:

eventi

I see nothing wrong with working together and defending someone who I townread and who is at the risk of being mislynched by the opportunistic scum like you.

It didn't start with me.

If this is not "his wagon didn't start with me" and not "defending him didn't start with me" then it should be something completely insane and weird.
I am losing the flow of your 'logical discussion'.

I meant the defending of RC didn't start with defending him against me. Not the wagon, which was the straw man you initially argued against. You said "So What" if it didn't start with me, but your argument was that it was OK to defend against scum like me. I was pointing out that it wasn't just me that you defended Radiant against.

I say you're incapable of logical discussion because you always seem to argue some point I'm not making.

You always say something, though. Unfortunately for you it's always something irrelevant to the argument.

[TheDominator37]

Nether and eventi are looking like scum buddies VOTE: nether

[Netherspite]

@eventi

Well, you phrased it the way I couldn't understand correctly.

Anyway, I never said "to defend against you who are scum". I said "to defend against scum like you" where "scum like you" is a list including other players.
Also, this does not change the fact that your jump on the wagon was opportunistic.

[Netherspite]

Nether and eventi are looking like scum buddies VOTE: nether

Never heard more funny jokes.

[eventi]

Nether and eventi are looking like scum buddies VOTE: nether

Never heard more funny jokes.

I finally agree with you

[eventi]

VOTE: Netherspite I had intended to vote at the end of 201 but just noticed that it was cut off when I went to go count votes... Reasons are all over this page.

[eventi]

Nether and eventi are looking like scum buddies VOTE: nether

Though I agree with it, this vote is insane. TheDominator37 is clearly just jumping from wagon to wagon

[eventi]

@Quaroath what is your read on Radiant?
You think that Nether and him would make it so obvious they were scum buddies?
I mean showing buddy relations this early seems unlikely but who knows.

Keeping vote on RC though, We can lynch Nether tomorrow if RC flips mafia.

Meh. I think RC is tryhard town. She's NOT worth lynching right now simply because she is movign the game. She'll catch herself up later on in the game if shes scum.

She's not a good D1 lynch at all.

That said, I don't look for buddy combo's day one. I don't think it's worth exploration before the first flip. I'm aware that's not common, but trying to tie people together D1 has consistently in the post caused me to make major mistakes and I've lost town games simply by doing that.

Mostly because I'm aware I can be manipulated later on if I start talking about my tie-ins early.

I think this is my favorite post of the game thusfar. Townread on Quaroath, although when I'm still tripping up on the name in my head - it's like reading Dostoyevsky

[Netherspite]

Reading "Dostoyevsky" is easy
For a native speaker at least.

Anyway,

TheDominator37

is not making any sense since the beginning.
His last post actually makes me feel a bit better about you.
Not ready to move my vote though.
Need to re-read couple of ISOs.

[eventi]

Reading "Dostoyevsky" is easy
For a native speaker at least.

Anyway,

TheDominator37

is not making any sense since the beginning.
His last post actually makes me feel a bit better about you.
Not ready to move my vote though.
Need to re-read couple of ISOs.

I wish I could read it in Russian. Stop agreeing with me, it's scary!!

[Netherspite]

I see nothing wrong in agreeing with thoughts I like.

[eventi]

touché

[Alchemist21]

@Dominator, care to explain your scumreads?

I may have been scumreading RC partly for playstyle. There are still parts of her early play that don't add up, and I still have a mild scumread on the slot, but I want to engage some other players for a while.

VOTE: Duppin

Where is this guy?

[Thesp]

Sorry for my absence today, I've been sick.

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Are you saying that I'm willfully

ignoring

something in my argument; that I'm being intentionally misleading?

When there have been a few pages of material, and the

only

thing posted by a player jumping in is a case and vote on the leading wagon, it gives me pause.

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I'm thinking TheDominator37 is scum. I don't like #210.

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Meh. I think RC is tryhard town. She's NOT worth lynching right now simply because she is movign the game. She'll catch herself up later on in the game if shes scum.

She's not a good D1 lynch at all.

That said, I don't look for buddy combo's day one. I don't think it's worth exploration before the first flip. I'm aware that's not common, but trying to tie people together D1 has consistently in the post caused me to make major mistakes and I've lost town games simply by doing that.

Mostly because I'm aware I can be manipulated later on if I start talking about my tie-ins early.

I agree SO MUCH with this post, save the bit about not finding buddies D1.

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I like the Eventi wagon.

:hifive:

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...but I want to engage some other players for a while.

VOTE: Duppin

Where is this guy?

I approve of this! At the same time, it feels like you're looking for a way off the RadiantCowbells wagon in a discreet way. Why vote Duppin over Sword Master?

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Current favorites for scum: Eventis, TheDominator37, Sword Master. Alchemist21 gets an Honorable Mention.

[duppin]

@Dominator, care to explain your scumreads?

I may have been scumreading RC partly for playstyle. There are still parts of her early play that don't add up, and I still have a mild scumread on the slot, but I want to engage some other players for a while.

VOTE: Duppin

Where is this guy?

I am here.

I still believe RC is town and will not join that train. As previously stated I believe that was a scum train, so I'd like to look at the people who voted on her. (Alchemist, Firebringer, eventi and TheDominator.
I find eventi fairly suspicious, but the most interesting person to me was TheDominator and I was going to vote on him because of this:

This is the first game ever that I have had no reads this far

Then when the train on RC forms, he votes on him:

I'm going with who I think is most scummy atm
VOTE: rad

But then said something that made me reconsider.

Nether and eventi are looking like scum buddies VOTE: nether

He calls out eventi, the other person I find suspicious. I am not sure I like the vote on Nether though, I would have prefered if we had voted on eventi.

I believe there is a scum between eventi and TheDominator, but that is mostly because I townread RC. If RC isn't town, it obviously doesn't matter, but I have a hard time believing only town voted on her if she is.

I am also surprised you only called me out Alchemist, considering PMysterious has less posts than me and said 2 days that he would read through the thread, yet hasn't posted anything since that.

Anyway, I have Alchemist and RC as town and Firebringer is leaning town.

[duppin]

Sorry I am on my phone so not entirely sure the post makes a lot of sense. I had a lot of trouble with the quoting.